2019 season speculation including trade ideas

[Ghost of Kleine]

Any good defensive PFs with some 3pt? I count Ibaka out this season, they will not trade anybody that gave them the champ.
Maybe at the end the Aaron Gordon sign is the one that fits more, but I doubt they trade him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=rh7b6wz

we send a protected FRP to Spurs as well.

I Gotta say, I like this trade. Nice work man. Onlybthing I'd add is in making sure that the first round pick is lottery protected and hopefully a bit further out , like 2023 or 2024 maybe with descending protections of course.....lol. But still a very nice trade.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Any good defensive PFs with some 3pt? I count Ibaka out this season, they will not trade anybody that gave them the champ.
Maybe at the end the Aaron Gordon sign is the one that fits more, but I doubt they trade him.

You mean like say Brandon Clarke...?

still a big ouch!!! on that one!

[lilfishi22]

Suns by minutes played: RPM rank

Booker: 53
Oubre: 242
Saric: 105
Rubio: 20
Kaminsky: 371
Mikal: 175
Cam: 201
Tyler Johnson: 397
Baynes: 34
Carter: 98
Diallo: 246

Thoughts: Frank is getting way too many minutes in a role he sucks at. Rubio and Baynes missing so much time has hurt a lot.

Frank is getting minutes because he has to with Ayton out and Baynes injured the past couple of weeks so I expect his minutes to go down. Oubre is the real head scratcher. I get that he brings a level of dynamism on both ends of the court that no other player really is capable of bringing but he's just really inconsistent in his impact and at times just hurts the team. I'd like to see more balance in minutes between Bridges and Oubre. Bridges doesn't bring the scoring ability of Oubre but he's more measured, more under control and he plays smart, especially on the defensive end

[Wilber85]

Any good defensive PFs with some 3pt? I count Ibaka out this season, they will not trade anybody that gave them the champ.
Maybe at the end the Aaron Gordon sign is the one that fits more, but I doubt they trade him.

You mean like say Brandon Clarke...?

still a big ouch!!! on that one!

So whats our record with Brandon Clarke?

[RiRuHoops]

Suns by minutes played: RPM rank

Booker: 53
Oubre: 242
Saric: 105
Rubio: 20
Kaminsky: 371
Mikal: 175
Cam: 201
Tyler Johnson: 397
Baynes: 34
Carter: 98
Diallo: 246

Thoughts: Frank is getting way too many minutes in a role he sucks at. Rubio and Baynes missing so much time has hurt a lot.

Frank is getting minutes because he has to with Ayton out and Baynes injured the past couple of weeks so I expect his minutes to go down. Oubre is the real head scratcher. I get that he brings a level of dynamism on both ends of the court that no other player really is capable of bringing but he's just really inconsistent in his impact and at times just hurts the team. I'd like to see more balance in minutes between Bridges and Oubre. Bridges doesn't bring the scoring ability of Oubre but he's more measured, more under control and he plays smart, especially on the defensive end

But would be need Oubre once Ayton bring scoring and rebounding to the table ? Currently we are lightweight in those so Kelly makes sense in the lineup.

[bwgood77]

You mean like say Brandon Clarke...?

still a big ouch!!! on that one!

So whats our record with Brandon Clarke?

Quite a bit better because our defense wouldn't be a mess. And he would also be able to score around the rim unlike Kaminsky and Saric, since he's one of the most efficient guys in the NBA, even as a rookie. Then can also spread the floor, shooting 3s at 50%.

And your other scrub from the previous year talk about the draft, Doncic, might be helpful too.

[lilfishi22]

Suns by minutes played: RPM rank

Booker: 53
Oubre: 242
Saric: 105
Rubio: 20
Kaminsky: 371
Mikal: 175
Cam: 201
Tyler Johnson: 397
Baynes: 34
Carter: 98
Diallo: 246

Thoughts: Frank is getting way too many minutes in a role he sucks at. Rubio and Baynes missing so much time has hurt a lot.

Frank is getting minutes because he has to with Ayton out and Baynes injured the past couple of weeks so I expect his minutes to go down. Oubre is the real head scratcher. I get that he brings a level of dynamism on both ends of the court that no other player really is capable of bringing but he's just really inconsistent in his impact and at times just hurts the team. I'd like to see more balance in minutes between Bridges and Oubre. Bridges doesn't bring the scoring ability of Oubre but he's more measured, more under control and he plays smart, especially on the defensive end

But would be need Oubre once Ayton bring scoring and rebounding to the table ? Currently we are lightweight in those so Kelly makes sense in the lineup.

