Game 15: New Orleans Pelicans (3-11) @ Phoenix Suns (7-7)

[SunsRback4Good]

One thing I wanna say is it's embarrassing telling people I'm a Suns fan. You don't know how many times people laugh at me. I'm tired of losing guys. (Sad post, sorry).Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

Well the sooner you stop caring about what other people think about you the better. And not just talking sports. Also, in the long run, people who have any real head on their shoulders will admire loyalty, regardless of who/what you are loyal to.

Lol it's just sad man. We've sucked for too long. It's hard loving something so much that makes you so damn upset. Just hope we can turn it around soon.


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I'm sure its better saying you're a Suns fan over teams like Bucks, T-Wolves, Knicks, Charlotte, Jazz, Kings that haven't sniffed the playoffs in quite some time. And when Suns make start making playoffs they'll be there for good unlike other teams that make it for a season or two then miss out for next 7 to 10 years. So, hang in there cause good times are coming.

[thamadkant]

Lol at the Len and Goodwin haters.

These guys put up good numbers with minutes. They are young and learning, they will look better when they are 23-24 years old.

The Booker love affair and hatred for Len and Goodwin is nuts. I want to give them all the chance to fulfil their potential.

Len as a raw player last year looked good... Had nice per 36 stats. So did Goodwin.


I think the problem with the haters is trying to shoe horn them to what they think is a good player.

Booker is good shooter not much else, Goodwin is a good penetrator and athletic, Len has the tools to be a starting center. None are perfect or close to being Stars... Yet. But i think with minutes they can be.


I dont understand the hate....


The Markieff hate i fully understand... The guy dissed the fans, puts pedestrian effort, gets techs.



But Len and Goodwin?

I am baffled by the hate and pessimism.

Look at their per 36minutes... There is hope.
I think McD knows it... So hence they both got extended.

[thamadkant]

With a good combo point guard rotation...


McD should look to bring in D'Antoni as assistant to Hornacek atleast.

[bwgood77]

Lol at the Len and Goodwin haters.

These guys put up good numbers with minutes. They are young and learning, they will look better when they are 23-24 years old.

The Booker love affair and hatred for Len and Goodwin is nuts. I want to give them all the chance to fulfil their potential.

Len as a raw player last year looked good... Had nice per 36 stats. So did Goodwin.


I think the problem with the haters is trying to shoe horn them to what they think is a good player.

Booker is good shooter not much else, Goodwin is a good penetrator and athletic, Len has the tools to be a starting center. None are perfect or close to being Stars... Yet. But i think with minutes they can be.


I dont understand the hate....


The Markieff hate i fully understand... The guy dissed the fans, puts pedestrian effort, gets techs.



But Len and Goodwin?

I am baffled by the hate and pessimism.

Look at their per 36minutes... There is hope.
I think McD knows it... So hence they both got extended.

Curious, if you could keep one player between Booker and Goodwin, who would it be?

[SunsRback4Good]

Clippers with all their talent has the same record as the Suns. ha

[lilfishi22]

I heard people saying he's the next Wade

It's why I've always been against him playing heavy minutes despite his supporters calling for him to learn from his mistakes and so on. The fact is this, his skills outside of slashing and getting bailed out by foul calls just aren't up to NBA standards. His ball handling, passing, court vision, shooting and shot creation are all below average.

[PackSuns]

Trade TJ. The guy can achieve anything on the court that is asked of him. He doesn't need plays ran for him. He doesn't need to jack up 19 shots a game to score. Him not playing at the end was crazy.

[bwgood77]

Clippers with all their talent has the same record as the Suns. ha

Yeah, if you would have asked every Suns fan if, after 15 games, they would be happy with the same record as the Clips, and a two game lead on the Rockets, I'm guessing most would answer yes.

This year is a super crazy year in the nba. It wouldn't surprise me if we upset the Warriors and then lost every game on our road trip or the opposite.

[KLEON]

Clippers with all their talent has the same record as the Suns. ha

The Mavs must be loving this

[bwgood77]

How could we not play Bryce Cotton? He has been on fire lately!

[SunsRback4Good]

Clippers with all their talent has the same record as the Suns. ha

The Mavs must be loving this

I was just thinking the same thing how deep and talented Mavs roster was in 2011 that went clicked with amazing chemistry to win a championship.

[SunsRback4Good]

How could we not play Bryce Cotton? He has been on fire lately!

I was hoping to see him play but he wasn't with the team. Maybe he can be a better contributer than Weems. I had high hopes for Weems going into this season knowing what he did overseas but I was a fool thinking that games there are close/equal to NBA games.

