Is Kieff dogging it?

SunsRback4Good · Post #241 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:48 pm

Is there a way we could get Taj Gibson from the Bulls he would be a great fit at the pf position if we lose kieff?

Nepopop · Post #242 » by **Nepopop** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:54 pm

Looks like someone(s) in the FO keeps promising stuff that they don't wanna do.

Hated to see Dragic go. Won't like to see Keef leave.

Mr-Al · Post #243 » by **Mr-Al** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:29 pm

TASTIC wrote:Don't want anything to do with Faried and that deal. He's a good player but isn't what we need, nor is his skillset suited to the 'new' NBA.

I'd be trying for a 3-teamer, sending Kieff out and trying to get back Sullinger to play the 4. Send Kieff to PHI or TOR, picks/filler to Celtics, Sullinger + filler to the Suns...

Something like

Markieff to TOR
Sullinger + James Johnson to PHX
Terrence Ross to BOS

TOR get to keep 2Pat for that bench role, while Celtics get a 3pt gunner they can easily shift if they don't want him.

this is one of the very few good trades I've seen here

The Celtics SG/SF rotation is already really crowded already though, they might want to include Evan Turner somewhere in there

Mr Gametime · Post #244 » by **Mr Gametime** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:45 pm

Right now it seems like some of the best offers out there are....

Markief to Detroit for Ershan Ilyasova and 1st round draft pick (lottery protected)
Markief to Toronto for Patrick Patterson and probable 1st round draft pick (lottery protected)
Markief to Cleveland for Tristan Thompson possible sign and trade
Markief to Minny for Anthony Bennett

Markief said he wants to play for Toronto or Houston but mostly away from Phoenix...

who has the best offer?

*These are just rumors/speculation based on reports that Markief wants to leave Phoenix and go to Toronto/Houston*

ESPN article stated that Toronto has strong offer in Patterson, Bill Simmons via twitter wrote Ilyasova to Phoenix is "inevitable"

jcsunsfan · Post #245 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:13 pm

Mr Gametime wrote:Right now it seems like some of the best offers out there are....

Markief to Detroit for Ershan Ilyasova and 1st round draft pick (lottery protected)
Markief to Toronto for Patrick Patterson and probable 1st round draft pick (lottery protected)
Markief to Cleveland for Tristan Thompson possible sign and trade
Markief to Minny for Anthony Bennett

Markief said he wants to play for Toronto or Houston but mostly away from Phoenix...

who has the best offer?

Are these offers or just speculation?

NTB · Post #246 » by **NTB** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:13 pm

Ersan and Pat-pat both good. But their respective teams won't do that trade.

jcsunsfan · Post #247 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:17 pm

Mr Gametime wrote:Right now it seems like some of the best offers out there are....

Markief to Detroit for Ershan Ilyasova and 1st round draft pick (lottery protected)
Markief to Toronto for Patrick Patterson and probable 1st round draft pick (lottery protected)
Markief to Cleveland for Tristan Thompson possible sign and trade
Markief to Minny for Anthony Bennett

Markief said he wants to play for Toronto or Houston but mostly away from Phoenix...

who has the best offer?

Yes, No, absolutely no, no.

plonden · Post #248 » by **plonden** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:24 pm

Mr Gametime wrote:Right now it seems like some of the best offers out there are....

Markief to Detroit for Ershan Ilyasova and 1st round draft pick (lottery protected)
Markief to Toronto for Patrick Patterson and probable 1st round draft pick (lottery protected)
Markief to Cleveland for Tristan Thompson possible sign and trade
Markief to Minny for Anthony Bennett

Markief said he wants to play for Toronto or Houston but mostly away from Phoenix...

who has the best offer?

The Detroit and Toronto deals are the best of these. As have been discussed here already, TT would be a terrible fit with Chandler and Len. I also think he's going to get overpaid. The Minnesota deal for Anthony Bennett would be awful. At this point, Anthony Bennett is in serious contention for the worst first pick overall in the history of the NBA. And that's not hyperbole. Otherwise, I like TASTIC's suggested trade for Sullinger, but I also question whether Boston would do the deal for Terrence Ross without any additional incentive. They'd probably demand a pick as well, which would likely be a deal breaker for me. Overall, I'd probably lean towards Patterson. Although he's probably a sub-par rebounder for a PF, he's got a very good three point shot. He shot 37% from three last season and 41% two seasons ago. Chandler and Len will cover for his rebounding deficiencies. Among eligible power forwards last season, Patterson ranked 22nd in wins above replacement. For reference, Marcus Morris ranked 26th, Ersan Ilyasova ranked 49th, and Markieff Morris ranked 6th!

Mr-Al · Post #249 » by **Mr-Al** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:28 pm

Posted this in the trade forum

Boston: Terrence Ross, Lucas Nogueira, Cavs 2016 pick (late 1st)

Raptors: Markieff Morris, Evan Turner

Suns: Sullinger, James Johnson

NTB · Post #250 » by **NTB** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:34 pm

Mr-Al wrote:Posted this in the trade forum

Boston: Terrence Ross, Lucas Nogueira, Cavs 2016 pick (late 1st)

Raptors: Markieff Morris, Evan Turner

Suns: Sullinger, James Johnson

Why would Boston do that trade? Giving Sullinger + Turner for Ross ??

aewyatt7 · Post #251 » by **aewyatt7** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:45 pm

You know... kieff is maybe helping us as much as he can. With him saying he wants to play at hou or tor... teams would be willing to make a fair offer because he WANTS to be there.

plonden · Post #252 » by **plonden** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:10 pm

How about Markieff Morris to Miami for Josh McRoberts and Mario Chalmers? I assume this is going to get killed because most casual observers underrate the value of McRoberts. But here goes. The Suns get the backup point guard we need to slot ahead of Price on the depth chart. Chalmers is on a one year deal so if it doesn't work out we can replace him next year. The Suns also add McRoberts as the starting power forward. He's a low usage guy that can space the floor very effectively. He's a perfect glue guy. He rebounds well, he is a very good passer for his position, and he plays decent defense. And, of course, it is addition by subtraction by getting rid of Markieff. The Heat do it to make Markieff their sixth man. He'd spell Chris Bosh or he could play next to Bosh in a small ball lineup when Whiteside sits.

