Fantasy Basketball !!!!!!!!!

[b-ball forever]

Any fantasy league takes skill, but in ROTO the best team ALWAYS wins if managed correctly, while in H2H there is a very big luck factor.

I disagree, as I explained in my last post. If you think avoiding players with injuries is a skill you could be right, but the best team may not alway win in roto. I shy away in general from injury prone players anyway, but I especially do so in roto.

As previously stated, a short term injury kills u in H2H playoffs, while it doesn't in ROTO. A player suspension or a week with less games played by your best players also kills you in H2H but not in ROTO. Only the long term injuries affect both (even tho it's more so in H2H since it's easier to find a replacement over the long term than the short term), but there's a whole lot more to the game than that.

I've lost matchups in H2H were my team was significantly better than the opposition, but a combination of short term bad luck events made me lose the matchup.

Durant + Lebron + Harden could lose against Aldridge + Wall + Melo in H2H, but that would NEVER happen in ROTO

[bwgood77]

Any fantasy league takes skill, but in ROTO the best team ALWAYS wins if managed correctly, while in H2H there is a very big luck factor.

I disagree, as I explained in my last post. If you think avoiding players with injuries is a skill you could be right, but the best team may not alway win in roto. I shy away in general from injury prone players anyway, but I especially do so in roto.

As previously stated, a short term injury kills u in H2H playoffs, while it doesn't in ROTO. A player suspension or a week with less games played by your best players also kills you in H2H but not in ROTO. Only the long term injuries affect both (even tho it's more so in H2H since it's easier to find a replacement over the long term than the short term), but there's a whole lot more to the game than that.

I've lost matchups in H2H were my team was significantly better than the opposition, but a combination of short term bad luck events made me lose the matchup.

Durant + Lebron + Harden could lose against Aldridge + Wall + Melo in H2H, but that would NEVER happen in ROTO

Were you in H2H category or H2H overall? In category, you can go 8-0 each week if you have a good team and make up time fast. If you are talking about H2H overall, I agree with what you say. I think by category makes more sense though because if you win three categories out of 8, you should be 3-5 at the end of the week, not 0-1.

Edit: I just saw you meant playoffs. Well that is of course true. Sounds like it happened to you. In general though, I think more people will remain more interested in H2H because you won't get WAY behind due to an injury during the season.

[b-ball forever]

I disagree, as I explained in my last post. If you think avoiding players with injuries is a skill you could be right, but the best team may not alway win in roto. I shy away in general from injury prone players anyway, but I especially do so in roto.

As previously stated, a short term injury kills u in H2H playoffs, while it doesn't in ROTO. A player suspension or a week with less games played by your best players also kills you in H2H but not in ROTO. Only the long term injuries affect both (even tho it's more so in H2H since it's easier to find a replacement over the long term than the short term), but there's a whole lot more to the game than that.

I've lost matchups in H2H were my team was significantly better than the opposition, but a combination of short term bad luck events made me lose the matchup.

Durant + Lebron + Harden could lose against Aldridge + Wall + Melo in H2H, but that would NEVER happen in ROTO

Were you in H2H category or H2H overall? In category, you can go 8-0 each week if you have a good team and make up time fast. If you are talking about H2H overall, I agree with what you say. I think by category makes more sense though because if you win three categories out of 8, you should be 3-5 at the end of the week, not 0-1.

Edit: I just saw you meant playoffs. Well that is of course true. Sounds like it happened to you. In general though, I think more people will remain more interested in H2H because you won't get WAY behind due to an injury during the season.

It was categories. The advantage of H2H over ROTO is the interactivity between managers with the diff matchups, but in terms of fairness ROTO trumps H2H. I even forgot to mention good players having off weeks and scrubs going beast mode short term (like Jennings' 50 plus point game) that have a big effect on H2H leagues but not ROTO leagues.

[sunskerr]

Sent out three invites to CalvinKlein, Bwgood77 and phystic.

-Sunskerr
-CalvinKlein
-Bwgood77
-phystic

My friend is pending currently. I will probably create another thread soon with details and a better list of confirmed/pending. That will also help us get the word out. Again, we're definitely still open. If you want to join, let me know by posting here or (much preferred) by sending me a PM. This will be an offline draft on this board for sure.

If you need more, and don't have enough at some point, I'm sure my brother would do it too.

