The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Frank Lee]

Yall are sure sold on this Ware kid. The rest of that package is pretty mediocre.

[sunsbg]

Yall are sure sold on this Ware kid. The rest of that package is pretty mediocre.

Heat fans don't think he's available so probably doesn't matter if sold or not. Hope this speculation ends soon and we have something real to discuss.

[thamadkant]

Wiggins is the most appealing salary filler by far. He would start at SF immediately.

This.

I'd be OK with Wiggins, Ware and 2 first rounders.
One of can be protected.

Wiggins would help the defensively and make Dunn have a mentor to work out with. Ware fixes the lack of NBA level center who isn't super old.

Heat are going for a championship run, they need to pony up Ware and Wiggins.

[Frank Lee]

…..I think cutting payroll is going to be much more important to Phoenix than most are giving credit to….

Here is a nugget worth reading again. It wasn’t but a few pages ago that Wishbia was cash broke.

Getting/Staying under the second apron seems to be a priority league wide.

I think lil’Sparta will achieve
that. And could momentarily dip under the first just to use the full MLE.

[Saberestar]

Claxton is better. Better fit for the team and his contract gets getter over time as well.

Easily prefer him over Wiggins. Question is how you get Claxton instead.

Better fit for the team AND he has played already for Jordan Ott. They were together several years in Brooklyn.

The C position is on the rise again and we need to have a good starting C. Claxton had a somewhat down year but he is just 26 and has already shown that he is a game changer on defense.

He would give us a much needed defensive C who can switch on the perimeter and can be a rim protector. Not too many Cs can do that.

He is limited on offense. 50-55% FT shooter...at least better than M. Robinson lol. But he is a great lob threat and runs the court like a gazelle for a C.

If we want to play fast on offense and aggressive on defense he is the best C available to execute that style of play.

I think if I think like that I want the Toronto offer. RJ is better than Wiggins, and 4 years younger. Poetl is better than Claxton. If we add Agbaji or Dick and the number 9 pick, then thats a competitive team. RJ gets you 20 points 6+ rebounds and about 5 assists from the SF spot, while Poetl 15/10/1.5 with OK offense and OK defense. You get a contributor with the 9th pick and you are good to go (as much as we'll be). Beal/Book/RJ/Dunn/Poetl can start - or if you get a good PG (as you should) then Beal can come off the bench. Bench of Gillespie/Dick/9thpick/Osho/29th pick/Richards/Martin
You don't get close to this with any of the other packages, maaaybe after 1-2 more offseason trades - but we have some of those coming up nevertheless as Grayson/O'neale situation has to be solved, as we have wing(s) coming back in all KD trades, so they will not have playing time.

Yeah, I like that Raptors trade.

[Ghost of Kleine]

KCP, Cole Anthony, John Konchar plus 4 firsts for KD…..

WHO ‘S WITH ME !!!


(Honestly I believe some here would be happy if not for the backstory)

So basically a bad contract (KCP), and two mediocre bench players on multi year contracts seems like a good value package for KD man? I get the picks are the value difference here, but why take another team's garbage? Just for those picks?

You are aware of sarcasm eh?

You are wound a little tight dude. Too many sleepless night at the old trade machine?

Of course I never would have suspected sarcastic comments from you given your history Frank. ......lol. Par for the course these days it seems. Given your sharp assessments of so many trades and other suggestions towards our offseason, I was actually a little eager to hear your legitimate thoughts on the current KD situation though,

As your Marcus Smart trade suggestion awhile back had legitimate substance to it! And unfortunately no, too much work and not much if any downtime for the ol' trade machine fix has me "jonesing for my fix."

[Ghost of Kleine]

Yall are sure sold on this Ware kid. The rest of that package is pretty mediocre.

Because it really is though! Aside from Ware as the crux value (which isn't substantial). Jovic has been mediocre statistically, and Jacquez has also been rather disappointing too.

Then you might have Rozier and Robinson as 45 million in expiring contracts which would help our cap/ tax situation. But neither hold much if any value at this point apart from cap reduction.

And if Wiggins, then you have an overpaid declining SF on a multiyear deal that no longer
Plays with much intensity or effort and who's shooting efficiency is also declined over the past two or three seasons. He almost seems to no longer be invested in basketball much since his rib injury.

