Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum

[JDLAW]

I love Goran but I think it could make sense to deal him. Chicago seems like a decent trade partner because he could put them over the top. I'd love butler but doubt the bulls would part with him. I'd be intrigued with a deal centered around Nikola Mirotic. He hasn't done much but is only 23 and could be a nice building block.

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It makes no sense to trade Goran for a raw rookie.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I love Goran but I think it could make sense to deal him. Chicago seems like a decent trade partner because he could put them over the top. I'd love butler but doubt the bulls would part with him. I'd be intrigued with a deal centered around Nikola Mirotic. He hasn't done much but is only 23 and could be a nice building block.

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It makes no sense to trade Goran for a raw rookie.

well that just depends where this team is in a month or two. It's gonna be hard to make the playoffs out west so if the suns are sitting on the outside looking in come the Allstar break it might make perfect sense to trade Goran for a rookie. This suns roster is a work in progress. I'm not saying they should tank or anything but they do need to be think more about the future than the present in any move they make. Worst outcome would be finishing 9th or 10th out west and having Goran walk for nothing this summer. That's just poor asset management.

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[RedIndian]

Would anyone do the following?

Plumlee
Green
Ennis

for

Henson
Ilyasova

Henson's upside is much higher than Plumlee's and Ilyasova could be the stretch 4 that Dragic needs to flourish. Both players' stock is low with the Bucks and I think this is very doable.

I'd then start with:

Henson
Ilyasova
Tucker
Dragic
Bledsoe

With Len, Kieff, Marcus, Warren and Isiah off the bench. Swap Len for Henson if needed. Think that brings much more balance to the rotation. Staring line-up suits Dragic and Bledsoe more, and the bench is really strong.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Would anyone do the following?

Plumlee
Green
Ennis

for

Henson
Ilyasova

Henson's upside is much higher than Plumlee's and Ilyasova could be the stretch 4 that Dragic needs to flourish. Both players' stock is low with the Bucks and I think this is very doable.

I'd then start with:

Henson
Ilyasova
Tucker
Dragic
Bledsoe

With Len, Kieff, Marcus, Warren and Isiah off the bench. Swap Len for Henson if needed. Think that brings much more balance to the rotation. Staring line-up suits Dragic and Bledsoe more, and the bench is really strong.

I wouldn't. Bucks and suns are my two favorite teams so have tried to think of deals that could benefit both but this isn't one of them. I don't love Henson as a prospect and I'm not sure he's an upgrade over plumlee. Illysova is bad and owed a ton of money next yr. People call him a stretch 4 but the last 2 yrs he's shot under 30% from 3 and in his 7 yr career he's only shot decent from 3 twice and even this yrs he only made about 1 a game. No thanks

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[JDLAW]

Would anyone do the following?

Plumlee
Green
Ennis

for

Henson
Ilyasova

Henson's upside is much higher than Plumlee's and Ilyasova could be the stretch 4 that Dragic needs to flourish. Both players' stock is low with the Bucks and I think this is very doable.

I'd then start with:

Henson
Ilyasova
Tucker
Dragic
Bledsoe

With Len, Kieff, Marcus, Warren and Isiah off the bench. Swap Len for Henson if needed. Think that brings much more balance to the rotation. Staring line-up suits Dragic and Bledsoe more, and the bench is really strong.

NO!

[aIvin adams]

bledsoe and a gameworn matrix jersey for kyrie irving

[JDLAW]

I love Goran but I think it could make sense to deal him. Chicago seems like a decent trade partner because he could put them over the top. I'd love butler but doubt the bulls would part with him. I'd be intrigued with a deal centered around Nikola Mirotic. He hasn't done much but is only 23 and could be a nice building block.

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It makes no sense to trade Goran for a raw rookie.

well that just depends where this team is in a month or two. It's gonna be hard to make the playoffs out west so if the suns are sitting on the outside looking in come the Allstar break it might make perfect sense to trade Goran for a rookie. This suns roster is a work in progress. I'm not saying they should tank or anything but they do need to be think more about the future than the present in any move they make. Worst outcome would be finishing 9th or 10th out west and having Goran walk for nothing this summer. That's just poor asset management.

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Regardless of what Devaney and his "league sources" say, Goran is not going to walk. The Suns are going to make their best and most popular and most marketable player happy with a new contract.