That's cool. Expect a thread within the next 12 hrs.

[Phystic]

As previously stated, a short term injury kills u in H2H playoffs, while it doesn't in ROTO. A player suspension or a week with less games played by your best players also kills you in H2H but not in ROTO. Only the long term injuries affect both (even tho it's more so in H2H since it's easier to find a replacement over the long term than the short term), but there's a whole lot more to the game than that.

I've lost matchups in H2H were my team was significantly better than the opposition, but a combination of short term bad luck events made me lose the matchup.

Durant + Lebron + Harden could lose against Aldridge + Wall + Melo in H2H, but that would NEVER happen in ROTO

Were you in H2H category or H2H overall? In category, you can go 8-0 each week if you have a good team and make up time fast. If you are talking about H2H overall, I agree with what you say. I think by category makes more sense though because if you win three categories out of 8, you should be 3-5 at the end of the week, not 0-1.

Edit: I just saw you meant playoffs. Well that is of course true. Sounds like it happened to you. In general though, I think more people will remain more interested in H2H because you won't get WAY behind due to an injury during the season.

It was categories. The advantage of H2H over ROTO is the interactivity between managers with the diff matchups, but in terms of fairness ROTO trumps H2H. I even forgot to mention good players having off weeks and scrubs going beast mode short term (like Jennings' 50 plus point game) that have a big effect on H2H leagues but not ROTO leagues.

So basically you are saying that once you draft the roto league is essentially over. You don't have to worry or plan as much, there is no interactivity with other managers, usually less trades, big games and hot/cold streaks are less meaningful, etc.

I would MUCH rather have a league with a little uncertainty and more entertainment than a league where I just keep setting my lineup to accumulate stats.

I realize we just have differing opinions and that's fine. But it really is shocking to me to see multiple people saying Roto leagues are better/more fun than H2H. Basically H2H is closer to a real NBA season with up and down cycles and big games winning match ups you wouldn't otherwise, etc.

[b-ball forever]

Were you in H2H category or H2H overall? In category, you can go 8-0 each week if you have a good team and make up time fast. If you are talking about H2H overall, I agree with what you say. I think by category makes more sense though because if you win three categories out of 8, you should be 3-5 at the end of the week, not 0-1.

Edit: I just saw you meant playoffs. Well that is of course true. Sounds like it happened to you. In general though, I think more people will remain more interested in H2H because you won't get WAY behind due to an injury during the season.

It was categories. The advantage of H2H over ROTO is the interactivity between managers with the diff matchups, but in terms of fairness ROTO trumps H2H. I even forgot to mention good players having off weeks and scrubs going beast mode short term (like Jennings' 50 plus point game) that have a big effect on H2H leagues but not ROTO leagues.

So basically you are saying that once you draft the roto league is essentially over. You don't have to worry or plan as much, there is no interactivity with other managers, usually less trades, big games and hot/cold streaks are less meaningful, etc.

I would MUCH rather have a league with a little uncertainty and more entertainment than a league where I just keep setting my lineup to accumulate stats.

I realize we just have differing opinions and that's fine. But it really is shocking to me to see multiple people saying Roto leagues are better/more fun than H2H. Basically H2H is closer to a real NBA season with up and down cycles and big games winning match ups you wouldn't otherwise, etc.

The league isn't any more over after the draft in ROTO than H2H. Just like in H2H, still gotta watch the FA's, and try coming up with trades. Depending on your strategy and the league settings, u don't necessarily have to update your roster as often in ROTO as in H2H, but still gotta update as often as necessary in a league with advanced level managers like we're playing in. There's just as much planning, but the strategies are very different.

If you're more of a fan of taunting opponents during matchups, having more uncertainty, and don't mind losing against a weaker team than your's, then H2H is the way to go

[DRK]

I've lost matchups in H2H were my team was significantly better than the opposition, but a combination of short term bad luck events made me lose the matchup.

Durant + Lebron + Harden could lose against Aldridge + Wall + Melo in H2H, but that would NEVER happen in ROTO

This x1000

I came second in my H2H league last season.. by losing in the finals to a team who started Jermaine O'Neal, Andray Blatche and Kyle O'Quinn, and who's best player was Nikola Vucevic.... whilst I had Anthony Davis, Goran Dragic, Al Jefferson, Mike Conley, and Al Jefferson.