I certainly expect those minutes to come down as will a bunch of other player's minutes once Ayton returns. Guys like Frank, Oubre and Cam will play less minutes out of their natural positions and will naturally play less minutes because they'll be more competition in those positions.

[Ghost of Kleine]

You mean like say Brandon Clarke...?

still a big ouch!!! on that one!

So whats our record with Brandon Clarke?

Hard to say really, As they both bring entirely different skillsets obviously. But IF I had to guess comparing their averages and figuring their theoretical impact to each team so far:

Cam Johnson-

9 points/ 3 rebounds/ 0.1 assists. 40% on threes. Offensive rating 106.3 / defensive rating 106.8.

Brandon Clarke-
12 points/ 5.9 rebounds/ 1 assist. ( 1 block). 50% on threes. Offensive rating 103.5 / defensive rating 109.7

I really like Cams' floor spacing potential, But I think given Clarkes' ability to also hit the three as well as protect the rim, And use his good athleticism to rebound as well as score around the rim, And with considering one of our most critical issues that has contributed to a fair majority of our losses is our lack of post defense and rim protection I'd have to again guess that he'd likely add around at least 3 to 4 wins, again due to his ability to offer rim protection, his efficiency from 3, as well as his post scoring ability. Also, Kaminsky could still rotate out to the three at center whilst Clarke works in the paint.


And with the consideration that our offense is still pretty good, even without Cams' shooting. And also because of the number of close losses we've suffered by giving up points in the paint. Also with respect to giving up multiple attempts to the opposing teams by not securing the rebound.

So my best guess would be 3-4 additional wins perhaps to maybe 1-2 by Cams' shot making and floor spacing. I like Cam, Butbwe shouldve gone with Clarke honestly.

[bwgood77]

still a big ouch!!! on that one!

So whats our record with Brandon Clarke?

Hard to say really, As they both bring entirely different skillsets obviously. But IF I had to guess comparing their averages and figuring their theoretical impact to each team so far:

Cam Johnson-

9 points/ 3 rebounds/ 0.1 assists. 40% on threes. Offensive rating 106.3 / defensive rating 106.8.

Brandon Clarke-
12 points/ 5.9 rebounds/ 1 assist. ( 1 block). 50% on threes. Offensive rating 103.5 / defensive rating 109.7

I really like Cams' floor spacing potential, But I think given Clarkes' ability to also hit the three as well as protect the rim, And use his good athleticism to rebound as well as score around the rim, And with considering one of our most critical issues that has contributed to a fair majority of our losses is our lack of post defense and rim protection I'd have to again guess that he'd likely add around at least 3 to 4 wins, again due to his ability to offer rim protection, his efficiency from 3, as well as his post scoring ability. Also, Kaminsky could still rotate out to the three at center whilst Clarke works in the paint.


And with the consideration that our offense is still pretty good, even without Cams' shooting. And also because of the number of close losses we've suffered by giving up points in the paint. Also with respect to giving up multiple attempts to the opposing teams by not securing the rebound.

So my best guess would be 3-4 additional wins perhaps to maybe 1-2 by Cams' shot making and floor spacing. I like Cam, Butbwe shouldve gone with Clarke honestly.

Not sure where you are getting your ORTG and DRTG #s. B-Ref has ORTG - Clarke 126, Cam 114, and DRTG, Clarke 109, Cam 111

But overall efficiency on offense is the biggest thing on offense...Clarke, since he is SO good around the rim, in addition to the 3, has a TS% of 69.4%. This has to be one of the higher ones in the entire NBA. Cam's is 59.6%, which is actually really good too, but still FAR below Clarke's.

Then, Clarke's defensive IQ when it comes to help and team defense is on another level, plus he can block shots....when he is guarding guys out at the 3 pt line it's scary to shoot, not because of his length, but because of his hops and angling. He overcomes his wingspan very well.

http://bkref.com/tiny/4Zmvc

[bwgood77]

New piece on the Athletic from John Hollinger talking about how it is unlikely many trades go down this season with 29 teams over the cap. Said a few things like Dallas is the only team with a trade exception they can use, almost $12 million so they are one team that could take a useful player.

Also said GS may try to get under repeater tax, and said they could try and trade Looney but take no salary back and then hopefully find a taker for WCS and waive Chriss.

Said they should be able to get a 2nd for Looney.

