The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[thapharcyd]

Well I do mean Melo, but Kobe even moreso.

Melo took $6M less over 5 years, but still got over $122 million, which was far more he could get anywhere else. Most he could have gotten elsewhere was probably something like 4 years, $88 million or something like that.

So he took about $1.2 million per year less than the NY max.

Dirk took $25 million instead of probably about $80 million.

I don't begrudge Melo one bit. Just don't tell me its about winning. As it was about the money first
which is okay
But its not about winning

But Melo is different from LeBron, Kobe and Duncan. Those guys are past their prime. Carmelo still has 6 good years left.

NBA players especially those in their prime are stupid and idiotic to take pay cuts. Why the f**k should these players help their billionaire owners? It reminds me of the slave mentality to be honest. These superstar players go bust their ass and then are forced to take paycuts to help put decent players around their team.

The owners RAPED the players in the last CBA negotiations and this is just another example of that. The owners still get to do whatever the hell they want.

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Marc Stein has never been more on point in his life.

I don't blame the owners for not wanting to pay so much. So many NBA players are crybabies. Owning a basketball team is no different than any other BUSINESS. The top expense is payroll. The players have way too much power in my opinion. Demanding trades and who is around them etc. Its ridiculous. Most of these "billionaire owners" you speak of had to work very hard for their money. Not everyone is lucky enough to be a professional athlete and get everything on a platter.

You could also ask why these billionaire owners should help the spoiled athletes?

[drewsprocket]

Boozer isn't bad at the right price. He doesn't fulfill the entire need but perhaps a short term deal is fine. We're not turning up a better player at that position without a trade. He can board and shoot at a good enough clip. Keef will still get the lion's share of the minutes.

[jredsaz]

That's what they are doing. They obviously aren't at a stage where they can carry the team on their own so they take less money so the team can get help. They surely aren't doing it for the bank account of their billionaire owner.

That's the point, gentlemen. The Salary cap itself is what helps the owners save money. These players are put in a position where they have to take less than their actual value in order to compete. That's a product of the system negotiated in the CBA. That is what Stien is complaining about. It is a bad system.

Yeah, but if the salary cap was higher, all it would do is create more super teams. Either that or you would still be in the same boat...max salaries would be higher and you'd have guys like Kobe and Melo making 35 and others may still take less than the max to be on a better team. Things probably wouldn't change much other than the cap being higher, which would probably just mean salaries and maxes overall would be higher. Marc Stein obviously doesn't understand finances or the CBA because no matter how much the cap went up, if the salary structure was the same, Dirk might make more than he does, but he'd still be taking a similar percentage cut to make his team better.

Players have a choice. Players make plenty of money. Most of the owners are self made millionaires (some billionaires). They don't make THAT much money. Honestly, a guy making a full max salary makes more than a lot of owners in one season. First of all, many teams have multiple owners. Secondly, not all teams make money. Some lose money.

I don't think the players should be complaining too much. These guys are BY FAR the highest paid athletes in any sport, especially on avg. Some of the very highest paid in a few sports may make more, but that is probably very few.

I'm sorry buddy but he understands them fine. That's the point. The cap is based off of the the players take from the total revenue generated by the league. Stars should make more because they generate money for the league. Players are the reason there is television money. TV money paces the value the franchises.

Any system that Max's out LBJ at $20 Mil/year is laughable. Moreover, the assumption that these guys make enough money because they make a lot of money in nonsense.

[Sunsdeuce]

Well I do mean Melo, but Kobe even moreso.

Melo took $6M less over 5 years, but still got over $122 million, which was far more he could get anywhere else. Most he could have gotten elsewhere was probably something like 4 years, $88 million or something like that.

So he took about $1.2 million per year less than the NY max.

Dirk took $25 million instead of probably about $80 million.

I don't begrudge Melo one bit. Just don't tell me its about winning. As it was about the money first
which is okay
But its not about winning

But Melo is different from LeBron, Kobe and Duncan. Those guys are past their prime. Carmelo still has 6 good years left.

NBA players especially those in their prime are stupid and idiotic to take pay cuts. Why the f**k should these players help their billionaire owners? It reminds me of the slave mentality to be honest. These superstar players go bust their ass and then are forced to take paycuts to help put decent players around their team.

The owners RAPED the players in the last CBA negotiations and this is just another example of that. The owners still get to do whatever the hell they want.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/489140025150693377[/tweet]

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Marc Stein has never been more on point in his life.

