2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

[El Hespiritu]

Wow, a Dirk Gently meme

If there's some anime fan and he sees the last gif of my previous post... I guess he will know wich one is my favorite one from this Draft.

I'll post it again:

[Ghost of Kleine]

Neither one of you think Killian will be there? Also, Toppin wouldn't be a terrible pick at all lol and I'd still look at Vassell if both of those previous 2 guys are gone.

Unless something crazy and unexpected happens to turn the draft on its head, Wherein the Pistons take Pat Williams and the knicks take Kira Lewis, I don't see any way possible that Hayes falls to 10. Also, I'm sorry man! But I'm going to have to emphatically disagree with you on Toppin at 10. He'd be an amazing pick for us IF he somehow miraculously fell to us at 10. That being said, There's likely at best a 10 percent chance ( and that's being generous) that Toppin falls out of the top 5 of the draft. I do agree with you However, But I'm going to agree with you that I'd be very pleased with Vassell at 10 for our needs.

However, I'm going to go on record as saying that I fully expect the Suns to initiate a trade back scenario And very likely target Tyrell Terry with our primary pick, And then a front court player with the 2nd ( additional pick). Possibly Xavier Tillman or Tyler Bey? Plus pick up a veteran wing/ forward in the deal.

Interesting. So in your scenario that should make Haliburton available to us yes? That's just as good as Hayes imo. I personally don't think he falls past NYK. I'd happily take him if he's there. As to the trade down. If Toppin, Hayes, Haliburton and Vassell are all of the board I can be talked into a trade down- though if ALL of those dudes are gone than someone like a Deni or a Okgongwu might've dropped inexplicably.

I wish that were so brother, But honestly, The consensus among the majority of scouts and front office personnel is that Haliburton will absolutely be the 2nd guard off the board after Ball. Many just prefer Haliburtons' elite intangibles that escalate his value over Hayes. Here's how I see it basically playing out.

1- Minnesota: Edwards.
2- Golden State: Wiseman.
3- Charlotte: Ball.
4- Chicago: Deni Avdija.
5- Cleveland: Devin Vassell.
6- Atlanta: Haliburton.
7- Detroit: Toppin.
8- New York: Hayes.
9- Washington: Okungwu.
10- Phoenix: Trades pick! ( Trade back scenario).

** Phoenix trades Back with Boston for 14/ 26. + Kanter ( veteran added). If Boston, They'll draft either Pat Williams or

To Minnesota for the 16/ 33 with Omari Spellman ( veteran added). If Minnesota, They'll draft Okoro or Nesmith.

To Dallas for the 18/31 with Jalen Brunson and WCS ( veteran's added). If Dallas, They'll draft either Okoro or Aaron Nesmith.

[Slim Charless]

Unless something crazy and unexpected happens to turn the draft on its head, Wherein the Pistons take Pat Williams and the knicks take Kira Lewis, I don't see any way possible that Hayes falls to 10. Also, I'm sorry man! But I'm going to have to emphatically disagree with you on Toppin at 10. He'd be an amazing pick for us IF he somehow miraculously fell to us at 10. That being said, There's likely at best a 10 percent chance ( and that's being generous) that Toppin falls out of the top 5 of the draft. I do agree with you However, But I'm going to agree with you that I'd be very pleased with Vassell at 10 for our needs.

However, I'm going to go on record as saying that I fully expect the Suns to initiate a trade back scenario And very likely target Tyrell Terry with our primary pick, And then a front court player with the 2nd ( additional pick). Possibly Xavier Tillman or Tyler Bey? Plus pick up a veteran wing/ forward in the deal.

Interesting. So in your scenario that should make Haliburton available to us yes? That's just as good as Hayes imo. I personally don't think he falls past NYK. I'd happily take him if he's there. As to the trade down. If Toppin, Hayes, Haliburton and Vassell are all of the board I can be talked into a trade down- though if ALL of those dudes are gone than someone like a Deni or a Okgongwu might've dropped inexplicably.

I wish that were so brother, But honestly, The consensus among the majority of scouts and front office personnel is that Haliburton will absolutely be the 2nd guard off the board after Ball. Many just prefer Haliburtons' elite intangibles that escalate his value over Hayes. Here's how I see it basically playing out.

1- Minnesota: Edwards.
2- Golden State: Wiseman.
3- Charlotte: Ball.
4- Chicago: Deni Avdija.
5- Cleveland: Devin Vassell.
6- Atlanta: Haliburton.
7- Detroit: Toppin.
8- New York: Hayes.
9- Washington: Okungwu.
10- Phoenix: Trades pick! ( Trade back scenario).

** Phoenix trades Back with Boston for 14/ 26. + Kanter ( veteran added). If Boston, They'll draft either Pat Williams or

To Minnesota for the 16/ 33 with Omari Spellman ( veteran added). If Minnesota, They'll draft Okoro or Nesmith.