NaturalBuns · Post #253 » by **NaturalBuns** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:51 pm

This team can't afford to lose markieff.
Not because he's the best player but the people behind him.

He's still young and getting better.
He needs to stay regardless of what he wants

LukasBMW · Post #254 » by **LukasBMW** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:04 pm

I think Faried is the best we can hope to do.

He may not have any range, but I love his hustle and pairing him with Chandler and Len on the front line gives us defense and rebounding.

I think Anthony Bennett is the next Kwame Brown. I don't think he will ever be good.

sunbolt · Post #255 » by **sunbolt** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:18 pm

How about:

Markieff & Archie to Toronto

Patterson & Delon Wright to Phoenix

Raptors don't need Wright at point because Cory Joseph signing in free agency. Suns avoid more complaining from Archie being overloaded at the wing position with Weems / Booker and get a back up point guard for the future. Patterson is a solid rotation stretch four who played with Bledsoe at Kentucky and is on a bargain two year contract. Good chemistry and fits our system.

Bledsoe / Wright / Price
Knight / Booker / Weems
Warren / Tucker / Weems
Chandler / Len
Patterson / Teletovic

Maybe we can get a pick from Toronto too or a swap up to the worse of Knicks/Nuggets pick next year owned by Toronto.

We also preserve max cap space next summer for free agency or trade. Starting power forward may be the only need at that point.

saintEscaton · Post #256 » by **saintEscaton** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:43 pm

LukasBMW wrote:I think Faried is the best we can hope to do.

He may not have any range, but I love his hustle and pairing him with Chandler and Len on the front line gives us defense and rebounding.

I think Anthony Bennett is the next Kwame Brown. I don't think he will ever be good.

Except he's a horrid defender(worst DRtg on the Nuggets last season) who gets easily backed down in the post because he lacks the functional strength to hold his own as an undersized tweener. He can push a big off the block but he rarely attempts to contest a shot or playing helpside defensive because he 's always hyperfocused on angling to get the inside position in a box out. The only thing he excels at is crashing the boards and securing new possessions and second chance opportunities (but he's not even top 10 in rebound rate so he's overrated in that department) and he's decent finisher in the restricted area where he gets garbage buckets. Denver's offensive was severely handicapped because when he was playing at the 4 they had to go big and have Nurkic as the rim protecting enforcer to make up for his deficiencies and we'd be in the same position. He's not really much of an upgrade from Tucker imo. Anyways he just got an undeserving 4 year $50 million extension and is getting paid near-max money and I don't want to take that bloated contract on for a rotational supersub.

jcsunsfan · Post #257 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:50 pm

NO good trades yet. Just keep him. Make him play. Treat him with kindness and respect even though he has not done it with the Suns. There was a day when Kobe was demanding a trade, and the Lakers just said "no." You can do that. Its hard to keep up that silent treatment thing forever.

All this stuff like Chalmers/McBob. Yuck.

Saberestar · Post #258 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:51 pm

plonden wrote:How about Markieff Morris to Miami for Josh McRoberts and Mario Chalmers? I assume this is going to get killed because most casual observers underrate the value of McRoberts. But here goes. The Suns get the backup point guard we need to slot ahead of Price on the depth chart. Chalmers is on a one year deal so if it doesn't work out we can replace him next year. The Suns also add McRoberts as the starting power forward. He's a low usage guy that can space the floor very effectively. He's a perfect glue guy. He rebounds well, he is a very good passer for his position, and he plays decent defense. And, of course, it is addition by subtraction by getting rid of Markieff. The Heat do it to make Markieff their sixth man. He'd spell Chris Bosh or he could play next to Bosh in a small ball lineup when Whiteside sits.

I wouldn't make this trade because McRoberts had a really big injury last year.

Saberestar · Post #259 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:58 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:NO good trades yet. Just keep him. Make him play. Treat him with kindness and respect even though he has not done it with the Suns. There was a day when Kobe was demanding a trade, and the Lakers just said "no." You can do that. Its hard to keep up that silent treatment thing forever.

All this stuff like Chalmers/McBob. Yuck.

I understand what you are saying, but Kobe is one in a generation player and Markieff is an average starter in this league. You can replace his production easily (players like Motiejunas, Sullinger or Terrence Jones for example can put the same or even better numbers with expanded role) and your team can be better via chemistry / professionalism.

jcsunsfan · Post #260 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:12 pm

Saberestar wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:NO good trades yet. Just keep him. Make him play. Treat him with kindness and respect even though he has not done it with the Suns. There was a day when Kobe was demanding a trade, and the Lakers just said "no." You can do that. Its hard to keep up that silent treatment thing forever.

All this stuff like Chalmers/McBob. Yuck.

I understand what you are saying, but Kobe is one in a generation player and Markieff is an average starter in this league. You can replace his production easily (players like Motiejunas, Sullinger or Terrence Jones for example can put the same or even better numbers with expanded role) and your team can be better via chemistry / professionalism.

But who is realistically offering DMo, Terrence Jones or Sullinger? No point in letting the inmates run the asylum.