Trade Deadline Countdown....What will we do? What should we do?

[thamadkant]

The really really sad thing is...

The Suns FO is sort of trying to compete....
Atleast the 76ers and the Lakers FO are openly tanking.

The Suns need to wake up and smell the coffee. Playoffs is out of the question, time to develop the young players as much as possible for the rest of the season.

No they arent. Our last 8 losses have been by an average of 19 points. How could that be making an effort to make the playoffs, regardless of what they say? Losing to Minny by 30 is not even remotely trying to compete. My gripe is that they are not trying hard enough to compete. I would like to see a team at least be IN games, even if they don't win them.

Signing Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Mirza... since the 48 win season, the Suns FO have been trying to make the playoffs.

[Damkac]

I was always McD supporter but I'm starting to get tired of him.
I understand that some PR talk is his work but please don't make idiots of fans. Any hope of playoffs died with Bledsoe injury, not that it was realistic before. Since then Suns are probably the worst team in the league.

Please, McD show us all we weren't wrong with you. Find the best deals for Kieff, Tucker, Chandler and Mirza and find us better coach.

[saintEscaton]

The really really sad thing is...

The Suns FO is sort of trying to compete....
Atleast the 76ers and the Lakers FO are openly tanking.

The Suns need to wake up and smell the coffee. Playoffs is out of the question, time to develop the young players as much as possible for the rest of the season.

No they arent. Our last 8 losses have been by an average of 19 points. How could that be making an effort to make the playoffs, regardless of what they say? Losing to Minny by 30 is not even remotely trying to compete. My gripe is that they are not trying hard enough to compete. I would like to see a team at least be IN games, even if they don't win them.

Signing Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Mirza... since the 48 win season, the Suns FO have been trying to make the playoffs.

We just suck so much that it doesn't even matter if we hustle and try to stay competive, we will get blown out by even the worst of teams be it home or away. Simply put if we don't score in triple digits we have no shot at winning against anyone because we can't defend for jack. The FO has committed to making shortsighted lateral moves to keep us on the treadmill and Bledsoe's injury has derailed their pursuit of the 8th seed and now they are trying to save face and still act like everything is going accordingly to the masterplan. This tank job is nott intentional but just the inevitable outcome of having an interpersonally challenged hotshot GM, a poorly assembled roster with incompatible marginal talent, selfish players who won't buy into the system and a spineless coach who has lost the locker room

[thamadkant]

No they arent. Our last 8 losses have been by an average of 19 points. How could that be making an effort to make the playoffs, regardless of what they say? Losing to Minny by 30 is not even remotely trying to compete. My gripe is that they are not trying hard enough to compete. I would like to see a team at least be IN games, even if they don't win them.

Signing Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Mirza... since the 48 win season, the Suns FO have been trying to make the playoffs.

We just suck so much that it doesn't even matter if we hustle and try to stay competive, we will get blown out by even the worst of teams be it home or away. Simply put if we don't score in triple digits we have no shot at winning against anyone because we can't defend for jack. The FO has committed to making shortsighted lateral moves to keep us on the treadmill and Bledsoe's injury has derailed their pursuit of the 8th seed and now they are trying to save face and still act like everything is going accordingly to the masterplan. This tank job is nott intentional but just the inevitable outcome of having an interpersonally challenged hotshot GM, a poorly assembled roster with incompatible marginal talent, selfish players who won't buy into the system and a spineless coach who has lost the locker room

One of my main issues is the offense revolves 100% 3pt shots. Suns cannot stay close of the other team if the suns arent hitting 10+ 3s and at close to 50%. Which is a ridiculous plan by Hornacek.

[AtheJ415]

The really really sad thing is...

The Suns FO is sort of trying to compete....
Atleast the 76ers and the Lakers FO are openly tanking.

The Suns need to wake up and smell the coffee. Playoffs is out of the question, time to develop the young players as much as possible for the rest of the season.

The team gave up on the coach though awhile ago, so you can't take what's happening now as a real reflection of talent. That said, LAL is absolutely not openly tanking. It sounds ridiculous, but they've talked about buying at the deadline simply to win more games during Kobe's last year.