To Dallas for the 18/31 with Jalen Brunson and WCS ( veteran's added). If Dallas, They'll draft either Okoro or Aaron Nesmith.

That would be the worst case scenario for guys I want haha. I can see it happening though I guess. That Boston trade is interesting as you've mentioned them numerous times over these last few months. I wonder if they might try to get in on this Harden thing. He can say whatever he wants to but he's locked up for another 2.5 years and a move to Boston with Tatum would makes them the favorites in the East. IF, that were to happen it'd be something to think about for Boston if they wanna move up and get a higher pick for Houston or just send the whole lot over to them.

[Crives]

Well... hopefully this is the last draft we get excited about for a long time after today.

[bwgood77]

Well... hopefully this is the last draft we get excited about for a long time after today.

C'mon, GoK would be excited even if our only pick was #60!

[Ghost of Kleine]

Interesting. So in your scenario that should make Haliburton available to us yes? That's just as good as Hayes imo. I personally don't think he falls past NYK. I'd happily take him if he's there. As to the trade down. If Toppin, Hayes, Haliburton and Vassell are all of the board I can be talked into a trade down- though if ALL of those dudes are gone than someone like a Deni or a Okgongwu might've dropped inexplicably.

I wish that were so brother, But honestly, The consensus among the majority of scouts and front office personnel is that Haliburton will absolutely be the 2nd guard off the board after Ball. Many just prefer Haliburtons' elite intangibles that escalate his value over Hayes. Here's how I see it basically playing out.

1- Minnesota: Edwards.
2- Golden State: Wiseman.
3- Charlotte: Ball.
4- Chicago: Deni Avdija.
5- Cleveland: Devin Vassell.
6- Atlanta: Haliburton.
7- Detroit: Toppin.
8- New York: Hayes.
9- Washington: Okungwu.
10- Phoenix: Trades pick! ( Trade back scenario).

** Phoenix trades Back with Boston for 14/ 26. + Kanter ( veteran added). If Boston, They'll draft either Pat Williams or

To Minnesota for the 16/ 33 with Omari Spellman ( veteran added). If Minnesota, They'll draft Okoro or Nesmith.

To Dallas for the 18/31 with Jalen Brunson and WCS ( veteran's added). If Dallas, They'll draft either Okoro or Aaron Nesmith.

That would be the worst case scenario for guys I want haha. I can see it happening though I guess. That Boston trade is interesting as you've mentioned them numerous times over these last few months. I wonder if they might try to get in on this Harden thing. He can say whatever he wants to but he's locked up for another 2.5 years and a move to Boston with Tatum would makes them the favorites in the East. IF, that were to happen it'd be something to think about for Boston if they wanna move up and get a higher pick for Houston or just send the whole lot over to them.

Exactly! They could use that 10th pick along with Kemba Walker/ Daniel Theiss/ Robert Williams/ 4 firsts/ and the 10th pick for Harden?
https://tradenba.com/trades/DPHGjqeom

However, Would/ should we consider this variation as a 3rd team facilitator in order to get even more depth for our team?
Phoenix/ Boston/ Houston
https://tradenba.com/trades/I_KRtIOQO

Or perhaps this 4 team version:
Phoenix/ Detroit/ Boston/ Houston
https://tradenba.com/trades/SeVdO_w4Q

This ( post Chris Paul trade) gets us PJ Tucker and Luke Kennard for Kaminsky/ Diallo/ Okobo/ 10th pick/ teo future 2nds.

Although personally I'd rather just:
1- Trade the 10 to Boston for the 14 and 26.
14- Draft Tyrell Terry or Kira Lewis.
26- Draft Tyler Bey or Xavier Tillman.
Buy a 2nd** Draft Daniel Oturu or Vernon Carey.

So basically we've added:
- Chris Paul.
- PJ Tucker 7 million (absorbed into MLE).
- Shaquille Harrison 2 million ( Bi annual).
- Rondae Hollis Jefferson 2 million ( Bi annual).

- Tyrell Terry ( Elite IQ and Elite Shooting).
- Tyler Bey ( Elite multipositional lockdown defensive wing).
- Daniel Oturu ( Elite versatile defensive/ floor spacing center).


- Paul/ Terry/ Payne.
- Booker/ Harrison/ Carter.
- Bridges/ RHJ/ T Bey.
- Cam/ Tucker/ Saric.
- Ayton/ Saric/ Oturu.

[Crives]

Well... hopefully this is the last draft we get excited about for a long time after today.

C'mon, GoK would be excited even if our only pick was #60!

GOK going to be sad in 2022. I don’t think we own our 2022 second after the JJ trade right?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Well... hopefully this is the last draft we get excited about for a long time after today.

C'mon, GoK would be excited even if our only pick was #60!