Said a couple of things about Portland..mainly that them and SA are unlikely to do much to try and improve at this point only to grab a 7th or 8th seed to get eliminated by an LA team in the 1st round.

It did say Portland could try to make moves to position themselves for next year and also cut a little salary.

Said most contenders have hands tied.

[Ghost of Kleine]

What about this trade? Gets Golden state out of the repeater tax. New York Finally gets a star. And we get a quality 4 and young quality frontcourt and backcourt depth on cheap contracts in Burks, and Eric Paschall ( who happens to be friends ftom Villanova with Bridges). We would also get Golden state's 2020 2nd round pick( which we can use for Paul Reed or Tre Jones) accordingly.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=s62ne2b .

[bwgood77]

What about this trade? Gets Golden state out of the repeater tax. New York Finally gets a star. And we get a quality 4 and young quality frontcourt and backcourt depth on cheap contracts in Burks, and Eric Paschall ( who happens to be friends ftom Villanova with Bridges). We would also get Golden state's 2020 2nd round pick( which we can use for Paul Reed or Tre Jones) accordingly.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=s62ne2b .

As I understand it, GS needs to shed salary THIS year to avoid the repeater tax.

[Ghost of Kleine]

So whats our record with Brandon Clarke?

Hard to say really, As they both bring entirely different skillsets obviously. But IF I had to guess comparing their averages and figuring their theoretical impact to each team so far:

Cam Johnson-

9 points/ 3 rebounds/ 0.1 assists. 40% on threes. Offensive rating 106.3 / defensive rating 106.8.

Brandon Clarke-
12 points/ 5.9 rebounds/ 1 assist. ( 1 block). 50% on threes. Offensive rating 103.5 / defensive rating 109.7

I really like Cams' floor spacing potential, But I think given Clarkes' ability to also hit the three as well as protect the rim, And use his good athleticism to rebound as well as score around the rim, And with considering one of our most critical issues that has contributed to a fair majority of our losses is our lack of post defense and rim protection I'd have to again guess that he'd likely add around at least 3 to 4 wins, again due to his ability to offer rim protection, his efficiency from 3, as well as his post scoring ability. Also, Kaminsky could still rotate out to the three at center whilst Clarke works in the paint.


And with the consideration that our offense is still pretty good, even without Cams' shooting. And also because of the number of close losses we've suffered by giving up points in the paint. Also with respect to giving up multiple attempts to the opposing teams by not securing the rebound.

So my best guess would be 3-4 additional wins perhaps to maybe 1-2 by Cams' shot making and floor spacing. I like Cam, Butbwe shouldve gone with Clarke honestly.

Not sure where you are getting your ORTG and DRTG #s. B-Ref has ORTG - Clarke 126, Cam 114, and DRTG, Clarke 109, Cam 111

But overall efficiency on offense is the biggest thing on offense...Clarke, since he is SO good around the rim, in addition to the 3, has a TS% of 69.4%. This has to be one of the higher ones in the entire NBA. Cam's is 59.6%, which is actually really good too, but still FAR below Clarke's.

Then, Clarke's defensive IQ when it comes to help and team defense is on another level, plus he can block shots....when he is guarding guys out at the 3 pt line it's scary to shoot, not because of his length, but because of his hops and angling. He overcomes his wingspan very well.

Lol.....You know me Bgood, I always get my stats from Basketball reference. Com. My apologies for forgetting to paste it, And posting under wrong category. Hectic day and still learning with respect to statistics.

Anyways........

Cam Johnson-
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsca02.html .

Brandon Clarke-
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/clarkbr01.html .

It's listed under the advanced stats section or (overall). I didn't take from win/ losses column. Again, My apologies, I'm not really a statistics guy, but working on it. Either way, Clarke would obviously have a more profound impact due to our positional needs and his skillset I believe.

[Ghost of Kleine]

What about this trade? Gets Golden state out of the repeater tax. New York Finally gets a star. And we get a quality 4 and young quality frontcourt and backcourt depth on cheap contracts in Burks, and Eric Paschall ( who happens to be friends ftom Villanova with Bridges). We would also get Golden state's 2020 2nd round pick( which we can use for Paul Reed or Tre Jones) accordingly.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=s62ne2b .

As I understand it, GS needs to shed salary THIS year to avoid the repeater tax.

