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Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

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Which three guys would you most like to draft if they are there at 13?

Kevon Looney
23
11%
Devin Booker
18
9%
Myles Turner
38
18%
Frank Kaminsky
48
23%
Trey Lyles
13
6%
Bobby Portis
15
7%
Willie Cauley-Stein
18
9%
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
9
4%
Stanley Johnson
17
8%
Montrezl Harrell
9
4%
 
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2261 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:53 pm

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Grots wrote:While there's some weird dislike of Bledsoe among the fanbase, I don't think a lot of us want him gone if not for using that nice pick to get Knight. The dual undersized PG thing is a joke and Bledsoe is our main trade asset.


I think its due to the fanbases perceived notion that Bledsoe cost us Dragic.

Also, Bledsoe has never really embraced the fanbase. I would say its 50/50. The 50% that want him gone don't like him and the other 50% don't like his on the court play (im in the don't like his on the court play 50% club).
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2262 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:56 pm

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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2263 » by AtheJ415 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:58 pm

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Grots wrote:While there's some weird dislike of Bledsoe among the fanbase, I don't think a lot of us want him gone if not for using that nice pick to get Knight. The dual undersized PG thing is a joke and Bledsoe is our main trade asset.


I think its due to the fanbases perceived notion that Bledsoe cost us Dragic.


It also has to do with the perceived notion that height=defense. People don't block shots with their faces. Bledsoe has a crazy wingspan that would allow our dual PG role to work. Everyone claims it doesn't, yet our backcourt with Bled and Dragic had the top or 2nd highest winshare during its time together among backcourts.
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2264 » by Revived » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:17 pm

Damn can't believe so many of yall want Kaminsky.
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2265 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:34 pm

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Why are they talking about sign and trading Knight like it's an option? Am I missing something? I thought you couldn't do that.
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2266 » by jcsunsfan » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:41 pm

Can't make Knight go anywhere he doesn't want to go (except to stay in Phoenix). He is a RFA. Talking about major deals with a s&T of Knight is pointless.
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2267 » by JMac1 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:42 pm

SF88 wrote:Damn can't believe so many of yall want Kaminsky.



Yea, why would anyone want a talented player that fits our team perfectly? :roll: Let's continue creating pages of a Cousins trade fantasies for two days, then draft someone at 13 just to hear all the "Boogie" salivators cry foul after the pick of Kaminsky, Lyles, or Turner.

I can't believe so many of yall do this year after year :-?
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2268 » by JMac1 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:43 pm

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Why are they talking about sign and trading Knight like it's an option? Am I missing something? I thought you couldn't do that.


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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2269 » by letsgosuns » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:00 pm

JMac1 wrote:Funny......Everyone talked/s about Cousins like a dog. Posters said he is a cancer and they would never want him on the team, but now he is rumored to be available and I haven't seen one poster say no. Too much. Isn't he a coach and team killer. Isn't he one of the worst babies in the NBA, where is all of this get Cousins at all cost coming from?

Hypocrites...

that is all


I have absolutely no interest in him whatsoever and do not want him anywhere near the Suns. At the very least, if the Suns trade for him, I have said repeatedly I would never trade Alex Len for him. I am probably the only person on this board that feels that way. I believe he is a psychotic loser who provides empty stats and has the worst attitude in the NBA. The Kings have been atrocious with him on the team for five years and shown zero improvement. Like I said before, he has never even led the Kings to at least 30 wins in a season. Lebron, Durant, Curry, Westbrook, and Harden would get thirty wins in their sleep with that Kings team. He ain't on that level. He makes no one around him better which is the number one mark of a great player. I would pass on Cousins. Much rather have a player like LaMarcus Aldridge on my team any day.
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Re: Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2270 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:10 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
Grots wrote:While there's some weird dislike of Bledsoe among the fanbase, I don't think a lot of us want him gone if not for using that nice pick to get Knight. The dual undersized PG thing is a joke and Bledsoe is our main trade asset.