Sure! Why not. If you have a good scouting staff, You can still extract solid value at a very low price! The top franchises know how to identify the best late 2nd - undrafted prospects. And understand the immense value that can be extracted from identifying high value hidden gems. We should learn to identify such underrated prospects. It's just good business to get really solid value on a minimal contract that would be alot more likely to outplay the value of their contracts, resulting in them being viewed as a positive asset. If it costs you almost nothing, And you happen to find an impact player, or at the very least a solid contributor, Then what's not to like about that?

This is also important in terms of depth, When you happen to be a team lacking cap flexibility and overall depth on your roster. The draft is an important aspect of acquiring low cost depth and also identifying potential high level contributors or high end talent. It's especially beneficial for smaller market teams that otherwise struggle to attract or secure talent otherwise. It's a very cost effective tool for any team, If you simply don't overlook it!


https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2905670-2020-nba-drafts-best-kept-secrets.amp.html

[Ghost of Kleine]

Well... hopefully this is the last draft we get excited about for a long time after today.

C'mon, GoK would be excited even if our only pick was #60!

GOK going to be sad in 2022. I don’t think we own our 2022 second after the JJ trade right?

Lol! Why would I be sad if we're actually still competitive?
If we can actually begin to attract legitimate premium talent in free agency for a change, instead of has been, cast offs, and declining bench players, etc. Then the draft isn't as paramount as it would be for us under past conditions. But perhaps we should try and exercise a bit more caution, Until we actually see how things turn out for us in 2022, Once Paul comes off the books huh?...lol

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[TheLogician]

Rockets pick at #16

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[thamadkant]

Draft Jalen Smith as big man depth and call it a day.

(Suns can get Tucker via a second rounder or two)

[Revived]

Wouldn’t Desmond Bane be kinda redundant with Cam Johnson? I don’t know much about him but from what I’ve read on scouting sites, he seems to be exact same type of prospect.

I wouldn’t mind it though because they say while he lacks athleticism, he’s got great basketball IQ and a great 3pt shooting stroke.

On the other hand, would be nice to get a PG that can learn from behind CP3 and Payne (or Augustin ~ another name thrown around here).

Unless they think Jevon Carter is that guy who can be the future starting PG for us. I like Carter and I’m glad they kept him.

[Slim Charless]

Draft Jalen Smith as big man depth and call it a day.

(Suns can get Tucker via a second rounder or two)

We can probably trade with Houston (for Tucker) and still grab Smith at 16. That would give us some depth and toughness. We'd still need a better backup PG though.

[RedIndian]

Tucker is 35, and I really don't think it's worth dropping down in the draft just to get him.

I also think that we need to take a PG now frankly. If Hayes falls to #10, I'd be very tempted to take him. Else just take Kira.

Not sure what we'd be achieving by trading down. I could see Jones really coveting Bane with a lower pick, but I'd be concerned about our thin PG rotation. Also think we need to have a succession plan in place post Paul.

[thamadkant]

Draft Jalen Smith as big man depth and call it a day.

(Suns can get Tucker via a second rounder or two)

We can probably trade with Houston (for Tucker) and still grab Smith at 16. That would give us some depth and toughness. We'd still need a better backup PG though.

Suns has Payne and Carter... But another combo veteran guard would help as they try for a playoff spot. A rookie PG is not priority for a team gunning for a playoff spot.. Need veterans. Suns can get a rookie PG in two years time.

Jalen Smith is attracting some teams... Celtics I imagine as being really keen. Smith has that Ibaka and Horford type game style.

[thamadkant]

Tucker is 35, and I really don't think it's worth dropping down in the draft just to get him.

I also think that we need to take a PG now frankly. If Hayes falls to #10, I'd be very tempted to take him. Else just take Kira.

Not sure what we'd be achieving by trading down. I could see Jones really coveting Bane with a lower pick, but I'd be concerned about our thin PG rotation. Also think we need to have a succession plan in place post Paul.

Agreed on Tucker.

But Killian Hayes will not be there at pick 10...
He is likely to go top 5... This is a weak draft and he's one of the more intriguing players worth gambling on.

[Revived]

I think it’s fairly obvious that Aaron Nesmith will be the Suns pick.

He fits everything that James Jones looks for in players (3pt shooting/no athleticism/injuries).

Kid is arguably the greatest shooter of the entire draft too.

[Bogyo]

I would really be aboard on the 10+Frank for Tucker and 16! Although I feel that would put us into a position where we "have" to take a PG/SG at that spot instead of BPA, but not the worst thing ever if Hayes/Lewis/Riller is there. Bring back Saric, and get a good wing with the MLE and CP's connections, fill out with any halfway productive ring chasing vet for the bi-annual, and we are good to go.
With some luck, that team is in the WCF.

[Blonde]

I'm not too interested in Bane. I'd be fine with him in a trade back scenario but even then I feel like this draft pick should be more of an investment. We (hopefully) won't be picking in the lottery again for a while, and we don't need this player to come in and make an immediate impact. We can afford to wait and let this play develop into a foundational piece for once Chris is gone.