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2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The KD era begins

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What do you think our chances are of winning the West and the Championship if we win the West?

20-30% we win west, 70-80% someone else in field does
6
10%
30-40% we win west, 60-70% someone else in field does
12
19%
40-50% we win west, 50-60% someone else in field does
7
11%
Greater than 50% we win west, less than 50% someone else in field does
5
8%
IF we win west, 50/50 chance we win vs east team
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27%
IF we win west, greater than 50% chance we win vs east team
8
13%
IF we win west, less than 50% chance we win vs east team
7
11%
 
Total votes: 62

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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The KD era begins 

Post#2281 » by KdoubleDees23 » Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:40 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Just seeing the backup C debate. My take is I wouldn't have a problem upgrading Joc but I don't think any of the old washed dudes on the street are an upgrade or playable in a playoff series.

Honestly if Ayton gets hurt they are probably screwed but that's the case with most teams key guys. My personal strategy if he got hurt would be survive some minutes with Biz and just go small the rest of the time and try to run teams off the floor. I'm a big small ball guy so Id actually do this against some teams for the backup C minutes now.

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We should have went for Meyers Leonard! Dude got screwed over by saying a word on a video game live stream, that he has apologized and done a lot more than Kyrie Irving. I hope to see him succeed in Milwaukee.
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Post#2282 » by Jesus_H_Macy » Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:41 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Yeah I'm just going to stop responding GoK. You are straying further away from your original argument and you seem to be getting a bit upset congratulating Lilfishi on the comparison of toast and destroyed :lol:
Back to my original argument that our C/PF rotation is fine. If Ayton goes down or if KD goes or if any of the Suns starters go down, Suns will be in trouble, I AGREE. But, I don't expect any of the current available free agents to help the Suns in this regard, except maybe Serge Ibaka. I think we are all aware of the stipulation that the Suns are likely the team to beat this year with the addition of KD, but the big caveat here is If healthy. But you could make the same case for any team if they lose any of their big premier players, no team has a reserve player that can contribute as much as their star player.

I will reiterate, I don't mind trying to upgrade from Landale if the Suns feel someone can do a better job (again Ibaka I feel could be a good candidate, I would even take Frank Kaminksy). I just don't see that being very likely as I believe CP3 recruited JJ to go and get Landale this summer.


CP tried to get Landale here? That's kind of strange. Did they have some sort of prior connection?

Backup PG is probably a bigger concern than backup C for multiple reasons (much more likely we get PG injuries, PG much more important position) but I share GoKs concern about bigs. I don't know anything about Bazley and don't expect him to get any burn so I'm not going to count him (maybe that is wrong) an although KD is 7ft he's not a true big and not someone we want banging and getting tired and in foul trouble. Which means we only have 3 actual bigs on the roster, and although I think Biz can give us some good minutes I don't feel the same way about Landale. Also agree on our options being limited though.... Is Ibaka completely cooked at this point? It would really suck to make it to the Finals again and run into Milwaukee and need big help that we don't have like '21 all over again.

Probably unlikely it will end up mattering, but since money ain't a thang anymore let's shore up as many holes as possible.
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Post#2283 » by NavLDO » Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:21 pm

Jesus_H_Macy wrote:Backup PG is probably a bigger concern than backup C for multiple reasons (much more likely we get PG injuries, PG much more important position) but I share GoKs concern about bigs. I don't know anything about Bazley and don't expect him to get any burn so I'm not going to count him (maybe that is wrong) an although KD is 7ft he's not a true big and not someone we want banging and getting tired and in foul trouble. Which means we only have 3 actual bigs on the roster, and although I think Biz can give us some good minutes I don't feel the same way about Landale. Also agree on our options being limited though.... Is Ibaka completely cooked at this point? It would really suck to make it to the Finals again and run into Milwaukee and need big help that we don't have like '21 all over again.

Probably unlikely it will end up mattering, but since money ain't a thang anymore let's shore up as many holes as possible.