I think its due to the fanbases perceived notion that Bledsoe cost us Dragic.


It also has to do with the perceived notion that height=defense. People don't block shots with their faces. Bledsoe has a crazy wingspan that would allow our dual PG role to work. Everyone claims it doesn't, yet our backcourt with Bled and Dragic had the top or 2nd highest winshare during its time together among backcourts.
definitely some here with an irrational Bledsoe hate but more so the reason he's talked about in trades is he's our best trade chip and if they want a good asset like the 4th pick dealing him is our only option. As much as it would be great to deal a bunch of spare pieces for a valuable asset that just doesn't happen very often.
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2271 » by Fo-Real » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:27 pm

Keep Bled, get rid of the disfunction around him with the drama and power struggles. No more Thomas going hero ball, No more Dragic pouting, no more Green hoisting shots, same goes for Marcus with his terrible ass. Maybe Jeff can get back to coaching instead of juggling players bitch fits. Put talent and leadership around Bled instead of the bull from this year.

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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2272 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:35 pm

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Post#2273 » by saintEscaton » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:38 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:Celtics-Offer-Marcus-Smart-Two-Firsts-To-76ers-For-Nerlens-Noel-No-3

Now that's funny!!!


Ainge is a good troll. Probably leaked that offer to the press just for the laughs
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2274 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:42 pm

So how is it "irrational" to dislike said player (bledsoe) for his piss poor decision making, horrid shooting %, large turnover numbers, low assist totals, and lack of on the court leadership?

Please explain?! Just because not everyone agrees on bledsoe doesn't make everyone else irrational because they don't agree with you.

Irrational would be disliking bledsoe because he wears his socks too low, shorts too high, doesn't have an awesome haircut. That's irrational. But to say people are irrational for not liking him because of his on the court play is the complete definition of irrational.

Sorry, but his weaknesses are well known and a hinder to this teams progress, his selfish style of play is well documented, he isn't an all-star, and he isn't a leader. Sorry if the truth hurts.
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2275 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:45 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Celtics-Offer-Marcus-Smart-Two-Firsts-To-76ers-For-Nerlens-Noel-No-3

Now that's funny!!!


Ainge is a good troll. Probably leaked that offer to the press just for the laughs

Damn ryan mcd, you can out do that offer. Goodwin, #13 and cavs pick. That should do for Noel and #3.
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Post#2276 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:45 pm

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Post#2277 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:48 pm

Oehler: What the Suns draft board SHOULD look like
by -Jody Oehler
We are a couple days away from the NBA Draft. The Suns have seemingly angered the basketball gods and have been punished to draft purgatory once again, making their first selection at 13th overall.
Is there hope for the Suns to land an impact player at 13 in this years draft? Yes; if they follow my draft board.
Here’s how my Suns draft board would look:*
* I’m assuming Devin Booker, Stanley Johnson and Mario Hezonja are off the board. All 3 would immediately become #1. Now back to the more realistic draft board…

1) Kelly Oubre, F, Kansas - At 19 years old, 6’7 (with a 7’2 winspan) and 208 pounds, Oubre has all the skills needed to be a prototype NBA 3. He’s the ultimate draft wildcard with all the tools to be an impact player but very little performance in college to back it up. He’s likely 2-3 years away from realizing anything close to his full potential but he projects to be a 3 and D wing who can also put the ball on the floor. Not sold yet? He’s left handed and everyone loves a smooth shooting lefty.
NBA Comp: Gerald Green without the knuckleheaded-ness.

2. Sam Dekker, F, Wisconsin - The NBA is moving closer to a league with fewer and fewer positional boundaries and with his size and skill set, Dekker is exactly what teams are looking for. At 6’9, 219 pounds Dekker has the size and athleticism to play 3 positions. If his 3 point shot develops as hoped, he’s likely to be an impact starter for years to come. Worst case scenario if he struggles would be to hypnotize him to believe every NBA opponent is the University of Arizona and watch him catch fire.
NBA Comp: Keith Van Horn. No, seriously, I believe he is literally Keith Van Horn.

3. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, F, Arizona - At 13 the Suns are going to be picking a promising player who all have at least one significant red flag. Hollis-Jefferson (6’7, 210 pounds) may have the biggest in that he doesn’t really have an offensive game. Now having watched him closely the last 2 seasons at Arizona, I think Hollis-Jefferson is capable of being a better offensive player than most. With an NBA schedule, coaching staff and regimen the skills are there to at least be a serviceable offensive player. He can kind of slash. He can kind of shoot. And he can definitely finish in transition. When you combine that with his incredible defensive acumen it’s a worthwhile risk at 13. Also, he’d immediately become the most likeable player on the Suns and would likely lead the team in jersey sales regardless of how his rookie season goes. Normally that wouldn’t be a factor in drafting a player but for a team as starved for good PR as the Suns are, it doesn’t hurt.
NBA Comp: Kawhi Leonard without the freakishly gigantic hands.

4. Myles Turner, C, Texas - He was the 2nd ranked player out of high school and went to Texas and promptly underachieved. We call that the Rick Barnes effect. He’s 6’11, 239 pounds and averaged nearly 3 blocks per game while showing an ability to knock down outside shots. So, why would a near 7 footer with range out to the NBA 3 point line last until 13? Because, apparently, he DOESN’T KNOW HOW TO RUN. Seriously. There are concerns about his lateral quickness and motor but the biggest red flag is his awkward running style. How an athlete could get to the NBA process without anyone telling him he runs like a 58 year rec league player with a charlie horse is beyond me. If I’m the Suns, I’m taking a chance on this talented 7 footer and hoping he, you know, figures out how to run like the 19 year old freak nature that he is.
NBA Comp: Fellow Longhorn LaMarcus Aldridge if Aldridge ran like he was 58.

5. Trey Lyles, F, Kentucky - Lyles (6’10, 240) could be the perfect compliment to Suns C Alex Len with his ability to play all over the floor offensively and distribute the ball. I’d rank him slightly ahead of Bobby Portis from Arkansas, mostly based on his midrange jumper and his ability to compliment Len. He, like most Kentucky players not named Anthony-Towns, didn’t really get a chance to showcase his talent in the platoon system. But make no mistake, he didn’t choose Kentucky because he was a scrappy, overachiever who wanted a taste of glory. No, he chose Kentucky because...actually I have no idea why he chose Kentucky when a year at North Carolina or Kansas likely would’ve propelled him to top 10 lock. Remember - never go to Kentucky, or something like that.
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Post#2278 » by saintEscaton » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:56 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:Oehler: What the Suns draft board SHOULD look like
by -Jody Oehler
We are a couple days away from the NBA Draft. The Suns have seemingly angered the basketball gods and have been punished to draft purgatory once again, making their first selection at 13th overall.
Is there hope for the Suns to land an impact player at 13 in this years draft? Yes; if they follow my draft board.
Here’s how my Suns draft board would look:*
* I’m assuming Devin Booker, Stanley Johnson and Mario Hezonja are off the board. All 3 would immediately become #1. Now back to the more realistic draft board…

1) Kelly Oubre, F, Kansas - At 19 years old, 6’7 (with a 7’2 winspan) and 208 pounds, Oubre has all the skills needed to be a prototype NBA 3. He’s the ultimate draft wildcard with all the tools to be an impact player but very little performance in college to back it up. He’s likely 2-3 years away from realizing anything close to his full potential but he projects to be a 3 and D wing who can also put the ball on the floor. Not sold yet? He’s left handed and everyone loves a smooth shooting lefty.
NBA Comp: Gerald Green without the knuckleheaded-ness.

