2019 season speculation including trade ideas

[sunsbg]

The schedule in January is weak and with Ayton back and hopefully everybody healthy I can see the team raising in the standings.

Ty not looking good at all is disappointing. The bench needs someone to create for all these shooters. Unfortunately Okobo and Carter are not any better when it comes to playmaking.

[King4Day]

The schedule in January is weak and with Ayton back and hopefully everybody healthy I can see the team raising in the standings.

Ty not looking good at all is disappointing. The bench needs someone to create for all these shooters. Unfortunately Okobo and Carter are not any better when it comes to playmaking.

I agree about Jerome, but he was unfairly thrown into the fire by Williams. I still am trying to understand why Carter isn't playing anymore. I know he's not great, but a spark plug goes a long way. His energy really carried to the team and fans.

[King4Day]

I would like to see coach alter the lineup a bit. Start Bridges for defense and bring Oubre off the bench for some energy.
I realize Ayton is returning soon but he can't wait any longer to make a change.

[bwgood77]

As someone who's watched a lot of Kris Dunn, I'll say that he most definitely is a great defender but he ****ing SUCKS at offense. It was immediately apparent about 5 minutes into his first game that he was a huge bust. Furious that Thibs took him with the #5 pick.

Yeah, all these guys people pine for, they don't see their weaknesses or contributions to bad teams. We just amplify weaknesses of our own guys. Still need continuity with Ayton back and even all of December to fully integrate him.

Thank God the bottom of the west is sub 500 after the 6 seed and not like last year or we'd be in trouble for the playoffs.

Of course the Suns STILL have a better record than most here projected, and that's without Ayton for 23 games or a backup C for 9 games.

[bwgood77]

Suns by minutes played: RPM rank

Booker: 53
Oubre: 242
Saric: 105
Rubio: 20
Kaminsky: 371
Mikal: 175
Cam: 201
Tyler Johnson: 397
Baynes: 34
Carter: 98
Diallo: 246

Thoughts: Frank is getting way too many minutes in a role he sucks at. Rubio and Baynes missing so much time has hurt a lot.

Yeah, Rubio, Baynes and Booker BY FAR our best players and when Mikal is on from 3 he is 4th and maybe 4th anyway. Not including Ayton of course, who will probably be 4th to start and hopefully move up from there if he can block shots, play solid D, make good passes and hit 3s.

RPM relies a lot for offense on passing and 3 pt shooting and somewhat adapts to game. I even tweeted the creator, Engelman to ask why Ayton was negative on offense last year, but saw guys like Jokic 1st or very high and even a guy like Vucevic high (though he was a super stud last year with passing, 3s, etc and always among the best rebounders) and was an all star, and he said passing and 3s are a big part of effectiveness on overall team offense, making others better and opening up floor for others with floor stretching ability.

[bwgood77]

Suns need upgrades at back up pg and a real starting pf.
without rubio the offense looks lost.
carter, johnson and jerome are not good enough.

Okobo could become a solid backup PG and I can't give up on Jerome. The other guys are as good as gone after this season. I wouldn't mind drafting one either but PF is a bigger need.

[Dual]

Any good defensive PFs with some 3pt? I count Ibaka out this season, they will not trade anybody that gave them the champ.
Maybe at the end the Aaron Gordon sign is the one that fits more, but I doubt they trade him.

[RiRuHoops]

Any good defensive PFs with some 3pt? I count Ibaka out this season, they will not trade anybody that gave them the champ.
Maybe at the end the Aaron Gordon sign is the one that fits more, but I doubt they trade him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=rh7b6wz

we send a protected FRP to Spurs as well.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I like some advanced stats but I think RPM might be the worst one out there.

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[bwgood77]

I like some advanced stats but I think RPM might be the worst one out there.

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Why is that? I mean there are certainly better ones but once you know how it is calculated you can understand why people are ranked the way there are.

Do you not agree that Rubio then Baynes then Booker are the top 3 impact in that order? Of course Booker would be #1 if had avg D but other advanced stats show that negates most all of the offense. And then Tyler Johnson the worst followed by Kaminsky?

ORPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team offensive performance, measured in points scored per 100 offensive possessions

DRPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team defensive performance, measured in points allowed per 100 defensive possessions

RPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors

[Revived]

I like some advanced stats but I think RPM might be the worst one out there.

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RPM is a good metric but the problem is they released it way too early. That’s way there’s so many random players in the top 40 like Valentine, McCollum, Brunson, Wood, Matthews, Graham, Chiozza, McLemore etc.

They should’ve waited till late January at least then there’s way less outliers.