I'm coming around to the idea of signing Ish, to give us that extra big--one who is young, and fresh, and can give us some rebounding. Make no mistake, he's a 'big boy' in the sense that Charles Barkley was--short, but thick (250lbs), and with long arms (Wingspan of 7' 1.5"). If we sign Ish, he can actually provide some decent D (better than Saric would have).

That would give us, what, 6 players with a Wingspan of at least 7'?? And while Durant doesn't necessarily 'bang around', he uses his length for defense quite well, and I've seen at least a couple of articles/videos, showing how Durant's defense is critically underrated. With a 7'5" Wingspan, and Biyombo's 7'7", and Ayton's 7'6"...then add in Landale's 7'2" and Ish's, again, 7'1.5", then add in Bazley's and Okogie's athleticism, I think we'll be just fine, overall.

Regarding the PG issue, Okogies has demonstrated the ability to the pucsh the ball up, with good handles, to back up Booker, as a back up to Payne, who back's up CP...

Overall, I'd feel good with this team, as it sits, to go into the playoff's, and even taking out Durant's immense impact...if he were a JAG with 6'11" with a 7'5" Wingspan, we'd still be better suited to match up against the Bucks, or pick any team in the West.

I'm nto saying we can't lose...I'm just saying I believe we are better prepared, mentally and physically, and talented, and experienced, than we were 2 years ago.
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Post#2284 » by matt131 » Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:45 pm

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Not sure we really need him now and probably need another big instead, but I still think Barton could be good insurance.
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Post#2285 » by Saberestar » Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:14 pm

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Not sure we really need him now and probably need another big instead, but I still think Barton could be good insurance.

Not a big deal, but insurance for what?

Book, Shamet, Damion Lee, Ross, Okogie, Warren and Craig...that's a ridiculous amount of playable SGs/SFs on the current roster.

Barton has been playing this season the worst basketball of his career. If we hadn't signed Ross I would consider him, but now he doesn't make sense.
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Post#2286 » by matt131 » Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:23 pm

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Not sure we really need him now and probably need another big instead, but I still think Barton could be good insurance.

Not a big deal, but insurance for what?

Book, Shamet, Damion Lee, Ross, Okogie, Warren and Craig...that's a ridiculous amount of playable SGs/SFs on the current roster.

Barton has been playing this season the worst basketball of his career. If we hadn't signed Ross I would consider him, but now he doesn't make sense.


understand he has sucked this year, but he was 14 ppg last year and started on a playoff team. insurance for if Okogie's offense or shooting isn't sustainable and teams just decide to never actually guard craig and he still can't hit a shot. having a player who has started for a good team and a playoff team means something. Ross has always been a bench guy and his numbers were down this year as well. just insurance lol
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Post#2287 » by BobbieL » Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:33 pm

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Not sure we really need him now and probably need another big instead, but I still think Barton could be good insurance.

Not a big deal, but insurance for what?

Book, Shamet, Damion Lee, Ross, Okogie, Warren and Craig...that's a ridiculous amount of playable SGs/SFs on the current roster.

Barton has been playing this season the worst basketball of his career. If we hadn't signed Ross I would consider him, but now he doesn't make sense.


If Payne, knock on wood, plays Friday
and Shamet is back in 2-3 weeks
I think I would just bring on Ish for the rest of the season and call it good
Only so many minutes to go around
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Post#2288 » by Saberestar » Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:05 pm

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Not sure we really need him now and probably need another big instead, but I still think Barton could be good insurance.

Not a big deal, but insurance for what?

Book, Shamet, Damion Lee, Ross, Okogie, Warren and Craig...that's a ridiculous amount of playable SGs/SFs on the current roster.

Barton has been playing this season the worst basketball of his career. If we hadn't signed Ross I would consider him, but now he doesn't make sense.


understand he has sucked this year, but he was 14 ppg last year and started on a playoff team. insurance for if Okogie's offense or shooting isn't sustainable and teams just decide to never actually guard craig and he still can't hit a shot. having a player who has started for a good team and a playoff team means something. Ross has always been a bench guy and his numbers were down this year as well. just insurance lol

I hear you but IF Okogie and Craig start playing bad on offense we can play Damion Lee, Warren, Ross (specially these three) or Shamet some minutes.