I don't blame the owners for not wanting to pay so much. So many NBA players are crybabies. Owning a basketball team is no different than any other BUSINESS. The top expense is payroll. The players have way too much power in my opinion. Demanding trades and who is around them etc. Its ridiculous. Most of these "billionaire owners" you speak of had to work very hard for their money. Not everyone is lucky enough to be a professional athlete and get everything on a platter.

You could also ask why these billionaire owners should help the spoiled athletes?

Don't think a player making
"guaranteed" millions is getting rapped at all. I have no sympathy for something making millions who does not have any marketable skill other than playing a sport that most people play on their off time. Sorry.

If anything, I think the nba needs to adopt the nfl system. If your not cutting it on the court, you get cut. I want to met someone who basically is worthless at work but keeps his job. That's not how life is.

I personally think nba players are overpaid. Without the NBA, lebron is just another tall guy bagging your groceries at your local grocery store in Cleveland.



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[thamadkant]

Team owners = Employers
Basketball players = Employees

Team owners who are not "happy" with their profit margin or cash flow = Cut staff, cut employment, benefits etc.

Basketball players who are not "happy" with their pay = Play anyways or demand trade.

From a fan perspective, a healthy franchise cash flow down the line will spend it on players anyways.... but unhappy cash flow, they end up trading away expensive players for cheaper players or rookie contracts.
Not as direct as that... but somewhere in between.

[NaturalBuns]

If you think nba players are crybabies about money you must not watch the NFL.

[Moochthemonkey]

I don't know. I hated him on Cleveland, I hated him on Team USA, and I hated him on Utah. I mostly cannot stand how he screams so loudly after making shots or the fact that his shot has the biggest arch in the league. I just hate his game and want him nowhere near the Suns. Obviously my bias against him is totally irrational, unjustified, and makes no sense, but I do not care, I just do not like him haha.

Well you're talking to the right guy- Sunsdeuce knows a thing or two about irrational, unjustified hatred lol

Oh here we go! Your another, "I'm right, your wrong" type of guy. God forbid, someone not fall in line with everyone else. Stupid comments like monkey boy make this place so fun!


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Glad you're enjoying yourself!! I never said you were wrong, just irrational lol

[Revived]

Without the NBA, lebron is just another tall guy bagging your groceries at your local grocery store in Cleveland.

Come on man. LeBron is the most athletic human being on the planet. Even if basketball didn't exist, this guy would be beasting in football or track and field etc.

[jredsaz]

Without the NBA, lebron is just another tall guy bagging your groceries at your local grocery store in Cleveland.



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Seriously?

[Sunsdeuce]

Without the NBA, lebron is just another tall guy bagging your groceries at your local grocery store in Cleveland.

Come on man. LeBron is the most athletic human being on the planet. Even if basketball didn't exist, this guy would be beasting in football or track and field etc.

Brock lesner thought the same thing. He was/is an athletic freak of nature. He didn't make if a week in the Vikings try outs.


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[Sunsdeuce]

Without the NBA, lebron is just another tall guy bagging your groceries at your local grocery store in Cleveland.



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Seriously?

Exactly what could he do? He has no education other than a high school diploma.

But please enlighten me what he could do? I'm dying to know.

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[bigfoot]

That's the point, gentlemen. The Salary cap itself is what helps the owners save money. These players are put in a position where they have to take less than their actual value in order to compete. That's a product of the system negotiated in the CBA. That is what Stien is complaining about. It is a bad system.

Yeah, but if the salary cap was higher, all it would do is create more super teams. Either that or you would still be in the same boat...max salaries would be higher and you'd have guys like Kobe and Melo making 35 and others may still take less than the max to be on a better team. Things probably wouldn't change much other than the cap being higher, which would probably just mean salaries and maxes overall would be higher. Marc Stein obviously doesn't understand finances or the CBA because no matter how much the cap went up, if the salary structure was the same, Dirk might make more than he does, but he'd still be taking a similar percentage cut to make his team better.

Players have a choice. Players make plenty of money. Most of the owners are self made millionaires (some billionaires). They don't make THAT much money. Honestly, a guy making a full max salary makes more than a lot of owners in one season. First of all, many teams have multiple owners. Secondly, not all teams make money. Some lose money.

I don't think the players should be complaining too much. These guys are BY FAR the highest paid athletes in any sport, especially on avg. Some of the very highest paid in a few sports may make more, but that is probably very few.

I'm sorry buddy but he understands them fine. That's the point. The cap is based off of the the players take from the total revenue generated by the league. Stars should make more because they generate money for the league. Players are the reason there is television money. TV money paces the value the franchises.

Any system that Max's out LBJ at $20 Mil/year is laughable. Moreover, the assumption that these guys make enough money because they make a lot of money in nonsense.

