Game 27: Phoenix Suns (11-15) @ Golden State Warriors (24-1)

[letsgosuns]

SSOL = Steve Nash. He was the seven seconds or less offense. I would say you need a point guard on Nash's level to have a chance to do it but I see no point guard out there that comes close. And the offense was truly in Nash's brain. You can have someone with all the physical skills but Nash's creativity is what made it all happen.

[grumpysaddle]

Man, what an embarrassing loss. At my cousins in the Bay Area and it was not fun to see our team get demolished like that..

I even called mid-way second quarter that once the Warriors start on a run we will just give up without even trying to battle.

Also, I know Chandler is getting back up to speed but do you think it was a bad signing? He was pretty average.. not just for tonights game. Not sure even if our medical staff can get him up and running to play some what decent. The lobs that we're trying to put together.. is down right wtf?

Some odd reason I have a feeling that if Jeff was to be let go by the management team, whoever is the assistant goes SSOL with our squad. Remember when Porter was let go and Gentry came in? Those first two games we dropped like what, 140 a piece? Yes, I know the roster is completely different but it would be nice to see a different type of offense then what we're getting right now. The pieces just don't seem to fit the scheme we're trying to incorporate. Tough one to watch but onto the next one as always. Go Suns.

I don't think there is a scheme. The offense just looks lost, as does the defense. They both have their moments, and sometimes it's enough to sneak a victory out, but they're pretty easily figured out.

Someone needs to have accountability for this. The players aren't buying into whatever is being sold. They all need to be utilized correctly, and it seems that none of them are.

[thamadkant]

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Bledsoe only 50% right.


Warriors will always light up anyone... Unless you shut down Curry and Thompson...no one has done that this season.




Bledsoe should talk about the pathetically predictable offense and ball movement. Especially between him and Knight.


Uptempo teams usually only work when the ball is rotated amongst all players and quickly.

SSOL Suns did that... And the Warriors does it.

Notice everyone usually gets to touch the ball.
Curry doesnt over dribble he either pulls a shot, give and go, dribble penetrate for a dish or a shot... All premeditated...

Bledsoe and Knight just arent the play makers nor the quick ball rotators that an uptempo team requires.

Hornacek gets the blame... Because he should be benching players who hold onto the ball or passes up open looks.... That kills an uptempo system the suns is supposedly running.


Warriors... Everyone is moving, cutting, driving etc... No one is ball watching or over holding the ball... Im sure Kerr and Walton preach that during practice.... Hornacek should be yanking out players for failing to rotate the ball in time.

[Funky Tut]

So yeah Hornaceck needs to go. I saw a lot of quit in the team tonight. Suns have talent, the coach just can't use it properly. For example, I would much rather have the Suns roster over the Mavs, yet the Mavs have pounded us. Calisile runs circles around Hornaceck, in the same way Walton ran circles around him tonight. I understand the Warriors have more talent and will be at us most nights, but there is no reason to ever be down +40 to them especially in the way it happened in this game.

Why was Telly being run off the court in the third quarter? They were literally running us off the court. Look at our roster, there are many weaknesses, but hustle/quickness should be an easy one to mask. Should have just gone Bledsoe, Knight, Warren, Tucker, Leuer in the 3rd.

I could coach the Warriors.

[Revived]

So yeah Hornaceck needs to go. I saw a lot of quit in the team tonight. Suns have talent, the coach just can't use it properly. For example, I would much rather have the Suns roster over the Mavs, yet the Mavs have pounded us. Calisile runs circles around Hornaceck, in the same way Walton ran circles around him tonight. I understand the Warriors have more talent and will be at us most nights, but there is no reason to ever be down +40 to them especially in the way it happened in this game.

Why was Telly being run off the court in the third quarter? They were literally running us off the court. Look at our roster, there are many weaknesses, but hustle/quickness should be an easy one to mask. Should have just gone Bledsoe, Knight, Warren, Tucker, Leuer in the 3rd.

Hornacek may need to go, but Carlisle imo is probably the best coach in the league. Walton out coaching Horny is kind of a ridiculous statement, because Walton could stay at home and the team likely would have played about as good.

And Hornacek could have stayed at home and the Suns would have played about as good or probably better.

[Revived]

So yeah Hornaceck needs to go. I saw a lot of quit in the team tonight. Suns have talent, the coach just can't use it properly. For example, I would much rather have the Suns roster over the Mavs, yet the Mavs have pounded us. Calisile runs circles around Hornaceck, in the same way Walton ran circles around him tonight. I understand the Warriors have more talent and will be at us most nights, but there is no reason to ever be down +40 to them especially in the way it happened in this game.

