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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
Total votes: 29

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#2281 » by Kerrsed » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:43 am

Glad to see so many jumping aboard the Bane Train!

Im thinking i might need to create a @BaneFanClub twitter profile to replace the one we are losing. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#2282 » by bwgood77 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:12 am

Kerrsed wrote:Glad to see so many jumping aboard the Bane Train!

Im thinking i might need to create a @BaneFanClub twitter profile to replace the one we are losing. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yeah, only 22% on the poll still though even though people could change their vote, so still Lewis and Terry both more preferable to most.
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Post#2283 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:29 am

If we actually do the Paul trade, And take Bane with our pick and/ or a trade back, What are you guys thoughts on this prospect with a mid to late 2nd round pick. He's apparently a tremendous defender and elite rebounder (,over 8 rebounds per game) and career 38% from three! for a guard. Is apparently relentless, strong, and athletic! I see him having a Derrick White/ Pat Beverly ultimate upside as a defender. We could always use more of those. I would love this guy as a late to undrafted prospect. Especially with him possibly being mentored by Paul! :nod:



Just imagine him flying all over the court with elite disruptive defense creating havoc all over the court. Alongside of Bridges? Or beside Carter? Or even Booker or Paul as a strong defensive compliment! :o :o :D
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Post#2284 » by phx#7 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:49 am

Of the lottery guys I'm leaning towards Hayes followed by Vassell and Haliburton, however I think the bust potential throughout the lottery is much higher than most years.

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of trying to trade down and trying to snag Riller and Reed. I feel like both those guys can be rotation players year one and really help with some of the team's biggest weaknesses.
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Post#2285 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:08 am

phx#7 wrote:Of the lottery guys I'm leaning towards Hayes followed by Vassell and Haliburton, however I think the bust potential throughout the lottery is much higher than most years.

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of trying to trade down and trying to snag Riller and Reed. I feel like both those guys can be rotation players year one and really help with some of the team's biggest weaknesses.


Agreed! I also would really like any of Hayes, Haliburton, Vassell. But the consensus is that they'll all be gone well before our pick at 10. I also agree fully on the combination of Riller and Reed in a trade back scenario. Or IF Jones is helbent on Bane, Then Tyler Bey or Xavier Tillman or of course Reed in that group as well to be considered. IF we do grt Paul, Then we'll have our 3 potential all stars in Paul/ Booker/ Ayton. With respect to that, This draft provides us with a unique opportunity in this depressed financial climate to fill out our roster With quality low cost 3 and D utility role players.

It's almost the perfect scenario, As cost will play a major factor for us. And this draft is actually loaded with high end role players. :D
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Post#2286 » by RedIndian » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:16 am

I still find absurd the love-in for Bane at #10.

Don't get me wrong, Bane was a good college player, and I think he'll be a decent rotation player in the NBA. I just don't think he'll ever be better than a 8th or 9th guy in a rotation, which is quite frankly a poor return for the 10th pick.

For all his talk about his stellar defense, I'm certain that he's not going to be some lockdown defender in the NBA. You can start with the fact that he has a NEGATIVE wingspan, and his foot speed isn't anything exceptional.

Now with any defensive prospect, you're first considering what his defensive role is going to be - team defender or POA defender.

You can be certain that Bane cannot be a POA defender in the NBA. He's not explosive enough, his foot speed is average, and most guards in the league will just blow by him.

As a team defender, Bane should be fine. He's exceptionally strong, so he'll be good on switches against bigger players. He's also a high IQ guy, so I see him as a very solid NBA team defender. But don't expect a hugely impactful guy. Someone with a negative wingspan (6'4) will NOT be massively impactful as a team defender. Expect limited numbers in blocks and steals.

Frankly, if defense and shooting on the wings is our priority, I see Vassell, Saddiq Bey, Nesmith and even Josh Green as better prospects. Bane is older and further ahead in his development, but the others are simply better prospects. Quicker and longer, and potentially just as good at shooting the ball. I can actually see them as being potential starters in the NBA. Don't see that at all with Bane.

FWIW, I actually think that we'd get more value (from a defense alone perspective) in simply bringing Carter back as opposed to drafting Bane. Carter is an elite POA defender, and an absolute nightmare for opposing guards.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#2287 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:27 am

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quote="RedIndian"]I still find absurd the love-in for Bane at #10.

