The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[dremill24]

I know im going to get killed for saying this, but bring it on. I want to sign Lance Stephenson.

Why? I take it you are not a Warren or Booker fan? What does he possibly do right now for our team? Can't see why he would even entertain signing with us.

Well, if he has his head on straight, he adds toughness, hard-nosed defense, rebounding, and a secondary ball handler that can move Knight off the ball when Bledsoe is out.

But his head isn't on at all...shame.

[bwgood77]

Why? I take it you are not a Warren or Booker fan? What does he possibly do right now for our team? Can't see why he would even entertain signing with us.

1. He is competitive. Seriously, that should be the #1 thing we look for in a player.
2. DEFENSE at the SF spot. It would be nice to have a defender that can cover anyone from PG to some PF's.
3. Can hit the 3.
4. Was ready to breakout, but had a bit of a setback. Preformed great for LAC with the little minutes he got, but did outstanding for the Grizz when he was given minutes. I see him as a better, more versatile, younger Tucker.
5. I see him as a better starter than Warren. Warren can bring scoring from the bench, but i feel like we need more than that from a starter.

When given starters minutes (30+) he has been great. Last season he played in a total of 5 game with 30+ minutes for Memphis:
33 points (12/20), 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 block
18 points (7/12), 8 rebounds, 6 assists.
24 points (8/18), 11 rebounds, 7 assists.
19 points (8/21), 7 rebounds, 6 assists.
13 points (6/13), 2 rebounds. (against GS)
22 points (8-14), 2 rebounds, 4 assists (against GS)

add to that....

OK, sure he is a fine player, but how good do you think we are? I mean what difference does he make in the long run? How old is he? We need to not sign guys like him that may give us more wins but won't be around for (hopefully) our next really good team. Because if the young guys play well enough to get us a worse draft pick, fine, but if not, that's good because they are developing and we get a better draft pick. It's not like we are anywhere near being able to win a first round series. Even if we somehow did manage to get into the playoffs this next year, we would likely face either GS, SA or OKC in the first round and I don't see that going too well. We have a long road....lets use our picks and give all of those guys and guys like Warren, Booker, Len time.

[Kerrsed]

He's 25. Almost 2 years older than Warren. So he is still young and can be on our team still when we are good again.

But in order to get good you have to have good players. Where or when does that start? Lance is a SF, so trowing Bookers name out there has no impact. Booker is a SG and a SG only. Lance wouldnt take any minutes from him. Would he take them from Warren? He sure would, but then again i think we could get away with giving Warren more minutes at PF and running a small ball line-up of:
Bledose/Booker/Stephenson/Warren/Len.

I just feel like we need defenders in the starting line-up. We also need guys who have that competitive spirit. Sure guys can be competitive, but im talking about guys that get pissed when you score on them and take it personally where they are either going to take it right back at you or block the s**t out of your next shot. Thats Stephenson. Hard nose defender that seems like he is willing to do whatever it takes to win. Thats the kind of players im after. I want that Kobe attitude. Steven Addams has it. Draymond Green has it. They dont mope, they take it as an insult as do something about it. Thats Stephenson.

[lilfishi22]

I know im going to get killed for saying this, but bring it on. I want to sign Lance Stephenson.

[lilfishi22]

He's 25. Almost 2 years older than Warren. So he is still young and can be on our team still when we are good again.

But in order to get good you have to have good players. Where or when does that start? Lance is a SF, so trowing Bookers name out there has no impact. Booker is a SG and a SG only. Lance wouldnt take any minutes from him. Would he take them from Warren? He sure would, but then again i think we could get away with giving Warren more minutes at PF and running a small ball line-up of:
Bledose/Booker/Stephenson/Warren/Len.

I just feel like we need defenders in the starting line-up. We also need guys who have that competitive spirit. Sure guys can be competitive, but im talking about guys that get pissed when you score on them and take it personally where they are either going to take it right back at you or block the s**t out of your next shot. Thats Stephenson. Hard nose defender that seems like he is willing to do whatever it takes to win. Thats the kind of players im after. I want that Kobe attitude. Steven Addams has it. Draymond Green has it. They dont mope, they take it as an insult as do something about it. Thats Stephenson.