They are not about to trade Dragic for an unproven rookie reserve.

This is not about asset management, it is about building a winning and contending team. Trading Dragic for what you suggest does not move the team toward that goal.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It makes no sense to trade Goran for a raw rookie.

well that just depends where this team is in a month or two. It's gonna be hard to make the playoffs out west so if the suns are sitting on the outside looking in come the Allstar break it might make perfect sense to trade Goran for a rookie. This suns roster is a work in progress. I'm not saying they should tank or anything but they do need to be think more about the future than the present in any move they make. Worst outcome would be finishing 9th or 10th out west and having Goran walk for nothing this summer. That's just poor asset management.

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Regardless of what Devaney and his "league sources" say, Goran is not going to walk. The Suns are going to make their best and most popular and most marketable player happy with a new contract.

They are not about to trade Dragic for an unproven rookie reserve.

This is not about asset management, it is about building a winning and contending team. Trading Dragic for what you suggest does not move the team toward that goal.

First off I want to clarify that if I was forced to bet on it right now I would say Goran resigns and is back. But; I don't think its as sure of a thing as you seem to believe. He's going to be an unrestricted FA and none of us know what type of deal the suns front office is comfortable giving him. Some people here were so sure Fry would be back this year and look what happened.


Building a winning and more importantly a contending team IS about asset management. This front office thinks long term; it's why they traded Gortat after deciding they didn't want to pay him what he was going to want in FA. It's why they didn't trade a pick for Gasol or some other vet to try to boost them into the playoffs last trade deadline or trade a 1st for a role player at the draft. Again; I think/hope Goran will be back but I do truly believe that if McD thinks trading him will help this team win a chip in a couple years he'll get moved even though he's a fan favorite.

Also i wasn't suggesting trading him straight up for Mirotic. it would be part of a bigger deal. But I stand by my belief that Mirotic could be a core piece moving forward. Big men with his skill set are rare.

[Revived]

It makes no sense to trade Goran for a raw rookie.

well that just depends where this team is in a month or two. It's gonna be hard to make the playoffs out west so if the suns are sitting on the outside looking in come the Allstar break it might make perfect sense to trade Goran for a rookie. This suns roster is a work in progress. I'm not saying they should tank or anything but they do need to be think more about the future than the present in any move they make. Worst outcome would be finishing 9th or 10th out west and having Goran walk for nothing this summer. That's just poor asset management.

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Regardless of what Devaney and his "league sources" say, Goran is not going to walk. The Suns are going to make their best and most popular and most marketable player happy with a new contract.

They are not about to trade Dragic for an unproven rookie reserve.

This is not about asset management, it is about building a winning and contending team. Trading Dragic for what you suggest does not move the team toward that goal.

I'm with you on that we should keep him here but I gurantee you that he will sign elsewhere if we continue with the 500 PG lineup.

He said it best, 3 PGs and one ball. It's common sense.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Plus with the salary cap about to explode some team could throw a max deal at Goran. Don't for a second believe he's going to leave money on the table to stay with the suns; that type of stuff just doesn't happen.

[RedIndian]

Would anyone do the following?

Plumlee
Green
Ennis

for

Henson
Ilyasova

Henson's upside is much higher than Plumlee's and Ilyasova could be the stretch 4 that Dragic needs to flourish. Both players' stock is low with the Bucks and I think this is very doable.

I'd then start with:

Henson
Ilyasova
Tucker
Dragic
Bledsoe

With Len, Kieff, Marcus, Warren and Isiah off the bench. Swap Len for Henson if needed. Think that brings much more balance to the rotation. Staring line-up suits Dragic and Bledsoe more, and the bench is really strong.

I wouldn't. Bucks and suns are my two favorite teams so have tried to think of deals that could benefit both but this isn't one of them. I don't love Henson as a prospect and I'm not sure he's an upgrade over plumlee. Illysova is bad and owed a ton of money next yr. People call him a stretch 4 but the last 2 yrs he's shot under 30% from 3 and in his 7 yr career he's only shot decent from 3 twice and even this yrs he only made about 1 a game. No thanks

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Hmm, I hear you. But my two cents - Ersan is owed $7.9 mil next year. If he reproduces his 2011-12 and 2012-13 numbers (13 ppg, 8 rpg with 45% from 3PT), I think that's worth the benefit it'll bring to our guards. Those are better numbers than Frye's. Ersan's been in the doghouse at Milwaukee since last season, but I suspect he'll thrive here with Bledsoe and Dragic dishing to him. He isn't a spectacular defender, but does have decent length, and is a very solid rebounder.

