The Draft Thread: Ayton Vs Doncic 1

[JMac1]

Rudy Gay 4 seasons in Sac 19.3 pt 2.8 asst 6 rebs 1.3 stls 83%FT .499 eFG% 49.4% 2pt 34.7 3pt% 46.4 % FG%
jayso Tat 1 season in Bos 13.9pt 1.6 asst 5 rebs 1.0 stls 82.6%F .538eFG% 49.2% 2pt 43.7 3pt% 47.5% FG%

.

[bwgood77]

That makes Tatum look way better. That efg% 3 pt%?

[thamadkant]

Tatum is a great

But as Carmelo has proven.... being a scorer and not much else becomes a burden down the line. How amazing was Melo when he was in his early to mid 20s?

Tatum is a very good shooter and the only thing that prevents him from being an absolute star down the line would be if he doesnt develop other aspects of his game. Sure, he could be a Dirk Nowitski type as well, someone who is a great scorer but stretches the floor by being an elite 3pt shooter... but Dirk was 7 feet and that made him very hard to matchup with.

I think Tatum can become better than Rudy Gay purely because he is being coached properly and is learning to play within a team environment... but I think he needs to become a better play maker for others... his defense is adequate and will improve so...




Josh Jackson has him beat in mobility, athleticism and overall-all potential... but Josh needs to become a decent shooter. A sub 65% Free throw shooter is not good enough as he draws a lot fouls actually... so he's missing out on close to 4-5 points a game by just being below average at that bit.


The thing is.... with the way Josh has improved and has shown quick learning ability... and what looks to be a high motor and work ethic... I think he has several notches that he will improved on by the time he's in his mid 20s.

Tatum and Brown has also shown how FIT and opportunity are VERY critical in development... lets not even mention Mitchell.... if Mitchell was off the bench with 16 mins a game, I dont think he'd be as good as he is... he had to quickly adopt an alpha mentality to prove he deserves the minutes he's getting and the team looks up to him to contribute....



Fultz is very intriguing and I would be very interested in making a move for him.... Pick 16 and Unprotected pick next year would be my offer with maybe Chriss attached.

[King4Day]

If it wasn't posted, here are picks 1 and 2 during Woj's mock draft. It's good to hear the brief analysis on why.

#1 Phoenix takes Ayton: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=23644963
#2 Sacramento takes Doncic: http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/23644987

[Gorilla Warfare]

I'm really not trying to hate on Doncic, but I would honestly even consider Bagley and Bamba over him right now. Ayton to me is just the clear choice here. I think NBADraft.net has pretty accurate player comparisons for these kids.

Ayton - David Robinson
Bagley - Chris Bosh
Bamba - Rudy Gobert
Doncic - Hedo Turkoglu

It also doesn't help that Doncic is already acting like Bogdan Bogdanovic before he even gets drafted. Granted if we drafted him he would jump ship and play here right away, but saying he is considering staying if any other teams draft him is pretty childish.

[AtheJ415]

The seriousness of Bender's non-aggressiveness leads me to think he probably wouldn't have succeeded. I'm also not sure Chriss dominated college. Peters did and so did Ulis, not sure about Chriss

Yeah, Marquese averaged like 13 points and 5 whole rebounds...

Granted he did it as a young freshman but still, by college standards, not really dominant

He was literally one of the top freshmen in the program's history. He finished the year shooting 44% from 3 in his last 15 games. He was really good in college. Had he returned he is likely pre-season 1st team all conference.

[Fo-Real]

Yeah, Marquese averaged like 13 points and 5 whole rebounds...

Granted he did it as a young freshman but still, by college standards, not really dominant

He was literally one of the top freshmen in the program's history. He finished the year shooting 44% from 3 in his last 15 games. He was really good in college. Had he returned he is likely pre-season 1st team all conference.

So coach him up and see if he regains form.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Yeah, Marquese averaged like 13 points and 5 whole rebounds...

Granted he did it as a young freshman but still, by college standards, not really dominant

He was literally one of the top freshmen in the program's history. He finished the year shooting 44% from 3 in his last 15 games. He was really good in college. Had he returned he is likely pre-season 1st team all conference.

Are you working from the theory that had Chriss not been drafted, he wouldn't have spent the summer of 2017 working on his dad bod?

[Bob8]

I'm really not trying to hate on Doncic, but I would honestly even consider Bagley and Bamba over him right now. Ayton to me is just the clear choice here. I think NBADraft.net has pretty accurate player comparisons for these kids.