Well I do agree man, and per the trade, They do move Russell's 27 million salary, and get back Tyler Johnson's expiring and Markieff Morris' expiring to equalling 26 million in expirings this year. So that does have to help right? Also, New York would flip them the Dallas picks, And we'd get their 2020 2nd round pick. Not a superstar return, But still pretty good for them to get 27 million in cap relief this summer and two unprotected first round picks along with some expiring frontcourt and backcourt help.

[bwgood77]

Lol.....You know me Bgood, I always get my stats from Basketball reference. Com. My apologies for forgeting to paste it. Hectic day.

Anyways........

Cam Johnson-
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsca02.html .

Brandon Clarke-
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/clarkbr01.html .

It's listed under the advanced stats section or (overall). I didn't take from win/ losses column. Again, My apologies, I'm not really a statistics guy, but working on it. Either way, Clarke would obviously have a more profound impact due to our positional needs and his skillset I believe.

You could have clicked my link....ORTG and DRTG on the very right on "Per 100 Possessions" and TS% under "Advanced"

http://bkref.com/tiny/4Zmvc

[Ghost of Kleine]

Lol.....You know me Bgood, I always get my stats from Basketball reference. Com. My apologies for forgeting to paste it. Hectic day.

Anyways........

Cam Johnson-
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsca02.html .

Brandon Clarke-
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/clarkbr01.html .

It's listed under the advanced stats section or (overall). I didn't take from win/ losses column. Again, My apologies, I'm not really a statistics guy, but working on it. Either way, Clarke would obviously have a more profound impact due to our positional needs and his skillset I believe.

You could have clicked my link....ORTG and DRTG on the very right on "Per 100 Possessions" and TS% under "Advanced"

http://bkref.com/tiny/4Zmvc

Very true....lol..To be honest, I'm still trying to figure out the whole defensive/ offensive ratings system. It's honestly still very confusing to me. But thanks for the link. The comp charting is very much appreciated.

[bwgood77]

Lol.....You know me Bgood, I always get my stats from Basketball reference. Com. My apologies for forgeting to paste it. Hectic day.

Anyways........

Cam Johnson-
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsca02.html .

Brandon Clarke-
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/clarkbr01.html .

It's listed under the advanced stats section or (overall). I didn't take from win/ losses column. Again, My apologies, I'm not really a statistics guy, but working on it. Either way, Clarke would obviously have a more profound impact due to our positional needs and his skillset I believe.

You could have clicked my link....ORTG and DRTG on the very right on "Per 100 Possessions" and TS% under "Advanced"

http://bkref.com/tiny/4Zmvc

Very true....lol..To be honest, I'm still trying to figure out the whole defensive/ offensive ratings system. It's honestly still very confusing to me. But thanks for the link. The comp charting is very much appreciated.

Hover your cursor over ORTG and DRTG and it will tell you what it means.

[Ghost of Kleine]

You could have clicked my link....ORTG and DRTG on the very right on "Per 100 Possessions" and TS% under "Advanced"

http://bkref.com/tiny/4Zmvc

Very true....lol..To be honest, I'm still trying to figure out the whole defensive/ offensive ratings system. It's honestly still very confusing to me. But thanks for the link. The comp charting is very much appreciated.

Hover your cursor over ORTG and DRTG and it will tell you what it means.

Thanks man.

[PharmD]

As someone who's watched a lot of Kris Dunn, I'll say that he most definitely is a great defender but he ****ing SUCKS at offense. It was immediately apparent about 5 minutes into his first game that he was a huge bust. Furious that Thibs took him with the #5 pick.

I can agree with that, He's definitely got his struggles offensively. But he is a great defender. It's really too bad that he can't get a great shooting coach to help him fix his shot more. What are your thoughts on his passing ability? Not yhat it'd be critically important in a reserve defensive stopper role. But just curious as to his possible range of improvement in some areas?

Dunn has enough offensive game to be a rotation level player when combined with his defense. It's just that by top 5 pick standards he's extremely terrible. I feel like Suns fans will understand this concept (Jazz fans could not, hence Dante Exum still getting paid despite always being terrible)

[Wilber85]

still a big ouch!!! on that one!

So whats our record with Brandon Clarke?

Quite a bit better because our defense wouldn't be a mess. And he would also be able to score around the rim unlike Kaminsky and Saric, since he's one of the most efficient guys in the NBA, even as a rookie. Then can also spread the floor, shooting 3s at 50%.

And your other scrub from the previous year talk about the draft, Doncic, might be helpful too.

Ok boomer

You going to he a coward still? Ive admitted i made a mistake and doncic is a stud. Yet you still bring this up !