Don't get me wrong, Bane was a good college player, and I think he'll be a decent rotation player in the NBA. I just don't think he'll ever be better than a 8th or 9th guy in a rotation, which is quite frankly a poor return for the 10th pick.

For all his talk about his stellar defense, I'm certain that he's not going to be some lockdown defender in the NBA. You can start with the fact that he has a NEGATIVE wingspan, and his foot speed isn't anything exceptional.

Now with any defensive prospect, you're first considering what his defensive role is going to be - team defender or POA defender.

You can be certain that Bane cannot be a POA defender in the NBA. He's not explosive enough, his foot speed is average, and most guards in the league will just blow by him.

As a team defender, Bane should be fine. He's exceptionally strong, so he'll be good on switches against bigger players. He's also a high IQ guy, so I see him as a very solid NBA team defender. But don't expect a hugely impactful guy. Someone with a negative wingspan (6'4) will NOT be massively impactful as a team defender. Expect limited numbers in blocks and steals.

Frankly, if defense and shooting on the wings is our priority, I see Vassell, Saddiq Bey, Nesmith and even Josh Green as better prospects. Bane is older and further ahead in his development, but the others are simply better prospects. Quicker and longer, and potentially just as good at shooting the ball. I can actually see them as being potential starters in the NBA. Don't see that at all with Bane.

FWIW, I actually think that we'd get more value (from a defense alone perspective) in simply bringing Carter back as opposed to drafting Bane. Carter is an elite POA defender, and an absolute nightmare for opposing guards.[/quote]


I don't want Bane at 10, But definitely in a trade back scenario may say in the 14- 24 range. And especially if we score a 2nd first for a multi positional defender for our frontcourt in any of:
Tyler Bey (1), Paul Reed ( 2), Xavier Tillman ( 3).

And with Bane, I'm interested in his elite shooting range from all over the floor. Also his high IQ and playmaking potential. To me, he's like Eric Gordon. So I think he could be a very solid compliment to Booker and Paul. So all in all, I wouldn't at all be upset with him IF he was Jones target. :wink:
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Post#2288 » by bwgood77 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:18 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Agreed! I also would really like any of Hayes, Haliburton, Vassell.


I like all 3, but I don't quite agree that those are the top 3 I'd prefer of the lotto guys. I'd still prefer Toppin or Haliburton of lotto guys, probably followed by Vassell, but then again, I don't have enough scouting info/tape or good numbers to go off of to evaluate Hayes very well, so I can't really make a good judgment there.

But I'd be happy with Bane at 10. Sure if we could trade down and get 14 and 26 or 14 and 30 for 10 (doubt we could get all 3 for just 10), and could still get Bane and someone else later like Reed, that would be even better. I like Bane probably about as much as Vassell right now, mainly because of Vassell's revised form on shot, but that doesn't bother me a great deal.
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Post#2289 » by bwgood77 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:21 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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quote="RedIndian"]I still find absurd the love-in for Bane at #10.

Don't get me wrong, Bane was a good college player, and I think he'll be a decent rotation player in the NBA. I just don't think he'll ever be better than a 8th or 9th guy in a rotation, which is quite frankly a poor return for the 10th pick.

For all his talk about his stellar defense, I'm certain that he's not going to be some lockdown defender in the NBA. You can start with the fact that he has a NEGATIVE wingspan, and his foot speed isn't anything exceptional.

Now with any defensive prospect, you're first considering what his defensive role is going to be - team defender or POA defender.

You can be certain that Bane cannot be a POA defender in the NBA. He's not explosive enough, his foot speed is average, and most guards in the league will just blow by him.

As a team defender, Bane should be fine. He's exceptionally strong, so he'll be good on switches against bigger players. He's also a high IQ guy, so I see him as a very solid NBA team defender. But don't expect a hugely impactful guy. Someone with a negative wingspan (6'4) will NOT be massively impactful as a team defender. Expect limited numbers in blocks and steals.

Frankly, if defense and shooting on the wings is our priority, I see Vassell, Saddiq Bey, Nesmith and even Josh Green as better prospects. Bane is older and further ahead in his development, but the others are simply better prospects. Quicker and longer, and potentially just as good at shooting the ball. I can actually see them as being potential starters in the NBA. Don't see that at all with Bane.