Re: Henson, I thought Bucks fan were pretty high on how he began last season (think he was averaging 15-8 for the first half of the season). I think he has the potential to be a poor man's Anthony Davis. He's supremely long, has soft hands and is a very good shot blocker. I do see him as an upgrade on Plumlee.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Would anyone do the following?

Plumlee
Green
Ennis

for

Henson
Ilyasova

Henson's upside is much higher than Plumlee's and Ilyasova could be the stretch 4 that Dragic needs to flourish. Both players' stock is low with the Bucks and I think this is very doable.

I'd then start with:

Henson
Ilyasova
Tucker
Dragic
Bledsoe

With Len, Kieff, Marcus, Warren and Isiah off the bench. Swap Len for Henson if needed. Think that brings much more balance to the rotation. Staring line-up suits Dragic and Bledsoe more, and the bench is really strong.

I wouldn't. Bucks and suns are my two favorite teams so have tried to think of deals that could benefit both but this isn't one of them. I don't love Henson as a prospect and I'm not sure he's an upgrade over plumlee. Illysova is bad and owed a ton of money next yr. People call him a stretch 4 but the last 2 yrs he's shot under 30% from 3 and in his 7 yr career he's only shot decent from 3 twice and even this yrs he only made about 1 a game. No thanks

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Hmm, I hear you. But my two cents - Ersan is owed $7.9 mil next year. If he reproduces his 2011-12 and 2012-13 numbers (13 ppg, 8 rpg with 45% from 3PT), I think that's worth the benefit it'll bring to our guards. Those are better numbers than Frye's. Ersan's been in the doghouse at Milwaukee since last season, but I suspect he'll thrive here with Bledsoe and Dragic dishing to him. He isn't a spectacular defender, but does have decent length, and is a very solid rebounder.

Re: Henson, I thought Bucks fan were pretty high on how he began last season (think he was averaging 15-8 for the first half of the season). I think he has the potential to be a poor man's Anthony Davis. He's supremely long, has soft hands and is a very good shot blocker. I do see him as an upgrade on Plumlee.

With Ersan I guess it comes down to if you believe the two good years (1 1/2 really because he sucked to start 2012) are what he is or were a fluke. He shot over 40% from 3 those years but only took about 2 a game. Theres also a pretty common belief he's really 2-3 years older than is listed so he's really around 30 and not 27.

Henson is hard to judge. he's had some huge stat games and is incredibly long. But he's not a smart defender and is so skinny he gets bullied in the post. He's got some post offense but is useless outside of 5 feet and can't hit free throws. I don't fault you for liking him more than I do; he's one of those players who some of his good skills are intriguing but my personal opinion is the bad things he does out way the good.

[Zelaznyrules]

bledsoe and a gameworn matrix jersey for kyrie irving

If we absolutely had to make a trade limited to these three assets, I'd trade Bledsoe for the game worn Matrix jersey and just say no thanks to Irving. I want no part of Kyrie or his absurd contract. He has some value as a player, roughly akin to that of Isaiah Thomas. Or did you mean to put your comment in green?

[JDLAW]

I'm with you on that we should keep him here but I gurantee you that he will sign elsewhere if we continue with the 500 PG lineup.

He said it best, 3 PGs and one ball. It's common sense.

Understand your concern, but he is at the top of the heap with respect to the Suns guards. The teams that might go after him NY, LAL, HOU are all less desirable locations for Dragic. In NY Jackson/Fisher run the triangle and do not favor point guards. The Lakers seldom take the ball out of Kobe's hands and the same is true for the Rockets and Harden.

First off I want to clarify that if I was forced to bet on it right now I would say Goran resigns and is back. But; I don't think its as sure of a thing as you seem to believe. He's going to be an unrestricted FA and none of us know what type of deal the suns front office is comfortable giving him. Some people here were so sure Fry would be back this year and look what happened.

The Suns have already stated they have plenty of money (max if necessary) and years (5 if necessary) to keep him. They can pay him more and for longer. Moreover, he has roots (wife and children and brother) here. He is not going anywhere.