2. Sam Dekker, F, Wisconsin - The NBA is moving closer to a league with fewer and fewer positional boundaries and with his size and skill set, Dekker is exactly what teams are looking for. At 6’9, 219 pounds Dekker has the size and athleticism to play 3 positions. If his 3 point shot develops as hoped, he’s likely to be an impact starter for years to come. Worst case scenario if he struggles would be to hypnotize him to believe every NBA opponent is the University of Arizona and watch him catch fire.
NBA Comp: Keith Van Horn. No, seriously, I believe he is literally Keith Van Horn.

3. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, F, Arizona - At 13 the Suns are going to be picking a promising player who all have at least one significant red flag. Hollis-Jefferson (6’7, 210 pounds) may have the biggest in that he doesn’t really have an offensive game. Now having watched him closely the last 2 seasons at Arizona, I think Hollis-Jefferson is capable of being a better offensive player than most. With an NBA schedule, coaching staff and regimen the skills are there to at least be a serviceable offensive player. He can kind of slash. He can kind of shoot. And he can definitely finish in transition. When you combine that with his incredible defensive acumen it’s a worthwhile risk at 13. Also, he’d immediately become the most likeable player on the Suns and would likely lead the team in jersey sales regardless of how his rookie season goes. Normally that wouldn’t be a factor in drafting a player but for a team as starved for good PR as the Suns are, it doesn’t hurt.
NBA Comp: Kawhi Leonard without the freakishly gigantic hands.

4. Myles Turner, C, Texas - He was the 2nd ranked player out of high school and went to Texas and promptly underachieved. We call that the Rick Barnes effect. He’s 6’11, 239 pounds and averaged nearly 3 blocks per game while showing an ability to knock down outside shots. So, why would a near 7 footer with range out to the NBA 3 point line last until 13? Because, apparently, he DOESN’T KNOW HOW TO RUN. Seriously. There are concerns about his lateral quickness and motor but the biggest red flag is his awkward running style. How an athlete could get to the NBA process without anyone telling him he runs like a 58 year rec league player with a charlie horse is beyond me. If I’m the Suns, I’m taking a chance on this talented 7 footer and hoping he, you know, figures out how to run like the 19 year old freak nature that he is.
NBA Comp: Fellow Longhorn LaMarcus Aldridge if Aldridge ran like he was 58.

5. Trey Lyles, F, Kentucky - Lyles (6’10, 240) could be the perfect compliment to Suns C Alex Len with his ability to play all over the floor offensively and distribute the ball. I’d rank him slightly ahead of Bobby Portis from Arkansas, mostly based on his midrange jumper and his ability to compliment Len. He, like most Kentucky players not named Anthony-Towns, didn’t really get a chance to showcase his talent in the platoon system. But make no mistake, he didn’t choose Kentucky because he was a scrappy, overachiever who wanted a taste of glory. No, he chose Kentucky because...actually I have no idea why he chose Kentucky when a year at North Carolina or Kansas likely would’ve propelled him to top 10 lock. Remember - never go to Kentucky, or something like that.



Agree except I wouldn't consider Dekker or RHJ at #13. For me order of preference would be 1) Turner 2)Stanimal 3) Oubre 4) Lyles. Not that high on Frank he's more of a fallback option imo even though he would be considered good value if he "dropped" to us with the rise of his draft stock
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Re: Official Draft Thread: What should we do with the 13th and 43rd pick? 

Post#2279 » by SunsFanSSOL » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:13 pm

SI Newest Mock has WCS falling to us at 13 http://www.si.com/nba/2015/06/23/nba-mock-draft-karl-towns-jahlil-okafor-kristaps-porzingis-rj-hunter-emmanuel-mudiay

And Gambo is saying we will pick him if he's there, take that for what it's worth.
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Post#2280 » by RaisingArizona » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:37 pm

SunsFanSSOL wrote:SI Newest Mock has WCS falling to us at 13 http://www.si.com/nba/2015/06/23/nba-mock-draft-karl-towns-jahlil-okafor-kristaps-porzingis-rj-hunter-emmanuel-mudiay

And Gambo is saying we will pick him if he's there, take that for what it's worth.


Gambo also said we wouldn't pass on Hood last year at #18.
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