FWIW, I actually think that we'd get more value (from a defense alone perspective) in simply bringing Carter back as opposed to drafting Bane. Carter is an elite POA defender, and an absolute nightmare for opposing guards.[/quote]


I don't want Bane at 10, But definitely in a trade back scenario may say in the 14- 24 range. And especially if we score a 2nd first for a multi positional defender for our frontcourt in any of:
Tyler Bey (1), Paul Reed ( 2), Xavier Tillman ( 3).

And with Bane, I'm interested in his elite shooting range from all over the floor. Also his high IQ and playmaking potential. To me, he's like Eric Gordon. So I think he could be a very solid compliment to Booker and Paul. So all in all, I wouldn't at all be upset with him IF he was Jones target. :wink:[/quote]


So if we stay at 10 and Hayes, Vassell, Haliburton, Okongwu, Toppin, etc (the usual top 9) are gone, who would you want over Bane at 10? Lewis? Terry? Saddiq Bey? Jalen Smith?
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Post#2290 » by RedIndian » Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:30 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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quote="RedIndian"]I still find absurd the love-in for Bane at #10.

Don't get me wrong, Bane was a good college player, and I think he'll be a decent rotation player in the NBA. I just don't think he'll ever be better than a 8th or 9th guy in a rotation, which is quite frankly a poor return for the 10th pick.

For all his talk about his stellar defense, I'm certain that he's not going to be some lockdown defender in the NBA. You can start with the fact that he has a NEGATIVE wingspan, and his foot speed isn't anything exceptional.

Now with any defensive prospect, you're first considering what his defensive role is going to be - team defender or POA defender.

You can be certain that Bane cannot be a POA defender in the NBA. He's not explosive enough, his foot speed is average, and most guards in the league will just blow by him.

As a team defender, Bane should be fine. He's exceptionally strong, so he'll be good on switches against bigger players. He's also a high IQ guy, so I see him as a very solid NBA team defender. But don't expect a hugely impactful guy. Someone with a negative wingspan (6'4) will NOT be massively impactful as a team defender. Expect limited numbers in blocks and steals.

Frankly, if defense and shooting on the wings is our priority, I see Vassell, Saddiq Bey, Nesmith and even Josh Green as better prospects. Bane is older and further ahead in his development, but the others are simply better prospects. Quicker and longer, and potentially just as good at shooting the ball. I can actually see them as being potential starters in the NBA. Don't see that at all with Bane.

FWIW, I actually think that we'd get more value (from a defense alone perspective) in simply bringing Carter back as opposed to drafting Bane. Carter is an elite POA defender, and an absolute nightmare for opposing guards.[/quote]


I don't want Bane at 10, But definitely in a trade back scenario may say in the 14- 24 range. And especially if we score a 2nd first for a multi positional defender for our frontcourt in any of:
Tyler Bey (1), Paul Reed ( 2), Xavier Tillman ( 3).

And with Bane, I'm interested in his elite shooting range from all over the floor. Also his high IQ and playmaking potential. To me, he's like Eric Gordon. So I think he could be a very solid compliment to Booker and Paul. So all in all, I wouldn't at all be upset with him IF he was Jones target. :wink:[/quote]

Again, the Eric Gordon comparison is very strange. Is it because he's roughly the same height and weight?

There's nothing else in common.

Gordon was an explosive college player. Had a terrific first step and a 6'9 wingspan. Averaged 20.9 points as a freshman. Went 7th overall in a stacked draft, and pre-injury Gordon looked like he would be an all-star and one of the best scoring guards in the league. Injury robbed him of stardom, but he still wound up being a high quality starter.

I will be shocked if Bane turns to out to be anywhere as good as Gordon. But he won't. He's not that good. And he's a different type of player in any case.
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Post#2291 » by Spin Move » Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:34 am

Jumping into this conversation (I live in Scottsdale though I am former Celtics Mod) I would not spend a top 20 pick on Bane, if you are trading back into the 20's in a Paul trade fine. At 10 if Haliburton is there I think he is a great fit next to Booker. Patrick williams has lots of upside as a switchable 3/4. If Obi falls somehow he would be great next to Ayton on offense. I would not mind a small trade down for a Kira Lewis or a cole anthony a few spots later at 14-16 if we are going point Guard. Jalen Smith next to Ayton would look good if we are trading down as well. Later in the draft A Paul Reed with the an extra pick from a trade down would fit well also. I think we have enough young players on the wing and should focus on 1 and 4. I would not mind Bane in the 20's but not anywhere close to 10. If we were thinking Wing at 10 Nesmith, Vassell Williams are all much better prospects.
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Post#2292 » by oddity » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:49 am