Building a winning and more importantly a contending team IS about asset management. This front office thinks long term; it's why they traded Gortat after deciding they didn't want to pay him what he was going to want in FA. It's why they didn't trade a pick for Gasol or some other vet to try to boost them into the playoffs last trade deadline or trade a 1st for a role player at the draft. Again; I think/hope Goran will be back but I do truly believe that if McD thinks trading him will help this team win a chip in a couple years he'll get moved even though he's a fan favorite.

Also i wasn't suggesting trading him straight up for Mirotic. it would be part of a bigger deal. But I stand by my belief that Mirotic could be a core piece moving forward. Big men with his skill set are rare.

"Asset management" is nonsense. It is the type of thinking that causes teams to send high-end players who are slated to be free agents away in bad trades for crumbs so they do not lose "assets." Have the Spurs done this "asset management" with any of their core players? No! The make their players feel wanted and a part of the organization - even to the point that the players do not press management for the maximum amount of money they could get on the open market. We talk about emulating the Spurs and how they run their team all the time. Time to put that into practice.

I do not think the decision to trade a core player is solely McD's. The Suns still have a consensus model in place and I seriously doubt Sarver and Babby would agree to trade Dragic for a raw bench player in Mitroic and other scraps Chicago could send our way.

As for Mitroic - he is a 6"10" 220lb power forward. Same height as Markieff and about 25 lbs lighter. I have seen him play a couple of times in the regular season and do not see any thing special about him at this time (<40% from the field and 33% from 3pt) that would make me send the Suns most popular and best player for him. Maybe he has the skills you gush over, but he has not demonstrated them.

[Christine-In-AZ]

Regardless of what Devaney and his "league sources" say, Goran is not going to walk. The Suns are going to make their best and most popular and most marketable player happy with a new contract.

They are not about to trade Dragic for an unproven rookie reserve.

This is not about asset management, it is about building a winning and contending team. Trading Dragic for what you suggest does not move the team toward that goal.

OT, but I'm interested in your opinion:

With the Suns payroll rising to at least 70m next season after Goran's resign/draft pick signing(s) and before resigning Green, what do you think the FO's plans are for G.Green? Shop 'em before the deadline or commit to a resigning effort?

If you don't mind opining...What do you think is the best "Green Plan" for the Suns long term?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Actually the spurs made a pure asset management trade with one of pops favorite players when they sent George hill to Indiana for Leonard. They knew they didn't want to pay him what he wanted on an extension and traded him for an unproven piece in Leonard. And they nearly traded Tony parker early in his career.

Again I think dragic will be back but to think it's some sure thing is crazy. It's also crazy to think this roster is a finished product; suns are only a little over a yr into a rebuild. Moves will be made.

Miroik is 10 games into his NBA career so judging him by that is premature. There a reason he was considered a big time prospect.
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[JDLAW]

Regardless of what Devaney and his "league sources" say, Goran is not going to walk. The Suns are going to make their best and most popular and most marketable player happy with a new contract.

They are not about to trade Dragic for an unproven rookie reserve.

This is not about asset management, it is about building a winning and contending team. Trading Dragic for what you suggest does not move the team toward that goal.

OT, but I'm interested in your opinion:

With the Suns payroll rising to at least 70m next season after Goran's resign/draft pick signing(s) and before resigning Green, what do you think the FO's plans are for G.Green? Shop 'em before the deadline or commit to a resigning effort?

If you don't mind opining...What do you think is the best "Green Plan" for the Suns long term?

I think they are going to try to resign him, but there will be a limit as to what they pay. I think they have already talked to his agent(s) and to him about their intentions. They like Green and what he brings to the table.

The Suns have several advantages with Green. 1) He likes it here and he likes Hornacek and McD, 2)They own bird rights, 3) Green went through the "grass is greener" approach before and it backfired. He had a very good seasoning NJ and then signed with the Pacers where he was lost and forgotten.

I think the Suns sign both Green and Dragic (whose cap hold will be substantially less than his ultimate salary) and sort out the log jam with an appropriate trade. I think the guy who ultimately gets traded is Thomas because the Suns will have a capable back-up and Thomas can be dealt to any team because his salary is low ($7M) and it would seem he would want to play for a team where he could start (HOU, Miami, Mil, Det,Indy).