What a joke

[bwgood77]

Ok people, i have now gotten 2 emails from people in last years Premier League asking me to renew the League with Yahoo, but first things first, who is all in and ready to play this year????? We need to know who is returning this year, how many will be demoted/promoted, and if we still want 14 players to a league or less. Now is the time to let your voice be heard!

The Prestigious Premier League Draft Order & Team Names:

1. DRK
2. Miami4Ever
3. Kerrsed - Biz Markieff
4. Nevetsov
5. Calvin Klein
6. TASTIC
7. sunskerr
8. Koplegend
9. Zero Tolerance
10. Mirv
11. coldbyfletch
12. bwgood77 - GORAN TO WARREN!
13. Kobe>Jordan>God
14. Gaspar

I updated my team name.

[Kyler Murray]

I'm itching to see the draft order results for the d-league every time I log in, I'm hoping to avoid a second to last placement like last year. Miklo do your magic. (Have I said that you're an awesome mod??)

[Miklo]

I'm itching to see the draft order results for the d-league every time I log in, I'm hoping to avoid a second to last placement like last year. Miklo do your magic. (Have I said that you're an awesome mod??)

Yeah, I'm with ya... I know it's still early, but I have this problem where once I start thinking about fantasy sports I get obsessive. Been checking the Yahoo league at least every hour so that I can get the draft order randomized as soon as SS joins the league. Sent a follow-up yesterday so hopefully we'll have a full league shortly.

[Phystic]

I've lost matchups in H2H were my team was significantly better than the opposition, but a combination of short term bad luck events made me lose the matchup.

Durant + Lebron + Harden could lose against Aldridge + Wall + Melo in H2H, but that would NEVER happen in ROTO

This x1000

I came second in my H2H league last season.. by losing in the finals to a team who started Jermaine O'Neal, Andray Blatche and Kyle O'Quinn, and who's best player was Nikola Vucevic.... whilst I had Anthony Davis, Goran Dragic, Al Jefferson, Mike Conley, and Al Jefferson.

What a joke

Clearly you lost because you were cheating by trying to roster Al Jefferson twice

But in all seriousness, that's unfortunate but I also have doubts about the accuracy of this. I'm guessing he made a lot of acquisitions in the finals to get more games played because there is no reason for JO to be rostered and Kyle OQuinn had a couple decent games at the end and that's it. Vucevic as the best player? What happened to his top 3-4 picks then?

There's clearly more to both teams than you really put in the post but really that kind of thing happens. Warriors upset the Mavericks in the playoffs. Spurs crushed the Heat. Wizards made the playoffs but the Suns didn't. Things happen, it's part of the game. And it's also part of the strategy of fantasy. It's not just a matter of whoever drafts the best players win. Anyone who plays fantasy should know that.

[bwgood77]

So it's the formats fault when you lose the championship. I see.

[b-ball forever]

If SS doesn't sign up soon, I think we should replace him with BringinDaRuckus

Well well, it has now been a full week since the D-League got created, and still no sign of Sun Scorched.

Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned that seems like a total lack of interest in the fantasy league on his part, the rest of us all signed up within 24 hours.

So, unless peeps are keen on going through with a nightmare offline draft, I suggest bringing in a replacement player.

[bwgood77]

If SS doesn't sign up soon, I think we should replace him with BringinDaRuckus

Well well, it has now been a full week since the D-League got created, and still no sign of Sun Scorched.

Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned that seems like a total lack of interest in the fantasy league on his part, the rest of us all signed up within 24 hours.

So, unless peeps are keen on going through with a nightmare offline draft, I suggest bringing in a replacement player.

I assume he was at least sent a PM, which he should see in an email? If that was done, I agree it's time to move on or at least temporarily replace him with someone in the chinese league to get the draft order done, and then if he shows up, maybe he can get his team back as long as the draft hasn't started.

[b-ball forever]

If SS doesn't sign up soon, I think we should replace him with BringinDaRuckus

Well well, it has now been a full week since the D-League got created, and still no sign of Sun Scorched.

Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned that seems like a total lack of interest in the fantasy league on his part, the rest of us all signed up within 24 hours.

So, unless peeps are keen on going through with a nightmare offline draft, I suggest bringing in a replacement player.