[WeekapaugGroove]

No they arent. Our last 8 losses have been by an average of 19 points. How could that be making an effort to make the playoffs, regardless of what they say? Losing to Minny by 30 is not even remotely trying to compete. My gripe is that they are not trying hard enough to compete. I would like to see a team at least be IN games, even if they don't win them.

Signing Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Mirza... since the 48 win season, the Suns FO have been trying to make the playoffs.

We just suck so much that it doesn't even matter if we hustle and try to stay competive, we will get blown out by even the worst of teams be it home or away. Simply put if we don't score in triple digits we have no shot at winning against anyone because we can't defend for jack. The FO has committed to making shortsighted lateral moves to keep us on the treadmill and Bledsoe's injury has derailed their pursuit of the 8th seed and now they are trying to save face and still act like everything is going accordingly to the masterplan. This tank job is nott intentional but just the inevitable outcome of having an interpersonally challenged hotshot GM, a poorly assembled roster with incompatible marginal talent, selfish players who won't buy into the system and a spineless coach who has lost the locker room

So what you're saying is other than that everything is great?

"how was the play Mrs. Lincoln"

[AtheJ415]

So will mcd wake up tomorrow check the standings and say "hey we lost to the wolves by 30 but you know what we're only 5.5 games back we really need to debate what direction were going this season." Lol gtfo

Yep. It's one thing to say that if we were losing games by 5 pts or less, but we are losing to the dregs of the NBA by 20-30 pts, every game! I don't care if we were 1 game out of the playoffs; playing the way we are now, we aren't going to win another game all season!

As I mentioned on an earlier post I don't expect him to be completely honest with the media but to mention the word playoffs with how this team has played is insulting to everyone's intelligence. I mean they have literally been THE worst team in the league the past 6 weeks.

I expect they are doing this but really they should be calling around and looking to move Mirza, Tucker, Keif, and even Lueur for whatever they can get before the deadline. I would also be making calls on Chandler but if no one is offering anything then they are better off just keeping him and hoping he plays better and builds his trade value back up for this summer. No need to trade an asset or take on an equally **** contract just to clear Chandler off the books. I would also open to trading Knight but again you might be better off hoping he turns it around rather than giving him away.

Odds are he knows his employer is listening. Think about it. If you haven't convinced your boss quite yet of going a different direction, how would it look to just announce you were going a different direction to all of your customers before that decision has been made by your boss?

I'm with you on all the players involved. I'd like to keep Leuer but it depends on what was offered. It's really hard to gauge some guys given the scenarios. I'd prefer not give up on Knight, although I like Dunn a lot so I"d consider moving him on draft night to get another pick if he is there.

It should be fairly easy to move Mirza and Tucker. They have low salaries and are low-risk role players. Kief has more risk, but is still movable imo I mostly want Chandler gone though. I'm done watching him half ass it as the supposed leader of the team as far as players go. We need a new culture over all else. We need a real leader as a player and a real leader as a coach.

[kennydorglas]

I'm pretty bummed about no movement at all so far, but I can only imagine no team in the NBA will ever pick up another phone call by McD. They're probably trying to squeeze everything from us and McD wont let it go so easily.

Maybe closer to the deadline he'll eventually let this go, but so far... he's trying to get the best deal available and no one wants a part of it.

Takes two to dance and now McD is alone in the dancefloor. Let's see who'll give up earlier.

[AtheJ415]

Here is just a brain teaser for you. Would you trade Brandon Knight to the Lakers for the right to swap first round picks with them this year? You might end up getting nothing for him, but the net would be that you would virtually guarantee a top three pick with either the Suns or Lakers pick.

Hell no. We're pretty likely to get a higher pick than them anyways. People here so undervalue Knight. If it was the Laker pick period I'd consider it, but not for the right to swap. That only has real value when the teams are far apart in their current outlooks. The only advantage is that it takes us from a 10% shot at Simmons to a 30% shot. As far as top 3 goes, I don't really see much difference between picks 2 and 4 in this draft. Ingram, Dunn, and Bender are all fairly comparable to me in terms of upside and risk.