[NavLDO]

I'd really like to see how Len and Warren pan out before making any major trades. It's entirely possible Len and Warren develop into All-Star type players. Not a given, for sure, but if they did become at least borderline stars, similar to Dragic's year last year, I'd have a hard time believing we wouldn't be a solid 4-5 seed by the end of next season.

EB
Dragic
Warren
Kieff
Len

If we had 4 borderline stars and a decent starting PF in Kieff, I think we are in good shape.

But I wouldn't mind trading one or two of PJ, IT, Ennis to make some room. Plus, Goodwin may figure it out by next season as well, so we'd have a bench of, assuming Green is gone...

IT or Ennis
Goodwin
Marcus
?
Plumlee

So, I guess what I'm saying is we might already have the major pieces, we just need some time.

And I don't get all the talk of trading the Morri. They are on a very reasonable deal. Now, if they net us a proven, or even young up and coming, star, then sure, but I honestly feel like Kieff gets seriously underrated on this board, and we can't have stars at every position, but I think we could very well be close to having 4 stars on the team, if we just give it some time...heck, Ennis might turn out to be a great PG, and we still have the rights to Bogdan, so he may come over and be a stud at the 2.

I think we stay put unless McD can finagle some type of great deal at the deadline for a stud PF.

[Christine-In-AZ]

Regardless of what Devaney and his "league sources" say, Goran is not going to walk. The Suns are going to make their best and most popular and most marketable player happy with a new contract.

They are not about to trade Dragic for an unproven rookie reserve.

This is not about asset management, it is about building a winning and contending team. Trading Dragic for what you suggest does not move the team toward that goal.

OT, but I'm interested in your opinion:

With the Suns payroll rising to at least 70m next season after Goran's resign/draft pick signing(s) and before resigning Green, what do you think the FO's plans are for G.Green? Shop 'em before the deadline or commit to a resigning effort?

If you don't mind opining...What do you think is the best "Green Plan" for the Suns long term?

I think they are going to try to resign him, but there will be a limit as to what they pay. I think they have already talked to his agent(s) and to him about their intentions. They like Green and what he brings to the table.

The Suns have several advantages with Green. 1) He likes it here and he likes Hornacek and McD, 2)They own bird rights, 3) Green went through the "grass is greener" approach before and it backfired. He had a very good seasoning NJ and then signed with the Pacers where he was lost and forgotten.

I think the Suns sign both Green and Dragic (whose cap hold will be substantially less than his ultimate salary) and sort out the log jam with an appropriate trade. I think the guy who ultimately gets traded is Thomas because the Suns will have a capable back-up and Thomas can be dealt to any team because his salary is low ($7M) and it would seem he would want to play for a team where he could start (HOU, Miami, Mil, Det,Indy).

Is this anywhere close to correct...

Projecting 2015-16 Suns payroll
(Contractual obligations plus Dragic and Green resigned)

G Bledsoe- 13.5
G Dragic-15?
G Green- 7?
G Thomas- 7
F Tucker- 5.5
F Mook- 5
F TJ Warren- 2
G Z.Dragic- 1.8
G Ennis- 1.7
G Goodwin- 1.2
PF Keef- 8
C Len- 3.8
C Plumlee- 2.1

Total $$= 59.7M for positions 1,2 and 3
Total$$= 14.9M for positions 4 and 5

With above numbers I have the Suns payroll at 74.6 million before signing the 2015 draft pick(s). This would represent roughly a 15 million dollar rise from '14-'15's "number".

If the Suns do ok this year...say? Get 50 wins/8th seed and give SAS or MEM a hard fought 6 game series, will Sarver be cool with a payroll approaching 80 million next year? He's still not selling out the arena with this group, and how much excitement will there be if the team remains nearly intact?

[aIvin adams]

bledsoe and a gameworn matrix jersey for kyrie irving

If we absolutely had to make a trade limited to these three assets, I'd trade Bledsoe for the game worn Matrix jersey and just say no thanks to Irving. I want no part of Kyrie or his absurd contract. He has some value as a player, roughly akin to that of Isaiah Thomas. Or did you mean to put your comment in green?

nah i'd trade bledsoe for irving. i like bledsoe and his contract is nice but u gotta roll the dice sometimes. irving is really good