Spin Move wrote:Jumping into this conversation (I live in Scottsdale though I am former Celtics Mod) I would not spend a top 20 pick on Bane, if you are trading back into the 20's in a Paul trade fine. At 10 if Haliburton is there I think he is a great fit next to Booker. Patrick williams has lots of upside as a switchable 3/4. If Obi falls somehow he would be great next to Ayton on offense. I would not mind a small trade down for a Kira Lewis or a cole anthony a few spots later at 14-16 if we are going point Guard. Jalen Smith next to Ayton would look good if we are trading down as well. Later in the draft A Paul Reed with the an extra pick from a trade down would fit well also. I think we have enough young players on the wing and should focus on 1 and 4. I would not mind Bane in the 20's but not anywhere close to 10. If we were thinking Wing at 10 Nesmith, Vassell Williams are all much better prospects.

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Post#2293 » by Saberestar » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:03 pm

RedIndian wrote:I still find absurd the love-in for Bane at #10.

Don't get me wrong, Bane was a good college player, and I think he'll be a decent rotation player in the NBA. I just don't think he'll ever be better than a 8th or 9th guy in a rotation, which is quite frankly a poor return for the 10th pick.

For all his talk about his stellar defense, I'm certain that he's not going to be some lockdown defender in the NBA. You can start with the fact that he has a NEGATIVE wingspan, and his foot speed isn't anything exceptional.

Now with any defensive prospect, you're first considering what his defensive role is going to be - team defender or POA defender.

You can be certain that Bane cannot be a POA defender in the NBA. He's not explosive enough, his foot speed is average, and most guards in the league will just blow by him.

As a team defender, Bane should be fine. He's exceptionally strong, so he'll be good on switches against bigger players. He's also a high IQ guy, so I see him as a very solid NBA team defender. But don't expect a hugely impactful guy. Someone with a negative wingspan (6'4) will NOT be massively impactful as a team defender. Expect limited numbers in blocks and steals.

Frankly, if defense and shooting on the wings is our priority, I see Vassell, Saddiq Bey, Nesmith and even Josh Green as better prospects. Bane is older and further ahead in his development, but the others are simply better prospects. Quicker and longer, and potentially just as good at shooting the ball. I can actually see them as being potential starters in the NBA. Don't see that at all with Bane.

FWIW, I actually think that we'd get more value (from a defense alone perspective) in simply bringing Carter back as opposed to drafting Bane. Carter is an elite POA defender, and an absolute nightmare for opposing guards.

I understand your concerns about his wingspan, but that's just one factor. I am not that worried about it. Herro has a 6'3 wingspan and he is already a decent defender and rebounder for his position.

I like to analyse how a player uses his body or the tools that he has on the court, and Bane knows how to take advantage of his physical profile in a good way. Like you have said he already looks a nice team defender. Some players has great physical tools (Chriss, for example) and you predicts that sometime in the future he will exploit it....but so many times that never happen.

Bane has the size and the skills to defend effectively the majority of SGs in the league. And he is fast enough to defend some PGs and strong enough to defend some SFs, so all in all I think Monty would find always a good matchup on defense for him.
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Post#2294 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:59 pm

I like Bane but my question is how much of an actual upgrade is he over Carter? He's taller but basically has the same wingspan and Carter is like a PJ Tucker where he's good at guarding dudes bigger than him. Carter shot 40% from 3 so I doubt Bane would be an upgrade there.

I'm not going to be mad if they draft Bane because I do think he'll end up being a rotation guy. I just wonder if they would be better off taking a swing on a guy with more upside or take a wing or big to add depth there opposed to SG.

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Post#2295 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:43 pm

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quote="RedIndian"]
Ghost of Kleine wrote:[spoiler]quote="RedIndian"]I still find absurd the love-in for Bane at #10.

Don't get me wrong, Bane was a good college player, and I think he'll be a decent rotation player in the NBA. I just don't think he'll ever be better than a 8th or 9th guy in a rotation, which is quite frankly a poor return for the 10th pick.