The guy is talented. No question about it. However, he literally does not move the needle. In his best season, he was still only the 20th best SF in the league. The past two seasons, despite being on playoff teams, he's done nothing but put up empty stats. I watched about a few dozen Memphis/LAC games these past two seasons and he has not impressed me one bit.

Season RK NAME TEAM GP MPG ORPM DRPM RPM
2015-16 72 Lance Stephenson LAC/MEM 69 19.9 -1.25 -1.58 -2.83
2014-15 69 Lance Stephenson CHA 61 25.8 -4.6 -0.22 -4.82
2013-14 20 Lance Stephenson IND 78 35.3 0.9 0.14 1.04

For every good thing he does, he cancels it out with stupidty and showboating. The guy isn't necessarily a selfish player, he's just doesn't play well in a team. The guy is like the wing version of Javale McGee, supremely talented but his affect on the game ends up being neutral at best. I'll give him this though, he did have a decent season with Memphis after the trade averaging close around 19/6/4 per36. But I prefer high bball IQ guys on this team.

[jredsaz]

He's 25. Almost 2 years older than Warren. So he is still young and can be on our team still when we are good again.

But in order to get good you have to have good players. Where or when does that start? Lance is a SF, so trowing Bookers name out there has no impact. Booker is a SG and a SG only. Lance wouldnt take any minutes from him. Would he take them from Warren? He sure would, but then again i think we could get away with giving Warren more minutes at PF and running a small ball line-up of:
Bledose/Booker/Stephenson/Warren/Len.

I just feel like we need defenders in the starting line-up. We also need guys who have that competitive spirit. Sure guys can be competitive, but im talking about guys that get pissed when you score on them and take it personally where they are either going to take it right back at you or block the s**t out of your next shot. Thats Stephenson. Hard nose defender that seems like he is willing to do whatever it takes to win. Thats the kind of players im after. I want that Kobe attitude. Steven Addams has it. Draymond Green has it. They dont mope, they take it as an insult as do something about it. Thats Stephenson.

I was in Lance's corner for the last three years. He bounced back for Memphis after the trade. But the last year of his contract is a team option. I think Memphis keeps him.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Lance is a true crazy person and generally bad dude. I'm usually cool taking shots on guys with a little character concerns but lance is too far. No interest at all.

[Kerrsed]

I get tired of seeing all this "He does not move the needle" bs. No, dont trade for him, he doesnt move the needle! No dont sign him, he doesnt move the needle. Screw that, you expect to sign a guy who does with a team like ours? Do we move THEIR needle to sign with US? Sure, trade for a guy, but if he doesnt want to be here, his play on the court will reflect that. This needle bs is a 2-way street, and as it is, we are not attracting FA's or trade-able guys anymore. The only way to do that is to either, Overpay and hope that they would rather take the most money rather than a few million less while also being on a winning team, or to start improving your team and getting some wins.

The 76ers have had some great drafts, and a few good pieces like us, but FA's still refuse to sign there. Why? Winning matters. In order to win games, you must improve the team. We see teams all the time that dont look to make small improvements here and there, they just swing for the fences and whiff big time (Like us with Lebron or Aldridge). Maybe if we had a few more guys who played better ball Aldridge would have chosen us. Stephenson was a Lebron stopper. King James knows what he could do and how annoying he could be on D, maybe if we had him and a few better guys instead of just his buddy Bledsoe, Lebron would have chose us. Who knows.

Im just saying, if you can improve your team even a little, you do it. All those little bits add up and can help land/keep a better player that can move the proverbial needle leaps and bounds.

[dremill24]

He's 25. Almost 2 years older than Warren. So he is still young and can be on our team still when we are good again.