Ayton - David Robinson
Bagley - Chris Bosh
Bamba - Rudy Gobert
Doncic - Hedo Turkoglu

It also doesn't help that Doncic is already acting like Bogdan Bogdanovic before he even gets drafted. Granted if we drafted him he would jump ship and play here right away, but saying he is considering staying if any other teams draft him is pretty childish.

David Robinson vs. Hedo comparison is pretty childish too. And who is saying he only wants to go in Phoenix? Suns are only the best place from bottom end off the teams. I guess he likes something like 20+ teams more than Suns. I really hope he drops and go in better team in the west and enables future matches Robinson vs. Hedo. It should be fun, not necessarily for Suns fans though.

[Superhuman]

I'm really not trying to hate on Doncic, but I would honestly even consider Bagley and Bamba over him right now. Ayton to me is just the clear choice here. I think NBADraft.net has pretty accurate player comparisons for these kids.

Ayton - David Robinson
Bagley - Chris Bosh
Bamba - Rudy Gobert
Doncic - Hedo Turkoglu

It also doesn't help that Doncic is already acting like Bogdan Bogdanovic before he even gets drafted. Granted if we drafted him he would jump ship and play here right away, but saying he is considering staying if any other teams draft him is pretty childish.

David Robinson vs. Hedo comparison is pretty childish too. And who is saying he only wants to go in Phoenix? Suns are only the best place from bottom end off the teams. I guess he likes something like 20+ teams more than Suns. I really hope he drops and go in better team in the west and enables future matches Robinson vs. Hedo. It should be fun, not necessarily for Suns fans though.

No worries, that slow mo step back won't work on JJ

[mabundo_nagumbe]

I'm really not trying to hate on Doncic, but I would honestly even consider Bagley and Bamba over him right now. Ayton to me is just the clear choice here. I think NBADraft.net has pretty accurate player comparisons for these kids.

Ayton - David Robinson
Bagley - Chris Bosh
Bamba - Rudy Gobert
Doncic - Hedo Turkoglu

It also doesn't help that Doncic is already acting like Bogdan Bogdanovic before he even gets drafted. Granted if we drafted him he would jump ship and play here right away, but saying he is considering staying if any other teams draft him is pretty childish.

David Robinson vs. Hedo comparison is pretty childish too. And who is saying he only wants to go in Phoenix? Suns are only the best place from bottom end off the teams. I guess he likes something like 20+ teams more than Suns. I really hope he drops and go in better team in the west and enables future matches Robinson vs. Hedo. It should be fun, not necessarily for Suns fans though.

No worries, that slow mo step back won't work on JJ

riiiiiiiight. The same could have been said for Hardens stepback, but as Jrue Holiday pointed out, we know he is gonna do it, but you can never know when. If you jump randomly, he is just gonna go around you or draw a foul.

for the upper comparison, I would only say it is correct, if David Robinson is Ayton's ceiling, and Hedo is Luka's floor.

[Superhuman]

David Robinson vs. Hedo comparison is pretty childish too. And who is saying he only wants to go in Phoenix? Suns are only the best place from bottom end off the teams. I guess he likes something like 20+ teams more than Suns. I really hope he drops and go in better team in the west and enables future matches Robinson vs. Hedo. It should be fun, not necessarily for Suns fans though.

No worries, that slow mo step back won't work on JJ

riiiiiiiight. The same could have been said for Hardens stepback, but as Jrue Holiday pointed out, we know he is gonna do it, but you can never know when. If you jump randomly, he is just gonna go around you or draw a foul.

for the upper comparison, I would only say it is correct, if David Robinson is Ayton's ceiling, and Hedo is Luka's floor.

I know, it was a joke buddy. Just playful banter.

[JMac1]

That makes Tatum look way better. That efg% 3 pt%?

The stls Reb and assts makes him look way worse!

[JMac1]

Tatum is a great

But as Carmelo has proven.... being a scorer and not much else becomes a burden down the line. How amazing was Melo when he was in his early to mid 20s?

Tatum is a very good shooter and the only thing that prevents him from being an absolute star down the line would be if he doesnt develop other aspects of his game. Sure, he could be a Dirk Nowitski type as well, someone who is a great scorer but stretches the floor by being an elite 3pt shooter... but Dirk was 7 feet and that made him very hard to matchup with.