[thamadkant]

The really really sad thing is...

The Suns FO is sort of trying to compete....
Atleast the 76ers and the Lakers FO are openly tanking.

The Suns need to wake up and smell the coffee. Playoffs is out of the question, time to develop the young players as much as possible for the rest of the season.

The team gave up on the coach though awhile ago, so you can't take what's happening now as a real reflection of talent. That said, LAL is absolutely not openly tanking. It sounds ridiculous, but they've talked about buying at the deadline simply to win more games during Kobe's last year.

Byron Scott has been quoted as saying Kobe’s farewell tour is higher priority than developing the youth. Which to me suggest, what ever Kobe wants he gets.

Meanwhile the FO have not had any aggressive moves to get Kobe veteran help.
So Lakers being “buyers”, sounds like media talk to get them off their backs.

If they are keen buyers, then Suns should be linked with them somehow with Tucker, Chandler, Knight etc.

I think Lakers are happy to “tank” until Kobe retires and they have 3-4 stud young players to develop or SHIP off for a established star.

[AtheJ415]

The really really sad thing is...

The Suns FO is sort of trying to compete....
Atleast the 76ers and the Lakers FO are openly tanking.

The Suns need to wake up and smell the coffee. Playoffs is out of the question, time to develop the young players as much as possible for the rest of the season.

The team gave up on the coach though awhile ago, so you can't take what's happening now as a real reflection of talent. That said, LAL is absolutely not openly tanking. It sounds ridiculous, but they've talked about buying at the deadline simply to win more games during Kobe's last year.

Byron Scott has been quoted as saying Kobe’s farewell tour is higher priority than developing the youth. Which to me suggest, what ever Kobe wants he gets.

Meanwhile the FO have not had any aggressive moves to get Kobe veteran help.
So Lakers being “buyers”, sounds like media talk to get them off their backs.

If they are keen buyers, then Suns should be linked with them somehow with Tucker, Chandler, Knight etc.

I think Lakers are happy to “tank” until Kobe retires and they have 3-4 stud young players to develop or SHIP off for a established star.

The GM in an interview said he would look to get more wins since it's Kobe's last year, and rebuilding takes a back seat to that. He could just be saying that I suppose, and I'm not sure how they could really acquire vet help. When push comes to shove they wouldn't move their youngsters imo, and I'm not sure they have picks to move. We'll see I suppose.

[Sunsss]

I just have to laugh. This season has gotten surreal. I don't even know what exactly happened. It really seems like blowing that game to Milwaukee just allowed apathy to set in with Hornacek. I can imagine there can be some apathy anyway, being a lame duck coach, and we came back and had a little fight against Cleveland and OKC, but it's like the curse of 2016 set in for the Suns or something.

We were definitely a better team than our record would indicate in early December or so. We lost so many heartbreaking games that we should've won especially during the 6-game trip. It's either the Milwaukee game or the game against the Warriors that did it. There was a win against the Pelicans inbetween, but they looked terrible that night and it was an ugly win. Warriors game was the game Bledsoe started playing bad (or checked out), before that he was consistently putting up 20 with good assists numbers: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202339/gamelogs/

Now we're definitely a much worse team than our record indicates. Check out the NetRtg numbers since the win against the Pelicans where we lost 13 of 14: http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/advanced/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=12%2F19%2F2015&sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1

Also check out who's been the worst defender from our regular rotation: http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612756/players/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=1 (yes, the guy who was signed to be our vet leader and help us communicate better on the defensive end)

Just a couple of numbers on what went wrong this season.

[bwgood77]

I just have to laugh. This season has gotten surreal. I don't even know what exactly happened. It really seems like blowing that game to Milwaukee just allowed apathy to set in with Hornacek. I can imagine there can be some apathy anyway, being a lame duck coach, and we came back and had a little fight against Cleveland and OKC, but it's like the curse of 2016 set in for the Suns or something.