Why was Telly being run off the court in the third quarter? They were literally running us off the court. Look at our roster, there are many weaknesses, but hustle/quickness should be an easy one to mask. Should have just gone Bledsoe, Knight, Warren, Tucker, Leuer in the 3rd.

I could coach the Warriors.

And my golden retriever could coach the Suns if it all means is to be better than Hornacek.

[Revived]

And next the Suns get to play New Orleans, a team they've given 28.5% of the teams total wins to. I really hope I don't have to watch another game with Hornacek coaching and Price playing.

If Hornacek isn't fired before Friday, I think he will be pretty quickly if we lose to New Orleans .

Makes me think now that losing to New Orleans is probably in our best interest then.

[Revived]

I still think we can be .500 team end of the season.

Not as currently constructed. Some moves needs to be made (starting with the beheading of Hornacek and Longabardi).

Those are moves that should have been done in the off season.

[DRK]

I still think we can be .500 team end of the season.

Gun for that 13th pick.

[Revived]

It's amazing to me that even in a game where we were losing by 40, until garbage time scoring narrowed the lead, Booker and Goodwin could only get 10 and 12 minutes each.

Seriously, Hornacek your team blows and your playing the best team in the league, realize your not gonna win and give these kids some god damn quality minutes. Goodwin and Booker should have both had 20+ mins tonight each.

[bwgood77]

So yeah Hornaceck needs to go. I saw a lot of quit in the team tonight. Suns have talent, the coach just can't use it properly. For example, I would much rather have the Suns roster over the Mavs, yet the Mavs have pounded us. Calisile runs circles around Hornaceck, in the same way Walton ran circles around him tonight. I understand the Warriors have more talent and will be at us most nights, but there is no reason to ever be down +40 to them especially in the way it happened in this game.

Why was Telly being run off the court in the third quarter? They were literally running us off the court. Look at our roster, there are many weaknesses, but hustle/quickness should be an easy one to mask. Should have just gone Bledsoe, Knight, Warren, Tucker, Leuer in the 3rd.

Hornacek may need to go, but Carlisle imo is probably the best coach in the league. Walton out coaching Horny is kind of a ridiculous statement, because Walton could stay at home and the team likely would have played about as good.

And Hornacek could have stayed at home and the Suns would have played about as good or probably better.

Yes, so point being, this game wasn't about coaching, it was about talent.

[garrick]

This Suns team is worse than I imagined. I thought they would be a .500 team this year and they look like one of the worst teams in basketball. The Bledsoe/Knight backcourt is awful. I think Knight was benched all fourth quarter against the Mavericks last game so I thought he would come to play tonight. Then the Suns come out and have one of the worst showings in franchise history.

It is like the Suns management said I want the opposite of Steve Nash. Let's get point guards that are inconsistent shooters, cannot pass, and are turnover prone. Bledsoe and Knight both make so many boneheaded plays it is unreal. But do not get me wrong. It is not just them. Everyone looks terrible and Hornacek should be fired.

The Suns would have had a better record if Markeiff hadn't mentally checked out this season as he would add some low post scoring to our offense.

Our SF position is woeful with PJ not even a threat to score and TJ is unproven and isn't a threat from 3 yet, PF position is weak but at least Mirza and Leur are threats on the perimeter but really not much else.

Teams have figured us out and all they have to do is shut down the guards & the perimeter & the Suns won't kill you inside.

Not even an HOF player like Kidd could do much with a team without inside presence as evidenced by mostly 1st round exits for most of Kidd's tenure with the Suns.

[bwgood77]

This Suns team is worse than I imagined. I thought they would be a .500 team this year and they look like one of the worst teams in basketball. The Bledsoe/Knight backcourt is awful. I think Knight was benched all fourth quarter against the Mavericks last game so I thought he would come to play tonight. Then the Suns come out and have one of the worst showings in franchise history.

It is like the Suns management said I want the opposite of Steve Nash. Let's get point guards that are inconsistent shooters, cannot pass, and are turnover prone. Bledsoe and Knight both make so many boneheaded plays it is unreal. But do not get me wrong. It is not just them. Everyone looks terrible and Hornacek should be fired.