[SarcasticSun]

Saw some chatter about rather be 8th seed vs miss the playoffs and get a better draft pick...I would much rather be the 8 seed. As has been mentioned, if we miss the playoffs Hornaceck is gone, and possibly McDonough too. I wouldn't be too upset about Hornaceck, although I'd rather give him more time, but if we lose McDonough I will be livid. The guy clearly knows what he is doing. He's fleeced people I'm trades, done as well as he could in the draft (minus Ennis pick), and hasn't signed any terrible contracts.. Although one could argue about Tyson as he gets older, but something tells me he doesn't make that signing if Sarver isn't pressuring him to make the playoffs.

[MrMiyagi]

Curious, if you could keep one player between Booker and Goodwin, who would it be?

I think it's a no brainer for Booker, but I don't think it's a choice we have to make.

[i505]

McD should look to bring in D'Antoni as assistant to Hornacek atleast.

This.

The offense looks like **** and relies too much on a player just winging it and figuring out something on his own. Hornacek's plays (if they even run one) are utter crap. Seriously... ISO after ISO, or that stupid "everybody run around in an arch at the top of the key and flip pass it to each other" play. Or "hey let's all just stand there and watch the guy with the ball dribble for 15 seconds".

I'd way rather see the old 4-out high/quarter PnR 9 out of 10 trips down the floor to start things off and create some real ball movement for the shooters. I like the players this year and they have streaks where they are fun to watch, but between the ****ty play calling and the awful subs/rotations I'm quickly jumping on the fire Jeff bandwagon. Heck, at this point I'd rather see Mike just come back at HC.

[JMac1]

I'd way rather see the old 4-out high/quarter PnR 9 out of 10 trips down the floor to start things off and create some real ball movement for the shooters..................... Heck, at this point I'd rather see Mike just come back at HC.

It seems like a simple concept...... Horny stinks!!! I am so tired of that guy.

[bwgood77]

McD should look to bring in D'Antoni as assistant to Hornacek atleast.

This.

The offense looks like **** and relies too much on a player just winging it and figuring out something on his own. Hornacek's plays (if they even run one) are utter crap. Seriously... ISO after ISO, or that stupid "everybody run around in an arch at the top of the key and flip pass it to each other" play. Or "hey let's all just stand there and watch the guy with the ball dribble for 15 seconds".

I'd way rather see the old 4-out high/quarter PnR 9 out of 10 trips down the floor to start things off and create some real ball movement for the shooters. I like the players this year and they have streaks where they are fun to watch, but between the ****ty play calling and the awful subs/rotations I'm quickly jumping on the fire Jeff bandwagon. Heck, at this point I'd rather see Mike just come back at HC.

But you are talking about Nash vs Bledsoe/Knight in this regard. Nash is a pass first pg and Bledsoe/Knight are more do their own thing if they can type guards. These are the players we signed. This is what they do and is their strength, so they will fall back on it. I want to see more passing, but if you are going to have Bledsoe, Knight and Kieff on the floor, you are going to see quite a bit of iso, regardless of coach.

[i505]

McD should look to bring in D'Antoni as assistant to Hornacek atleast.

This.

The offense looks like **** and relies too much on a player just winging it and figuring out something on his own. Hornacek's plays (if they even run one) are utter crap. Seriously... ISO after ISO, or that stupid "everybody run around in an arch at the top of the key and flip pass it to each other" play. Or "hey let's all just stand there and watch the guy with the ball dribble for 15 seconds".

I'd way rather see the old 4-out high/quarter PnR 9 out of 10 trips down the floor to start things off and create some real ball movement for the shooters. I like the players this year and they have streaks where they are fun to watch, but between the ****ty play calling and the awful subs/rotations I'm quickly jumping on the fire Jeff bandwagon. Heck, at this point I'd rather see Mike just come back at HC.

But you are talking about Nash vs Bledsoe/Knight in this regard. Nash is a pass first pg and Bledsoe/Knight are more do their own thing if they can type guards. These are the players we signed. This is what they do and is their strength, so they will fall back on it. I want to see more passing, but if you are going to have Bledsoe, Knight and Kieff on the floor, you are going to see quite a bit of iso, regardless of coach.

I truly believe they both have the ability to play the PnR. Of course they don't have the passing skills or court vision that Nash did, but I still think running the PnR would be better than the current scheme.

[bwgood77]

I truly believe they both have the ability to play the PnR. Of course they don't have the passing skills or court vision that Nash did, but I still think running the PnR would be better than the current scheme.

I do believe they have the ability, but it's our bigs that lack that ability, other than Tyson.

[lilfishi22]

D'Antoni's SSOl team was more than just the Nash/Amare PnR, its strength was also predicated on great ball movement. Great ball movement doesn't require exceptional passers, it only requires the team to buy into the concept of passing to the open man which is not happening right now because everyone is just ball watching while Bledsoe/Knight/Kieff iso's.

D'Antoni won't turn Bledsoe/Knight into a passing wizard ala Nash but I think he can do a lot to help with the spacing ad getting guys to buy into a team offense. I think we are lacking one exceptional shooter to make this work though.