Tell that to the NFL players. Chandler Parsons makes more than the best paid NFL player. You don't hear NFL players whining about low pay. NFL players restructure all the time so their teams can go out and get new players. In general NBA players are overpaid babies.

[Sunsdeuce]

Yeah, but if the salary cap was higher, all it would do is create more super teams. Either that or you would still be in the same boat...max salaries would be higher and you'd have guys like Kobe and Melo making 35 and others may still take less than the max to be on a better team. Things probably wouldn't change much other than the cap being higher, which would probably just mean salaries and maxes overall would be higher. Marc Stein obviously doesn't understand finances or the CBA because no matter how much the cap went up, if the salary structure was the same, Dirk might make more than he does, but he'd still be taking a similar percentage cut to make his team better.

Players have a choice. Players make plenty of money. Most of the owners are self made millionaires (some billionaires). They don't make THAT much money. Honestly, a guy making a full max salary makes more than a lot of owners in one season. First of all, many teams have multiple owners. Secondly, not all teams make money. Some lose money.

I don't think the players should be complaining too much. These guys are BY FAR the highest paid athletes in any sport, especially on avg. Some of the very highest paid in a few sports may make more, but that is probably very few.

I'm sorry buddy but he understands them fine. That's the point. The cap is based off of the the players take from the total revenue generated by the league. Stars should make more because they generate money for the league.
Any system that Max's out LBJ at $20 Mil/year is laughable. Moreover, the assumption that these guys make enough money because they make a lot of money in nonsense.

Tell that to the NFL players. Chandler Parsons makes more than the best paid NFL player. You don't hear NFL players whining about low pay. NFL players restructure all the time so their teams can go out and get new players. In general NBA players are overpaid babies.

This man gets it!!!!! So true. I love basketball but if it wasn't around everyone would be just fine.


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Without the NBA, lebron is just another tall guy bagging your groceries at your local grocery store in Cleveland.

Come on man. LeBron is the most athletic human being on the planet. Even if basketball didn't exist, this guy would be beasting in football or track and field etc.

Brock lesner thought the same thing. He was/is an athletic freak of nature. He didn't make if a week in the Vikings try outs.


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Even if not football, his opportunities are endless.

[SunZel]

Just noticed that it seems like all those new posters from that other site that went down disappeared.

[Sunsdeuce]

Just noticed that it seems like all those new posters from that other site that went down disappeared.

They couldn't hang with the madness here.


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[thamadkant]

Without the NBA, lebron is just another tall guy bagging your groceries at your local grocery store in Cleveland.



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Seriously?

Exactly what could he do? He has no education other than a high school diploma.

But please enlighten me what he could do? I'm dying to know.

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Seriously, your ignorance is incredible.

If there was no NBA... then athletic tall players would aspire to do other things... flipping burgers or bagging groceries are just 2 things out of hundreds of things they can do... you coming down to a conclusion that he will bag groceries is probably racist, if not just incredibly ignorant.

I'm sure Lebron's mum would make sure he finish high school, aim for a college or technical education... or if not, he could try to do other sports.

[Sunsdeuce]

Come on man. LeBron is the most athletic human being on the planet. Even if basketball didn't exist, this guy would be beasting in football or track and field etc.

Brock lesner thought the same thing. He was/is an athletic freak of nature. He didn't make if a week in the Vikings try outs.


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Even if not football, his opportunities are endless.

Your my boy, but I don't agree on this subject.

Anyway, let's talk suns trade. Who we getting?


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[kingstyyyle]

Come on man. LeBron is the most athletic human being on the planet. Even if basketball didn't exist, this guy would be beasting in football or track and field etc.

Brock lesner thought the same thing. He was/is an athletic freak of nature. He didn't make if a week in the Vikings try outs.


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Even if not football, his opportunities are endless.

I don't understand what someone would do for work besides work a dead end job without a college education no matter what body type they have. It reminds me of my 26 year old stripper friend named Mary. She has no education and her resume is all strip clubs. Shes' hot as hell but I doubt she gets a good job after her stripping days.

[Sunsdeuce]

Seriously?

Exactly what could he do? He has no education other than a high school diploma.

But please enlighten me what he could do? I'm dying to know.

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Seriously, your ignorance is incredible.

If there was no NBA... then athletic tall players would aspire to do other things... flipping burgers or bagging groceries are just 2 things out of hundreds of things they can do... you coming down to a conclusion that he will bag groceries is probably racist, if not just incredibly ignorant.

I'm sure Lebron's mum would make sure he finish high school, aim for a college or technical education... or if not, he could try to do other sports.

So I'm racist against myself. I bagged groceries when I was in high school.

Seriously, your ignorance is incredible.




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