We were definitely a better team than our record would indicate in early December or so. We lost so many heartbreaking games that we should've won especially during the 6-game trip. It's either the Milwaukee game or the game against the Warriors that did it. There was a win against the Pelicans inbetween, but they looked terrible that night and it was an ugly win. Warriors game was the game Bledsoe started playing bad (or checked out), before that he was consistently putting up 20 with good assists numbers: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202339/gamelogs/

Now we're definitely a much worse team than our record indicates. Check out the NetRtg numbers since the win against the Pelicans where we lost 13 of 14: http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/advanced/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=12%2F19%2F2015&sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1

Also check out who's been the worst defender from our regular rotation: http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612756/players/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=1 (yes, the guy who was signed to be our vet leader and help us communicate better on the defensive end)

Just a couple of numbers on what went wrong this season.

Yeah, it sucks, because following numbers and stuff, even when Chandler was in NY, I thought "man this guy is washed up" and then he goes back to Dallas, is ok, and then we give him four more years at that money? I bought in at the time for whatever reason....maybe I want to have rose colored glasses in the offseason, or because I thought it was worth the risk to get Aldridge, but there is zero excuse for him playing THIS terribly.

In hindsight, even with the Aldridge pitch WHY would you not give him a two year contract? Even make it a little more money per year if need be?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I was always McD supporter but I'm starting to get tired of him.
I understand that some PR talk is his work but please don't make idiots of fans. Any hope of playoffs died with Bledsoe injury, not that it was realistic before. Since then Suns are probably the worst team in the league.

Please, McD show us all we weren't wrong with you. Find the best deals for Kieff, Tucker, Chandler and Mirza and find us better coach.

I would be terrified of losing mcd at this point. Say what you will, but the dude doesn't do stupid **** in the draft - he accumulates rather than trades picks, and he doesn't draft losers like Kendall Marshall. Think about it. You lose mcd, who takes his place? Is there any reason to think that this owner will actually appoint someone better than mcd?? Please.

The trades may be a mixed bag, and the performance on the court the last two seasons has been underwhelming, but with mcd, at least we have hope, because there's always the draft.

And truly, before mcd there was scarcely a marketable contract on this roster. Now, while we may be disappointing to watch, we can debate how many draft picks our guys are worth in a trade. It's the storm before the calm.

Needless to say, I'm still with mcd. Each year he stays is a credit to Sarver. I fear the day we go another direction.

[blacksun]

The Cavs are getting their butt whooped so maybe theyll be more motivated to trade for Kieff after the game?

[Jdiddy701]

Anyway Cleveland trades Kyrie? I'd give them everything minus Booker. 3rd team can help. I can dream too.


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[bigfoot]

I'd be happy with a rotation of

PG Knight/Goodwin
WING Tucker/Booker/Warren
PF Leuer/trade
C Len/trade

Move Markieff, Chandler, and Price for some young players. Completely embrace the youth movement but keep Tucker since he is the only player that works hard all the time. Make him the defacto leader of the young-uns.

[bwgood77]

The Cavs are getting their butt whooped so maybe theyll be more motivated to trade for Kieff after the game?

Yeah, Kieff is the Warriors stopper. But anyway, what would you possibly want that you think they might possibly give up? The only think I can think of is a 2018 first.

[dremill24]

They could send a trade exception and id be happy

[blacksun]

The Cavs are getting their butt whooped so maybe theyll be more motivated to trade for Kieff after the game?

Yeah, Kieff is the Warriors stopper. But anyway, what would you possibly want that you think they might possibly give up? The only think I can think of is a 2018 first.

One of the problems i see with the Cavs wrt to their matchup with the Warriors is that LeBron isnt the guy you go to to get points. We saw that in Game 5 alot. The Warriors, for all the praise they get offensively, is a damn good defensive team, and they have the Cavs number on that end of the floor. Theres no one in that roster, except maybe Kyrie, that they can throw the ball to and get two points. Kieff, on his best day is almost unguardeable and tho is super far from that standard currently, it certainly adds a new dynamic to their matchup should they meet again in the Finals.

As for the offer, I would imagine the Cavs would flip Mozgov to a third team and we get the assets. Maybe to Charlotte with fillers and their 2016 1st to us?

EDIT: Didnt realize Cha is in the lottery so make that a lottery protected pick if its a bit of a reach