Lastly you have a somewhat late 1st. And maybe a pick much farther out that is indeterminate value. Overall a pretty meh outcome given there's around 8-10 bidders according to Shams not long ago.

[Ghost of Kleine]

…..I think cutting payroll is going to be much more important to Phoenix than most are giving credit to….

Here is a nugget worth reading again. It wasn’t but a few pages ago that Wishbia was cash broke.

Getting/Staying under the second apron seems to be a priority league wide.

I think lil’Sparta will achieve
that. And could momentarily dip under the first just to use the full MLE.

And yet many still ignore or gloss over that underlying value in acquiring KD's 54 million contract that'd expire after the season. So certain teams could give it a run and then clear out massive cap space/ cap reduction too as is a prominent consideration under this new CBA.

That's just another reason KD even as a 1 yr rental holds premium value to these aforementioned "wildcard teams." And not even taking into account the recieving teams bird rights on KD that they could use to potentially resign him OR initiate a sign n trade of KD elsewhere possibly.

[bullsaficianado]

I like the rumored Spurs offer the most Vassell, Sochan, Johnson, and #14 and whatever future 1sts. The main reason being is Vassell will have high trade value if you look at what Bane just went for. So we can keep Johnson, Sochan and #14 and trade Vassell and get more picks.

[bullsaficianado]

It's not worth it for Wiggins even if they add Ware. Wiggins stinks and is over paid. Sure he can score but playing with Warriors made him look better than he is. Let Riley enjoy him. If Suns trade for him Wiggins will be the next verbal punching bag on this fourm like Ayton.

[Ghost of Kleine]

The idea of sending KD to Miami (absent the Ware consideration) honestly reminds me of when we traded Tyler Johnson to them for Ryan Anderson (Jovic) and Wayne Ellington (current disinterested/ uninvested Wiggins).

Only it's much worse considering the obvious enormous value gap between KD and Tyler freaking Johnson!!!

[bullsaficianado]

Suns should do the Spurs deal with no intentions of holding onto Vassell. We need more draft capital.

[lilfishi22]

I like the rumored Spurs offer the most Vassell, Sochan, Johnson, and #14 and whatever future 1sts. The main reason being is Vassell will have high trade value if you look at what Bane just went for. So we can keep Johnson, Sochan and #14 and trade Vassell and get more picks.

Vassell doesn’t have the value Bane does. I don’t think it’s close. Maybe a future FRP but not the haul Bane got.

Bane is considerably more efficient, far better shooter, much better ball handler, playmaker and creator. He’s a little older but he’s also been a pretty good playoff contributor too. Vassell at this point is still unproven.

[schnakenpopanz]

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[sunsbum]

I like the rumored Spurs offer the most Vassell, Sochan, Johnson, and #14 and whatever future 1sts. The main reason being is Vassell will have high trade value if you look at what Bane just went for. So we can keep Johnson, Sochan and #14 and trade Vassell and get more picks.

I’m also a lot higher on sochan than many on this board. I think he can top out at 15-17ppg, bring some multi position offense and defense and some much needed toughness and grit we’ve been searching for. Kinda like a draymond green. With this Desmond bane trade I think the absolute worst we could walk away with from SA is vassel/sochan/filler/ 3 frp if they still intend on keeping the #2 and castle. I don’t think Brooklyn wants another SG so you’d have to flip vassel to someone else for a center. I feel like Im starting to warm up to all 3 of the leftover teams packages now that the grizzlies trade is live. With houston I’d like to see smith jr/filler/Sheppard and a first, and Miami ware/filler/jovic and a first.

[dremill24]

I like the rumored Spurs offer the most Vassell, Sochan, Johnson, and #14 and whatever future 1sts. The main reason being is Vassell will have high trade value if you look at what Bane just went for. So we can keep Johnson, Sochan and #14 and trade Vassell and get more picks.

Vassell doesn’t have the value Bane does. I don’t think it’s close. Maybe a future FRP but not the haul Bane got.

Bane is considerably more efficient, far better shooter, much better ball handler, playmaker and creator. He’s a little older but he’s also been a pretty good playoff contributor too. Vassell at this point is still unproven.

