2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread

MrMiyagi · Post #241 » by **MrMiyagi** » Sat Oct 8, 2016 10:17 pm

DirtyDez wrote:Is this year gonna be another ridiculous Knight bashing fest?

MrMiyagi · Post #242 » by **MrMiyagi** » Sat Oct 8, 2016 10:20 pm

Damkac wrote:Warren always looks like that.

Blackification · Post #243 » by **Blackification** » Sat Oct 8, 2016 10:41 pm

best one

MrMiyagi · Post #244 » by **MrMiyagi** » Sat Oct 8, 2016 10:52 pm

Damkac wrote:Knight's face worries me more. I don't think he is happy with his role.

No offense, but that's kind of a dumb extrapolation. It's probably something in the moment. His eyes are veering to the right, like something caught his attention. A photograph captures a moment, no need to read into that moment too much.

Damkac · Post #245 » by **Damkac** » Sat Oct 8, 2016 10:52 pm

When he will end his basketball career he will be amazing poker player.

Post #246 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Oct 8, 2016 11:23 pm

^The next Phil Ivey.

kennydorglas · Post #247 » by **kennydorglas** » Sun Oct 9, 2016 12:14 am

I'm crying with these TJ pictures hahahha
oh my

bigfoot · Post #248 » by **bigfoot** » Sun Oct 9, 2016 12:21 am

letsgosuns wrote:This is just an idea, I am not saying it will work, and I am not even sure if it is something I would consider.

Knight, Tucker, and Goodwin for Rudy Gay

I have never been a big fan of Gay, he is okay, but certainly not an elite player. However, I like him way more than Knight. This trade does a few things. Gets three players off the Suns that I believe are not part of the future, moves Warren to the bench where he can be the big bench scorer, and it actually takes pressure off of Booker. I could not help but think watching the game last night that Booker is literally alone out there. Once teams start double teaming him and focusing their entire game plan against him, who else will step up.

If Gay is on the team, that gives the Suns another additional guy that can isolate and create his own shot. Gay can play off Booker and I picture it like a Ray Allen and Paul Pierce style pairing when they played amazing together. I think Booker and Gay's style of play might compliment each other well.

Gay is in his contract year so he obviously has huge motivation to have a big year. If it does not work, the Suns can let him go in free agency. At the very least, it gets the Suns out of their long term commitment to Knight.

Again, Idk if this will work. It was just a thought. Bledsoe, Booker, Gay, Dudley, and Chandler with Warren, Chriss, Bender, Len, Wiliiams, Barbosa, and Ulis off the bench sounds pretty good on paper.

Would not consider it at all. First Gay is a 1 year rental, second Gay is 30 years old where as Knight is 24, and third he eats into both Warren's and Bender's development. Bad move all around just to get rid of players you don't like in Knight and Tucker. This team, while not perfect, is constructed such that our young players, Booker, Warren, Bender, and Chriss will get significant playing time. Adding Gay to the mix completely messes that up for Warren/Bender and Gay may take away shots from Booker.

Post #249 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Oct 9, 2016 12:59 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
Damkac wrote:Warren always looks like that.

His best smiles on the internet:

And the only one on the internet with much emotion:

dremill24 · Post #250 » by **dremill24** » Sun Oct 9, 2016 3:03 am

Spoiler:

Eesh..i guess now we know why he doesnt smile in pictures

theSUNalsoRISES · Post #251 » by **theSUNalsoRISES** » Sun Oct 9, 2016 4:21 am

I don't know...I am starting to think T.J. is a genius. That photo with Lebron makes the king look like he's a super fan of T.J. and not the other way round. People will see that pic with no idea who T.J. is (idiots I know) and think he must be a big deal, if Lebron is excited to be seen with him. Well played T.J.

gaspar · Post #252 » by **gaspar** » Sun Oct 9, 2016 5:59 am

DirtyDez wrote:Is this year gonna be another ridiculous Knight bashing fest?

You are long enough here to know the answer. Knight would have to start playing at an MVP level to get any credit at all. People have made up their opinions and they see what they want to see.

Zelaznyrules · Post #253 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Sun Oct 9, 2016 7:15 am

gaspar wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:Is this year gonna be another ridiculous Knight bashing fest?