[Desertfox]

Any good defensive PFs with some 3pt? I count Ibaka out this season, they will not trade anybody that gave them the champ.
Maybe at the end the Aaron Gordon sign is the one that fits more, but I doubt they trade him.

You mean like say Brandon Clarke...?

[WeekapaugGroove]

I like some advanced stats but I think RPM might be the worst one out there.

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Why is that? I mean there are certainly better ones but once you know how it is calculated you can understand why people are ranked the way there are.

Do you not agree that Rubio then Baynes then Booker are the top 3 impact in that order? Of course Booker would be #1 if had avg D but other advanced stats show that negates most all of the offense. And then Tyler Johnson the worst followed by Kaminsky?

ORPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team offensive performance, measured in points scored per 100 offensive possessions

DRPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team defensive performance, measured in points allowed per 100 defensive possessions

RPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors

I get how it's calculated and don't have any major problems with the suns rankings... It's just the one that every year I look at and there's folks both high and low on the list across the league where it just doesn't pass the eye test.

Honestly I don't really care for any of the all encompassing measures. So much noise with player combos and even how guys are used. I like things like shooting zone percentages and some of the more singular measures. Maybe one day some all in one stat will be refined and work.
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[bwgood77]

I like some advanced stats but I think RPM might be the worst one out there.

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Why is that? I mean there are certainly better ones but once you know how it is calculated you can understand why people are ranked the way there are.

Do you not agree that Rubio then Baynes then Booker are the top 3 impact in that order? Of course Booker would be #1 if had avg D but other advanced stats show that negates most all of the offense. And then Tyler Johnson the worst followed by Kaminsky?

ORPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team offensive performance, measured in points scored per 100 offensive possessions

DRPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team defensive performance, measured in points allowed per 100 defensive possessions

RPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors

I get how it's calculated and don't have any major problems with the suns rankings... It's just the one that every year I look at and there's folks both high and low on the list across the league where it just doesn't pass the eye test.

Honestly I don't really care for any of the all encompassing measures. So much noise with player combos and even how guys are used. I like things like shooting zone percentages and some of the more singular measures. Maybe one day some all in one stat will be refined and work.
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I think it's mostly useful to use within each team specifically rather than entire rankings. Like Denzel Valentine for example, maybe he is up there because the Bulls have been extremely bad when he is not on the floor and when he is out there the team just functions a lot better as a whole. It's less of an individual stat as for their personal production but how their team and teammates play when they are out there, combined with how their own play....and also takes into account opponents so those who do well against scrub units don't look better than they should.

I don't think it's great but I think when a team plays a lot better when a player is on the court it can tell a lot, and people mention the raw +/- quite a bit, but RPM adds in other factors and all the games played to make it more useful.

RAPM and perhaps PIPM may be a little better.

[alamin330]

Suns need to figure out a way to trade for Bertrans. He would make us a. Playoff lock and maybe 4 or 5 seed

[RiRuHoops]

Another good defensive big on the market: D. Favors.

Our usual package of TJ and Dario on the table from me.

Favors is a tough mofo able to guard the paint and on the perimeter. Don't sleep on the job Jones

[Saberestar]

Suns need to figure out a way to trade for Bertrans. He would make us a. Playoff lock and maybe 4 or 5 seed

He is a nice 3p specialist, but I don't get the fascination. He doesn't help at all in other areas.

He is gonna get paid a lot next season as a stretch PF in his prime. He is an UFA. You know that he is not a rebounder, finisher, can't create, below average defender ...I mean, he is too limited so I think he is an important backup player at most.

I would like him at his current salary ($7M). Over $10M per year I would prefer other options.

[Revived]

You know that he is not a rebounder, finisher, can't create, below average defender ...I mean, he is too limited so I think he is an important backup player at most.

All this can be used to describe Saric (who is also not quite the shooter that Bertans is) yet many feel he is the optimal starter for the Suns at PF.

[Saberestar]

You know that he is not a rebounder, finisher, can't create, below average defender ...I mean, he is too limited so I think he is an important backup player at most.

All this can be used to describe Saric (who is also not quite the shooter that Bertans is) yet many feel he is the optimal starter for the Suns at PF.

Saric is a worse 3p shooter. Other than that, he is better than Bertans at every other aspect of the game. Both are bad finishers around the rim, I don't even need to look stats.

Yeah, Saric is not extremely well at anything, but that does not mean that he is not better all around than Bertans.

He is playing against starters all season long, Bertans is coming from the bench. And Saric is younger and clearly the better passer and rebounder. He plays harder IMO too.

[alamin330]

It won’t matter once Ayton is back. He’s going to dominate the boards anyway. You spread the floor with Bertans and cam there’s no doubling booker or ayton