For all his talk about his stellar defense, I'm certain that he's not going to be some lockdown defender in the NBA. You can start with the fact that he has a NEGATIVE wingspan, and his foot speed isn't anything exceptional.

Now with any defensive prospect, you're first considering what his defensive role is going to be - team defender or POA defender.

You can be certain that Bane cannot be a POA defender in the NBA. He's not explosive enough, his foot speed is average, and most guards in the league will just blow by him.

As a team defender, Bane should be fine. He's exceptionally strong, so he'll be good on switches against bigger players. He's also a high IQ guy, so I see him as a very solid NBA team defender. But don't expect a hugely impactful guy. Someone with a negative wingspan (6'4) will NOT be massively impactful as a team defender. Expect limited numbers in blocks and steals.

Frankly, if defense and shooting on the wings is our priority, I see Vassell, Saddiq Bey, Nesmith and even Josh Green as better prospects. Bane is older and further ahead in his development, but the others are simply better prospects. Quicker and longer, and potentially just as good at shooting the ball. I can actually see them as being potential starters in the NBA. Don't see that at all with Bane.

FWIW, I actually think that we'd get more value (from a defense alone perspective) in simply bringing Carter back as opposed to drafting Bane. Carter is an elite POA defender, and an absolute nightmare for opposing guards.[/quote]


Spoiler:
I don't want Bane at 10, But definitely in a trade back scenario may say in the 14- 24 range. And especially if we score a 2nd first for a multi positional defender for our frontcourt in any of:
Tyler Bey (1), Paul Reed ( 2), Xavier Tillman ( 3).

And with Bane, I'm interested in his elite shooting range from all over the floor. Also his high IQ and playmaking potential. To me, he's like Eric Gordon. So I think he could be a very solid compliment to Booker and Paul. So all in all, I wouldn't at all be upset with him IF he was Jones target. :wink:[/quote][/quote]
Again, the Eric Gordon comparison is very strange. Is it because he's roughly the same height and weight?

There's nothing else in common.

Gordon was an explosive college player. Had a terrific first step and a 6'9 wingspan. Averaged 20.9 points as a freshman. Went 7th overall in a stacked draft, and pre-injury Gordon looked like he would be an all-star and one of the best scoring guards in the league. Injury robbed him of stardom, but he still wound up being a high quality starter.



I will be shocked if Bane turns to out to be anywhere as good as Gordon. But he won't. He's not that good. And he's a different type of player in any case.

Perspective man! :wink:
It's all perspective really. Both are really solid scorers with strong frames, Both are elite outside shooters with limitless range from pretty much all over the court. Both have secondary playmaking ability , Although Gordon was obviously a more advanced ball handler at that stage. Both are versatile strong, switchable defenders, Though neither are really elite. Both have really high basketball IQs' and impact games with their effortless shooting and smart two way plays. Both are relentless high motor two way players that make winning plays frequently, Both are very adept at scoring around the rim on penetration. They're really much more similar than you may realize man.

https://973espn.com/draft-profile-tcus-desmond-bane/
[quote]Desmond Bane is a sharpshooting guard out of TCU. He is coming off a senior season where he averaged 16.6 PPG, 6.3 RPG, and 3.9 APG. Bane is a guy who has been tied to the Sixers in a lot of draft talks and would be a seamless fit on their roster.


One player that Bane draws a lot of comparison to is Houston Rocket's guard Eric Gordon. This comparison is almost spot-on as both are guards who are lethal on the outside but still can put the ball on the floor and get to the rim.[/quote]

https://amp.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/j7ahu3/best_player_comparison_for_desmond_bane/

[quote]_Apatosaurus_·33d

Old Eric Gordon.

EG is a bit shorter with a longer wingspan, but I think they have similar stocky builds that give them the strength to guard some SFs. They are both high level shooters, although Gordon is obviously more streaky lately. Neither is a high level athlete, but they are good enough. Both have an okay handle and are capable passers, but shouldn't be lead guards or PGs.