I assume he was at least sent a PM, which he should see in an email? If that was done, I agree it's time to move on or at least temporarily replace him with someone in the chinese league to get the draft order done, and then if he shows up, maybe he can get his team back as long as the draft hasn't started.

Ya, he actually already got sent 2 PMs, at least one of which he already read!!!

[Miklo]

Well well, it has now been a full week since the D-League got created, and still no sign of Sun Scorched.

Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned that seems like a total lack of interest in the fantasy league on his part, the rest of us all signed up within 24 hours.

So, unless peeps are keen on going through with a nightmare offline draft, I suggest bringing in a replacement player.

I assume he was at least sent a PM, which he should see in an email? If that was done, I agree it's time to move on or at least temporarily replace him with someone in the chinese league to get the draft order done, and then if he shows up, maybe he can get his team back as long as the draft hasn't started.

Ya, he actually already got sent 2 PMs, at least one of which he already read!!!

Yeah, I agree. It's still early but I don't want people to start losing interest, we have 11 people very engaged and wanting to start strategizing (is that really not a word??) based on draft pick. I am hesitant because SS has been active in the fantasy leagues for so many years and tends to have pretty solid draft strategies, but we can swap him with BDR out of the Chinese league if he goes another 24 hours (it's been 48 since my follow-up PM and a week since the invite) and then maybe he'll show up by the time they are ready to finalize that league and still get to play down there. Sound good?

[TASTIC]

Both CP3 and Westbrook scare me cos of their injury history.

CP3 has missed a LOT of games over a few seasons - 6, 12 and 20 last 3 seasons, that's a bad upward trend as he gets to 30.

I think the thing that would sway me toward Russ (and is), is the fact he put up 21.8pts 5.7reb 6.9asst 1.9stl 1.5x 3s in only 30.7 MINUTES. That's absurd.

And his playoffs: 26.7pts 7.3reb 8.1asst 2.2stl 1.5x 3s in 19 games...

**And I know Russ has missed a lot of games too! But he's not human at times with how fast and explosive he is.

[thamadkant]

Head to head is more reliant on "good" team management than Roto.

I have corporate managers who play Fantasy basketball and they research deeply every day against their opponents.
If you are against a guard heavy team, you make decisions by foregoing steals, assists etc but you try to win the matchup through FG, rebounds, blocks, TOs and hopefully points. More strategy and planning is required.

Roto is more reliant on drafting well from the start, and putting a deep team covering as much stats.

Head to head requires more daily updates and risks.

Fantasy basketball is all about stats and roster manipulation to get the best stats. Head to head is more competitive.

With that said... I don't have much time these days to update on a deep and well research basis daily ... So Roto works well.
Prior to last season I always played head to head.. I like Roto as it's more relaxed and easier to manage.

[b-ball forever]

I assume he was at least sent a PM, which he should see in an email? If that was done, I agree it's time to move on or at least temporarily replace him with someone in the chinese league to get the draft order done, and then if he shows up, maybe he can get his team back as long as the draft hasn't started.

Ya, he actually already got sent 2 PMs, at least one of which he already read!!!

Yeah, I agree. It's still early but I don't want people to start losing interest, we have 11 people very engaged and wanting to start strategizing (is that really not a word??) based on draft pick. I am hesitant because SS has been active in the fantasy leagues for so many years and tends to have pretty solid draft strategies, but we can swap him with BDR out of the Chinese league if he goes another 24 hours (it's been 48 since my follow-up PM and a week since the invite) and then maybe he'll show up by the time they are ready to finalize that league and still get to play down there. Sound good?

Sounds good

Sun Scorched was a good manager in previous seasons, but for some reason last year he stopped running his team after 1 month, and finished dead last in the league... Not to mention taking over 12 hours for a few picks during the draft. First time that happened in the premier league.

[Kerrsed]

You all are falling into Sun Scorched's head games already! He does this all the time. People are waiting on him, and starting to get upset and flustered. You give him a couple of soft-deadlines and you hear nothing. Finally issue a hard-deadline and he will magically show up at the 11th hour to let you know he is alive. Its his strategy. He is playing with your heads. People are anxious and getting mad and getting thrown off of their game, as they are playing right into his game.

Year after year after year...... i figured you guys would have learned by now.