Yeah, there are many who believe that Vassell isnt even a positive asset on his contract. I think there would be a couple of teams who would see him as a positive, but not so much that they'd be parting with multiple valuable assets to get him. I had Orlando as the team most likely to be into him, but thats kinda out the window now. Maybe Utah, Memphis, Boston depending on their complicated plans, Milwaukee, New Orleans if they overhaul the roster, Dallas perhaps?

[starbosa10]

I like the rumored Spurs offer the most Vassell, Sochan, Johnson, and #14 and whatever future 1sts. The main reason being is Vassell will have high trade value if you look at what Bane just went for. So we can keep Johnson, Sochan and #14 and trade Vassell and get more picks.

Vassell doesn’t have the value Bane does. I don’t think it’s close. Maybe a future FRP but not the haul Bane got.

Bane is considerably more efficient, far better shooter, much better ball handler, playmaker and creator. He’s a little older but he’s also been a pretty good playoff contributor too. Vassell at this point is still unproven.

Yeah, there are many who believe that Vassell isnt even a positive asset on his contract. I think there would be a couple of teams who would see him as a positive, but not so much that they'd be parting with multiple valuable assets to get him. I had Orlando as the team most likely to be into him, but thats kinda out the window now. Maybe Utah, Memphis, Boston depending on their complicated plans, Milwaukee, New Orleans if they overhaul the roster, Dallas perhaps?

I'm not sold on Vassell as trade center piece at all

[BobbieL]

If Suns start a rebuild with Ware, Jovic picks from Miami than keeping Booker makes no sense especially if HOU wants to beat Magic offer for Bane. BobbieL has said it a thousand times already, but I just wanted to reiterate this simple truth.

BobbyL doesn’t run the suns. So where does that get us?

I wouldn’t be worse than ishbia and most every poster on here would be better than him too

[BobbieL]

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/45521332/nba-offseason-2025-intel-desmond-bane-trade-means-durant-draft

How does this impact the Kevin Durant trade saga?

In speaking with several sources Sunday in the wake of the Bane deal, the universal belief is that any draft packages going to Phoenix in a Durant deal will likely surpass the haul of draft picks coming to Memphis for Bane, who hasn't yet made an All-Star team.

"Everyone has to throw their prior precedents and baselines out," said one executive, who referred back to not only the Bane trade but the five firsts the New York Knicks traded for Mikal Bridges last year as having nothing to do with how to properly value Durant.

"Those deals don't mean Durant is worth 12 firsts now," they said.

But what, exactly, is Durant worth? It's the question people around the league continue to ask as the saga continues.

As ESPN's Shams Charania reported Saturday night, Durant is willing to sign a contract extension with three teams: the Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs and Miami Heat. However, sources around the league are still talking about the Minnesota Timberwolves as a potential landing spot for Durant.

What does seem clear is that the package isn't going to be anywhere near the haul that the Brooklyn Nets received for Durant two-and-a-half years ago, a deal consummated within the first 24 hours owner Mat Ishbia took control of the Suns. How Ishbia will react to that will be telling, and could determine how this process plays out.

Colour me surprised. Pleasantly

I will be pleasantly surprised as well. My value for Durant was always around the Spurs value: an expiring, rotational players and draft pick

Hopefully the Bane trade does gives the Suns more

[BobbieL]

Someone who's more tuned into prospects give me an upside ranking of: Dillingham, Ware, Jabari Smith, Sochan

I'd have it as Jabari, Ware, Sochan and Dilly

1. Jabari - I think he's the most proven currently and he's already shown solid two-way production, he's got elite physicals and he's still only 22.
2. Ware - I personally like him a fair bit which is why I have him higher than Sochan. I was hoping he would drop in the last draft and he's had a solid rookie campaign. I like his size, I like his shooting potential and I like his efficiency.
3. Sochan - He's shown he's a really good defender already but a lot left off the table when it comes to his offense.
3. Dilly - I have him marginally lower than Sochan only mainly because I don't particularly like his style nor size with that style. Also didn't have a good rookie campaign to dispel my pre-draft view on him.

Thanks for the feedback. I think it is this order as well. Houston has so much to offer -- and really the talk has been about Miami,Minnesota, the Spurs - Houston might just be laying in the weeds, keeping quiet and getting the deal done