It's not a perfect comp obviously, but I think they will play similar roles. [/quote]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.slcdunk.com/platform/amp/2020/10/26/21533990/2020-nba-draft-coverage-desmond-bane-tcu-utah-jazz-prospect

[quote]Player comp:

Shades of: Malcolm Brogdon, Eric Gordon, JJ Redick[/quote]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nba.com/amp/magic/2020-draft-prospects-shooting-guards-10-20200920

[quote] Eric Gordon is a fair comparison for Bane, who like the Houston Rockets sharpshooter was also raised in Indiana [/quote]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-comparisons-james-wiseman-lamelo-ball-anthony-edwards/amp/
[quote] HoopsHype

2020 NBA draft: Player comparisons for projected first-rounders

4 days ago — NBA comparisons: Donovan Mitchell, Eric Gordon, Dion Waiters ... Desmond Bane, TCU. Kevin Jairaj-USA ...[/quote]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hoopshype.com/2020/04/09/2020-nba-draft-stock-desmond-bane-tcu-horned-frogs/amp/

[quote]I study Eric Gordon, who shoots a bit more off the bounce. [/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]


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If you look at the comparison, I think you'll find that both players are fairly comparable statistically too. But in general the comparison is made primarily due to their very similar offensive package, Their similar style of play and strong frames that allows them to be versatile and switchable defenders, both are high IQ two way impact players that make winning plays. Both have deep, effortless range, And effortless shots. Both have that relentless " Bulldog" mentality. Both have a very similar trajectory as well. And both have underrated secondary playmaking potential off the ball.

But it's cool if you see a different comp for him. He also gets a ton of Malcolm Brogdon and Gary Trent Jr comparisons too. Really not a bad outcome at all in this draft IF he hits any of those. As he'd be a steal for us. :wink:
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#2296 » by Saberestar » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:07 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I like Bane but my question is how much of an actual upgrade is he over Carter? He's taller but basically has the same wingspan and Carter is like a PJ Tucker where he's good at guarding dudes bigger than him. Carter shot 40% from 3 so I doubt Bane would be an upgrade there.

I'm not going to be mad if they draft Bane because I do think he'll end up being a rotation guy. I just wonder if they would be better off taking a swing on a guy with more upside or take a wing or big to add depth there opposed to SG.

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Different type of players.

Carter is a pest, agressive on ball defender and a good catch-and-shooter.

Bane is more an all-around player. He can defend multiple positions and he does all the little things on that side but he probably will not produce the defensive highlights that Carter usually does. Better creator, passer and finisher than Carter and way bigger...4 inches taller and 20-25 pounds heavier.

I would be happy with both on the team, they would give us great depth on the backcourt.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#2297 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:36 pm

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:[spoiler]quote="RedIndian"]I still find absurd the love-in for Bane at #10.

Don't get me wrong, Bane was a good college player, and I think he'll be a decent rotation player in the NBA. I just don't think he'll ever be better than a 8th or 9th guy in a rotation, which is quite frankly a poor return for the 10th pick.

For all his talk about his stellar defense, I'm certain that he's not going to be some lockdown defender in the NBA. You can start with the fact that he has a NEGATIVE wingspan, and his foot speed isn't anything exceptional.

Now with any defensive prospect, you're first considering what his defensive role is going to be - team defender or POA defender.

You can be certain that Bane cannot be a POA defender in the NBA. He's not explosive enough, his foot speed is average, and most guards in the league will just blow by him.

As a team defender, Bane should be fine. He's exceptionally strong, so he'll be good on switches against bigger players. He's also a high IQ guy, so I see him as a very solid NBA team defender. But don't expect a hugely impactful guy. Someone with a negative wingspan (6'4) will NOT be massively impactful as a team defender. Expect limited numbers in blocks and steals.

Frankly, if defense and shooting on the wings is our priority, I see Vassell, Saddiq Bey, Nesmith and even Josh Green as better prospects. Bane is older and further ahead in his development, but the others are simply better prospects. Quicker and longer, and potentially just as good at shooting the ball. I can actually see them as being potential starters in the NBA. Don't see that at all with Bane.

FWIW, I actually think that we'd get more value (from a defense alone perspective) in simply bringing Carter back as opposed to drafting Bane. Carter is an elite POA defender, and an absolute nightmare for opposing guards.[/quote]


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I don't want Bane at 10, But definitely in a trade back scenario may say in the 14- 24 range. And especially if we score a 2nd first for a multi positional defender for our frontcourt in any of:
Tyler Bey (1), Paul Reed ( 2), Xavier Tillman ( 3).