The Suns would have had a better record if Markeiff hadn't mentally checked out this season as he would add some low post scoring to our offense.

Our SF position is woeful with PJ not even a threat to score and TJ is unproven and isn't a threat from 3 yet, PF position is weak but at least Mirza and Leur are threats on the perimeter but really not much else.

Teams have figured us out and all they have to do is shut down the guards & the perimeter & the Suns won't kill you inside.

Not even an HOF player like Kidd could do much with a team without inside presence as evidenced by mostly 1st round exits for most of Kidd's tenure with the Suns.

Yeah, this team is FAR from having players ready to compete on a regular basis with elite teams, especially if they are disgruntled due to other teams.

[Revived]

One thing I've noticed this season with Tucker is how nobody actually guards him. Even against the Mavs, they had Dirk on him and Dirk gave Tucker so much space because he doesn't respect Tucker's ability to shoot or do anything offensively period.

We're playing 4 on 5 on offense because of Tucker.

I sometimes feel bad watching him play because it's kinda disrespectful to him that these players treat him like he's nothing and don't even care enough to defend him. Then I realize he's making millions playing a child's game and I no longer feel bad.

[SarcasticSun]

Hornacek may need to go, but Carlisle imo is probably the best coach in the league. Walton out coaching Horny is kind of a ridiculous statement, because Walton could stay at home and the team likely would have played about as good.

And Hornacek could have stayed at home and the Suns would have played about as good or probably better.

Yes, so point being, this game wasn't about coaching, it was about talent.

I do agree we are losing this game because of talent most times. However losing by 40 and having the team look so lackluster falls on the coach. I don't like the guy and don't want him as a coach, but there is no way Thibs loses in this fashion if he were coaching this team. Granted Walton didn't do amazing, but he did more than Hornaceck on the coaching end.

[RunDogGun]

I still think we can be .500 team end of the season.

Gun for that 13th pick.

Yep, because every team plays their season for drafting order. Why should any player, coach or GM be thinking about the draft right now?

Btw, I think Booker and Warren are pretty good draft picks, and we didn't have to lose every game on purpose to get them.

[bwgood77]

And Hornacek could have stayed at home and the Suns would have played about as good or probably better.

Yes, so point being, this game wasn't about coaching, it was about talent.

I do agree we are losing this game because of talent most times. However losing by 40 and having the team look so lackluster falls on the coach. I don't like the guy and don't want him as a coach, but there is no way Thibs loses in this fashion if he were coaching this team. Granted Walton didn't do amazing, but he did more than Hornaceck on the coaching end.

Well, we lost by 25, but I think when this Warriors team gets extremely hot they will crush teams. Memphis got beat by them by 50.

[Revived]

Yes, so point being, this game wasn't about coaching, it was about talent.

I do agree we are losing this game because of talent most times. However losing by 40 and having the team look so lackluster falls on the coach. I don't like the guy and don't want him as a coach, but there is no way Thibs loses in this fashion if he were coaching this team. Granted Walton didn't do amazing, but he did more than Hornaceck on the coaching end.

Well, we lost by 25, but I think when this Warriors team gets extremely hot they will crush teams. Memphis got beat by them by 50.

And Dave Joeger is reportedly on the very hot seat.

[jcsunsfan]

Funny how fans think they can coach better than a guy who grew up in a coach's home, starred as an NCAA player, had a long NBA career, was an NBA all-star, paid his dues as an assistant coach under one of the best NBA coaches ever.

But you can do it better. You have no idea about what is going on behind closed doors right now.

There is a vast difference between noticing a flaw in someone else's coaching, and being able to do it yourself.

[kennydorglas]

One thing I've noticed this season with Tucker is how nobody actually guards him. Even against the Mavs, they had Dirk on him and Dirk gave Tucker so much space because he doesn't respect Tucker's ability to shoot or do anything offensively period.

We're playing 4 on 5 on offense because of Tucker.

I sometimes feel bad watching him play because it's kinda disrespectful to him that these players treat him like he's nothing and don't even care enough to defend him. Then I realize he's making millions playing a child's game and I no longer feel bad.

We lost too many games this year because they're hiding their worst defenders on Tucker.
That Detroit game highlighted this issue VERY WELL. We were rolling them with Leuer stomping Drummond 1x1 all game long.
Hornacek put Tucker back and they switched Drummond on him. GAME OVER.

It's kinda starting Tony Allen or Andre Roberson, but without the ELITE DEFENSE.
Inexcusable.