But in order to get good you have to have good players. Where or when does that start? Lance is a SF, so trowing Bookers name out there has no impact. Booker is a SG and a SG only. Lance wouldnt take any minutes from him. Would he take them from Warren? He sure would, but then again i think we could get away with giving Warren more minutes at PF and running a small ball line-up of:
Bledose/Booker/Stephenson/Warren/Len.

I just feel like we need defenders in the starting line-up. We also need guys who have that competitive spirit. Sure guys can be competitive, but im talking about guys that get pissed when you score on them and take it personally where they are either going to take it right back at you or block the s**t out of your next shot. Thats Stephenson. Hard nose defender that seems like he is willing to do whatever it takes to win. Thats the kind of players im after. I want that Kobe attitude. Steven Addams has it. Draymond Green has it. They dont mope, they take it as an insult as do something about it. Thats Stephenson.

The guy is talented. No question about it. However, he literally does not move the needle. In his best season, he was still only the20th best SF in the league. The past two seasons, despite being on playoff teams, he's done nothing but put up empty stats. I watched about a few dozen Memphis/LAC games these past two seasons and he has not impressed me one bit.

Season RK NAME TEAM GP MPG ORPM DRPM RPM
2015-16 72 Lance Stephenson LAC/MEM 69 19.9 -1.25 -1.58 -2.83
2014-15 69 Lance Stephenson CHA 61 25.8 -4.6 -0.22 -4.82
2013-14 20 Lance Stephenson IND 78 35.3 0.9 0.14 1.04

For every good thing he does, he cancels it out with stupidty and showboating. The guy isn't necessarily a selfish player, he's just doesn't play well in a team. The guy is like the wing version of Javale McGee, supremely talented but his affect on the game ends up being neutral at best. I'll give him this though, he did have a decent season with Memphis after the trade averaging close around 19/6/4 per36. But I prefer high bball IQ guys on this team.

Ive given up on the guy, but 20th best SF?? Please..dude was legit that year, and whatever stat spit that ranking out is officially off my list viable ones.

On another note..this "move the needle" thing is killing me lol. (Lance aside, I don't want him), if there's nobody out there who moves this needle, are we just supposed to sit on this mismatched, severely flawed roster forever and just keep playing the lotto with good-but-not-great draft picks? If we're gonna be real about it, there's only a handful of guys in the league who truly move this ever stagnant needle. They're not really available, and even if one was, does adding him to a roster full of crap really do anything?

Nobody wins titles by themselves. We saw Steph/Klay stink it up tonight, yet come away with a Finals win thanks to their other pieces that, in a vacuum, DON'T move the precious needle.

I guess my point is a question: What is so wrong with targeting players who are just good? Great teams don't get built overnight. Is there something wrong with having some good players already in place if you happen to get lucky enough to acquire a "needle mover?" Or having some in place to help acquire said needle mover?

Or are we all just pining for Hinkie?

[asudevil]

IMO Lance has a ton of talent, but no motivation to win. I think if him as a guy who plays for his next contact. If the sun's pay him anything, they'll regret it in the same way they regretted signing Beasley. We made one mistake, why make it again.

[AtheJ415]

I know im going to get killed for saying this, but bring it on. I want to sign Lance Stephenson.

Yeah, if we're going for a bargain SF, I'd much rather target Solomon Hill, who actually plays smart and brings some maturity and a fairly balanced overall game.

[AtheJ415]

I get tired of seeing all this "He does not move the needle" bs. No, dont trade for him, he doesnt move the needle! No dont sign him, he doesnt move the needle. Screw that, you expect to sign a guy who does with a team like ours? Do we move THEIR needle to sign with US? Sure, trade for a guy, but if he doesnt want to be here, his play on the court will reflect that. This needle bs is a 2-way street, and as it is, we are not attracting FA's or trade-able guys anymore. The only way to do that is to either, Overpay and hope that they would rather take the most money rather than a few million less while also being on a winning team, or to start improving your team and getting some wins.