Barton isn't good on defense and can't play PG or PF, that's why I think he would be a waste of money, minutes and roster spot.
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Post#2289 » by bwgood77 » Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:22 pm

Saberestar wrote:
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Saberestar wrote:Not a big deal, but insurance for what?

Book, Shamet, Damion Lee, Ross, Okogie, Warren and Craig...that's a ridiculous amount of playable SGs/SFs on the current roster.

Barton has been playing this season the worst basketball of his career. If we hadn't signed Ross I would consider him, but now he doesn't make sense.


understand he has sucked this year, but he was 14 ppg last year and started on a playoff team. insurance for if Okogie's offense or shooting isn't sustainable and teams just decide to never actually guard craig and he still can't hit a shot. having a player who has started for a good team and a playoff team means something. Ross has always been a bench guy and his numbers were down this year as well. just insurance lol

I hear you but IF Okogie and Craig start playing bad on offense we can play Damion Lee, Warren, Ross (specially these three) or Shamet some minutes.

Barton isn't good on defense and can't play PG or PF, that's why I think he would be a waste of money, minutes and roster spot.


He would maybe come in handy if all 4 of Paul, Booker, Payne and Shamet were out again at the same time, but I imagine no more than 2 will be out at the same time the rest of the season, so I think we are good with Ross and Warren being added.
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Post#2290 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:10 pm

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Would really like him on a two way for development purposes if Ish is converted. Should we have any interest given what he's shown so far?
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Post#2291 » by grumpysaddle » Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:13 pm

TOO wrote:These posts too damn long >.>

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Post#2292 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:36 pm

The Hawks are what would happen if we let message boards run teams. Everyone gets fired :) plus they overvalue their scoring PF to the point he's been on the trade market for years and they can't find a deal, they really are a message board run organization.

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Post#2293 » by Slim Charless » Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:40 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Just seeing the backup C debate. My take is I wouldn't have a problem upgrading Joc but I don't think any of the old washed dudes on the street are an upgrade or playable in a playoff series.

Honestly if Ayton gets hurt they are probably screwed but that's the case with most teams key guys. My personal strategy if he got hurt would be survive some minutes with Biz and just go small the rest of the time and try to run teams off the floor. I'm a big small ball guy so Id actually do this against some teams for the backup C minutes now.

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We should have went for Meyers Leonard! Dude got screwed over by saying a word on a video game live stream, that he has apologized and done a lot more than Kyrie Irving. I hope to see him succeed in Milwaukee.


"A word"


OK, kid. You keep believing that. When you graduate high school and get in the real world, you'll find out that actions have consequences.

Anyways sorry to interrupt. Continue....lmao
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Post#2297 » by SunsRback4Good » Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:20 pm

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If we manage to swap Monty for Snyder the possibilities are endless. That could set us for a possible dynasty or at least two rings in next 3 years. Slim would be satisfied to the fullest with Ayton still here and Snyder leading the charge.
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Post#2298 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:22 pm

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Post#2299 » by Jdiddy701 » Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:31 pm

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Head's up Slim!


If we manage to swap Monty for Snyder the possibilities are endless. That could set us for a possible dynasty or at least two rings in next 3 years. Slim would be satisfied to the fullest with Ayton still here and Snyder leading the charge.

Have you ever thought if we did not have Monty that we would not have Chris Paul or Kevin Durant on the Suns? I think Book would probably be with another team as well. Say what you want about Monty, but he saved the Suns ass - from being the most embarrassing team in the league to one of the most respected. It’s pretty sad how some fans do not understand the impact he’s had in Phoenix. Every good thing the Suns have going right now is because of Monty but let’s ship him for a coach who could not do crap in the playoffs. Synder did a great job with managing Mitchell and Gobert, too. Solid choice!


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Post#2300 » by Sunlight » Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:35 pm

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