I think Tatum can become better than Rudy Gay purely because he is being coached properly and is learning to play within a team environment... but I think he needs to become a better play maker for others... his defense is adequate and will improve so...




Josh Jackson has him beat in mobility, athleticism and overall-all potential... but Josh needs to become a decent shooter. A sub 65% Free throw shooter is not good enough as he draws a lot fouls actually... so he's missing out on close to 4-5 points a game by just being below average at that bit.


The thing is.... with the way Josh has improved and has shown quick learning ability... and what looks to be a high motor and work ethic... I think he has several notches that he will improved on by the time he's in his mid 20s.

Tatum and Brown has also shown how FIT and opportunity are VERY critical in development... lets not even mention Mitchell.... if Mitchell was off the bench with 16 mins a game, I dont think he'd be as good as he is... he had to quickly adopt an alpha mentality to prove he deserves the minutes he's getting and the team looks up to him to contribute....



Fultz is very intriguing and I would be very interested in making a move for him.... Pick 16 and Unprotected pick next year would be my offer with maybe Chriss attached.

Of course Tatum can be better, however he average 4 Rebs and 2 Assist per game in the Eastern Conference Finals. But hey, he is Jayson Tatum and he has a great narrative playing for the Celts and everyone bought it, thus, his averaging 4 rebs and 2 assts in 40 mins per game is overlooked....lmao! People are such sheep.

Imagine anyone else just being a good shooter. Heck he ain’t even a scorer yet. 17.8 pts on the Finals. It’s dumbfounding, the hype for this guy.

[jcsunsfan]

I'm really not trying to hate on Doncic, but I would honestly even consider Bagley and Bamba over him right now. Ayton to me is just the clear choice here. I think NBADraft.net has pretty accurate player comparisons for these kids.

Ayton - David Robinson
Bagley - Chris Bosh
Bamba - Rudy Gobert
Doncic - Hedo Turkoglu

It also doesn't help that Doncic is already acting like Bogdan Bogdanovic before he even gets drafted. Granted if we drafted him he would jump ship and play here right away, but saying he is considering staying if any other teams draft him is pretty childish.

I am all for Ayton at #1 but two of those comparisons are really silly to me. Bagley is so much more mobile than Bosh. And Doncic and Turkoglu, yikes. Doncic and Joe Johnson would be closer iMO. I cannot quite come up with a comparison for Bagley. He is like a 6-11 Shawn Marion (without the defense). He kind of a cross between Marion and Amare.

[Sunsdeuce]

Read on Twitter

Take it for what it’s worth. But I think Ryan listens to this.

[Bob8]

I'm really not trying to hate on Doncic, but I would honestly even consider Bagley and Bamba over him right now. Ayton to me is just the clear choice here. I think NBADraft.net has pretty accurate player comparisons for these kids.

Ayton - David Robinson
Bagley - Chris Bosh
Bamba - Rudy Gobert
Doncic - Hedo Turkoglu

It also doesn't help that Doncic is already acting like Bogdan Bogdanovic before he even gets drafted. Granted if we drafted him he would jump ship and play here right away, but saying he is considering staying if any other teams draft him is pretty childish.

David Robinson vs. Hedo comparison is pretty childish too. And who is saying he only wants to go in Phoenix? Suns are only the best place from bottom end off the teams. I guess he likes something like 20+ teams more than Suns. I really hope he drops and go in better team in the west and enables future matches Robinson vs. Hedo. It should be fun, not necessarily for Suns fans though.

No worries, that slow mo step back won't work on JJ

Yes, Suns and JJ showed incredible good D. this year.

[Mjee]

Read on Twitter

Take it for what it’s worth. But I think Ryan listens to this.

Yes McD will listen but at the end of the day its Ryan's call. TBH Koko has little pull because he's been here 2 seconds. This is McD's baby and he will do what he sees fit..... and that is drafting Ayton

[darealjuice]

God I can't wait until the draft is over, maybe if we're lucky Bob will stop jumping to Doncic's rescue every single time someone here posts something negative about him.

[Bob8]

God I can't wait until the draft is over, maybe if we're lucky Bob will stop jumping to Doncic's rescue every single time someone here posts something negative about him.

You rather use all the luck on hope that Ayton will be 50% of Mr. Robinson. Because hype is getting totally out of the hands at the moment. And if I were you, I would hope that Doncic’s ceiling isn’t Hedo. Because if white, unathletic Euro, whose ceiling is Hedo, is even in conversation for #1 pick, things don’t look too good for Ayton either.