And with Bane, I'm interested in his elite shooting range from all over the floor. Also his high IQ and playmaking potential. To me, he's like Eric Gordon. So I think he could be a very solid compliment to Booker and Paul. So all in all, I wouldn't at all be upset with him IF he was Jones target. :wink:[/quote][/quote]

So if we stay at 10 and Hayes, Vassell, Haliburton, Okongwu, Toppin, etc (the usual top 9) are gone, who would you want over Bane at 10? Lewis? Terry? Saddiq Bey? Jalen Smith?[/quote][/quote][/quote]

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Man, That's a really good question. I really wouldn't prefer to take Bane at 10 anyways, As I believe he's ultimately going to fall into the 16- 24 range. And ideally, I'd prefer ( in that scenario) to trade back and acquire another asset to maximize value IF POSSIBLE. But to your question, IF we do choose to stay at 10, And our remaining choices are from those listed, I'd probably rank the players over Bane in this order:

1- Lewis.
2- Terry.
3- Jalen Smith.
4- Saddiq Bey** Although with Saddiq, I have them ranked almost equally, But probably would ultimately choose Desmond over Saddiq in this scenario, Primarily due to positional fit in the backcourt and as a secondary playmaker to Booker and Paul. Also, Saddiqs' lateral movement/ speed/ rotational velocity (recovery ability) is relatively poor at this stage. And despite his defensive versatility, I would prefer other more Athletic, long, Rangy options with potentially elite multipositional and switchable potential for us IF considering a 4. My choices for that alternatively would be:

1- Jalen Smith.
2- Tyler Bey.
3- Xavier Tillman.
4- Paul Reed.
5- Reggie Perry.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#2298 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:49 pm

Saberestar wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I like Bane but my question is how much of an actual upgrade is he over Carter? He's taller but basically has the same wingspan and Carter is like a PJ Tucker where he's good at guarding dudes bigger than him. Carter shot 40% from 3 so I doubt Bane would be an upgrade there.

I'm not going to be mad if they draft Bane because I do think he'll end up being a rotation guy. I just wonder if they would be better off taking a swing on a guy with more upside or take a wing or big to add depth there opposed to SG.

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Different type of players.

Carter is a pest, agressive on ball defender and a good catch-and-shooter.

Bane is more an all-around player. He can defend multiple positions and he does all the little things on that side but he probably will not produce the defensive highlights that Carter usually does. Better creator, passer and finisher than Carter and way bigger...4 inches taller and 20-25 pounds heavier.

I would be happy with both on the team, they would give us great depth on the backcourt.


Yeah, there's just something unusual about Bane's build and the way he moves that I love. Well-rounded, stable, strong. He's efficient, a good rebounder for his size, but also a good passer, shooter and ball handler. I think he could be even better on the next level. And he's a young senior to boot, which I'm a big fan of personally.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#2299 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:14 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I like Bane but my question is how much of an actual upgrade is he over Carter? He's taller but basically has the same wingspan and Carter is like a PJ Tucker where he's good at guarding dudes bigger than him. Carter shot 40% from 3 so I doubt Bane would be an upgrade there.

I'm not going to be mad if they draft Bane because I do think he'll end up being a rotation guy. I just wonder if they would be better off taking a swing on a guy with more upside or take a wing or big to add depth there opposed to SG.

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Different type of players.

Carter is a pest, agressive on ball defender and a good catch-and-shooter.

Bane is more an all-around player. He can defend multiple positions and he does all the little things on that side but he probably will not produce the defensive highlights that Carter usually does. Better creator, passer and finisher than Carter and way bigger...4 inches taller and 20-25 pounds heavier.

I would be happy with both on the team, they would give us great depth on the backcourt.


Yeah, there's just something unusual about Bane's build and the way he moves that I love. Well-rounded, stable, strong. He's efficient, a good rebounder for his size, but also a good passer, shooter and ball handler. I think he could be even better on the next level. And he's a young senior to boot, which I'm a big fan of personally.
Strength is an underappreciated trait for a guard. Really helps with all the switching teams do. What made the rockets ultra small ball work was their guards were all strong.


I still might lean another direction with this pick but enough of you that I actually respect your opinions on players like Bane so I certainly wouldn't cry it he ends up being the pick.

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#2300 » by Jsbath » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:37 pm

what would aaron nesmith look like? He si the better scorer of this draft and a good defender

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