The 76ers have had some great drafts, and a few good pieces like us, but FA's still refuse to sign there. Why? Winning matters. In order to win games, you must improve the team. We see teams all the time that dont look to make small improvements here and there, they just swing for the fences and whiff big time (Like us with Lebron or Aldridge). Maybe if we had a few more guys who played better ball Aldridge would have chosen us. Stephenson was a Lebron stopper. King James knows what he could do and how annoying he could be on D, maybe if we had him and a few better guys instead of just his buddy Bledsoe, Lebron would have chose us. Who knows.

Im just saying, if you can improve your team even a little, you do it. All those little bits add up and can help land/keep a better player that can move the proverbial needle leaps and bounds.

Disagree. The 76ers have drafted a bunch of guys who can't play together, who they will now have to dump for picks in the equivalent or later range of a weaker draft than the one in which they selected their 3rd and 4th PF/C who can't shoot.

[Kerrsed]

With New York openly seeking a late 1st/early 2nd, McD needs to get on the phone and offer up our #28 for Kyle O'Quinn. Great defender, great rebounder. I would be totally open to having him as our starting PF.

[Kerrsed]

Disagree. The 76ers have drafted a bunch of guys who can't play together, who they will now have to dump for picks in the equivalent or later range of a weaker draft than the one in which they selected their 3rd and 4th PF/C who can't shoot.

Let me re-phrase that, they have had great drafts, as in they have drafted guys who have produced and have not turned into busts.

[sunsbum]

You dont sign someone for the sake of signing them. If you add FA pieces you do it to "move the needle" IE steven nash or you sign guys to fill out roster spots that are of need. We have a lot of young players that we need to figure out where they're at in the next 2-3 years. People complain about drafting 15th every year yet you want to sign players like Nic Batum and Lance Stephenson for insane money, why? We don't need guys like them at this point in time.

[thamadkant]

Disagree. The 76ers have drafted a bunch of guys who can't play together, who they will now have to dump for picks in the equivalent or later range of a weaker draft than the one in which they selected their 3rd and 4th PF/C who can't shoot.

Let me re-phrase that, they have had great drafts, as in they have drafted guys who have produced and have not turned into busts.

but getting top 4 picks multiple years gives you a high chance of not drafting a bust... especially most of their picks in that range were ranked in their respective slots by draft express and other draft sites..

Hinkie's job was the easiest in the world..
Basically, he didnt have to spend much time scouting... he will pick who ever is left over after pick 1 or 2.. according to the draft mocks.


Then he didnt have to make trades that added wins to the team, he actually lost trades to tank... I mean trading players for 2nd rounders are wins for the other team.... Hinkie didnt have to do anything except sign off on documents.


Easiest job the last 3 years IMO... easy 500K a year.

[sportscrazy]

New York Knicks get:
P.J. Tucker
28th Overall Draft Pick
34th Overall Draft Pick

Phoenix Suns get:
Kyle O'Quinn
2017 Houston Rockets Second Round Draft Pick
2019 Houston Rockets Second Round Draft Pick
2019 Cleveland Cavaliers Second Round Draft Pick
Cash

[Cactus Jack]

New York Knicks get:
P.J. Tucker
28th Overall Draft Pick
34th Overall Draft Pick

Phoenix Suns get:
Kyle O'Quinn
2017 Houston Rockets Second Round Draft Pick
2019 Houston Rockets Second Round Draft Pick
2019 Cleveland Cavaliers Second Round Draft Pick
Cash

3 future 2's? Worthless. Pass.

[sportscrazy]

New York Knicks get:
P.J. Tucker
28th Overall Draft Pick
34th Overall Draft Pick

Phoenix Suns get:
Kyle O'Quinn
2017 Houston Rockets Second Round Draft Pick
2019 Houston Rockets Second Round Draft Pick
2019 Cleveland Cavaliers Second Round Draft Pick
Cash

3 future 2's? Worthless. Pass.

What kind of deal could get the Knicks 28 and 34?

[Saberestar]

Are we discussing about signing Lance Stephenson?!?! REALLY?!?!