You are long enough here to know the answer. Knight would have to start playing at an MVP level to get any credit at all. People have made up their opinions and they see what they want to see.

I hope we keep Knight for at least 2 more seasons. Not because I particularly like him but I think it's clear in today's world that you have to have a whipping boy. If Knight is gone I suspect the fan base will turn to Bender unless he gets a couple of years of development under his belt before the position becomes available.

Knight deserves some of the bashing he gets but it's a little sad when a Suns player is liked better by pretty much anyone that isn't a Suns fan. But it would be easier to support Brandon if Watson could get him to understand the difference between a decent shot and a horrible one. I think one of the most undervalued skills in this game is recognizing the need to value each possession. Forcing up a contested fall away 21 foot jumper early in the shot clock is not the way to do that. I can live with just about every other shortcoming he has but that habit has to go.

TeamTragic · Post #254 » by **TeamTragic** » Sun Oct 9, 2016 8:29 am

DirtyDez wrote:Is this year gonna be another ridiculous Knight bashing fest?

What do you think Dez?

DirtyDez · Post #255 » by **DirtyDez** » Sun Oct 9, 2016 9:04 am

GoranTragic wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:Is this year gonna be another ridiculous Knight bashing fest?

What do you think Dez?

Damkac · Post #256 » by **Damkac** » Sun Oct 9, 2016 9:22 am

Knight may be one of the best 6th man in the league. Microwave scorer of the bench is the best role for him. The question is if he will accept it.

However it's sad. McD traded IT for nothing because he can't start with Bledsoe and didn't want to be 6th man. Then he traded valuable Lakers pick for Knight to be a starter next to Bledsoe. And now Knight has to be 6th man anyway. Imagine if Suns had IT instead of Knight on a cheaper deal and the Lakers pick

Post #257 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Oct 9, 2016 11:24 am

Damkac wrote:Knight may be one of the best 6th man in the league. Microwave scorer of the bench is the best role for him. The question is if he will accept it.

However it's sad. McD traded IT for nothing because he can't start with Bledsoe and didn't want to be 6th man. Then he traded valuable Lakers pick for Knight to be a starter next to Bledsoe. And now Knight has to be 6th man anyway. Imagine if Suns had IT instead of Knight on a cheaper deal and the Lakers pick

Well without researching did they not use that Boston pick they got in the IT deal to get Chriss? Might not have happened if that was the case. And IT would be about as happy as Knight being 6th man...at least he starts right now in Boston.

Years90Suns · Post #258 » by **Years90Suns** » Sun Oct 9, 2016 2:22 pm

It is difficult to think Knight will fit in. I believe he needs to change his mindset and realize it is a team sport what he is playing, and not an individual one. It does not matter if you get a ton of points (or a ton os shots), unless yours teammates get some of them. It is impossible that a team wins anything unless important contribututions are made by at least 4-5 players.

In Portalnd's game, Knight was out there just looking for his best interests.
Everytime he got the ball, he shot or just sent a pass only when another player was really in a really advantageous position to score.
Everytime he was given the ball, or he himself collected a def rebound, instead of looking ahead to find a possible long pass, he put his head down and began dribbling at a very quiet way, only to be urged (from the bench and by players on the court) to at least dribble faster. One of the times he even began just running very slowly, then players shouted at him, he began running and finally he fould Chriss for a monster jam. But his first option into his head never is passing.
In another ocassion, with Ulis running up court trying to find a pass or setting his teammates for the attack, Knight was urging him to get him the ball. He did that with arms gestures. Finally, after a feo passes and screens, Knight received the ball in the corner for a dribble and, of course, a brick at the rim.
In more than once some other player had to tell him to go take his spot in a set play, which was the corner, and not the mid arc, which was meant for Barbosa to be there.
All these situations come because he needs to have the ball and he needs to shoot. It is something he can avoid.
He rarely finds a situation for a collegue which he believes it is better then the one he has. He believes his shots are always better than those of the rest of the team.He even gets nervous when we are preparing an offensive play and he is not getting the ball or he sees that he is not going to be the one that shoots.

Then, on deffense, he is not a player who sacrifices. He is unable to fight screens. He prefers to foul in the middle of a play before his man gets the opportunity to shoot, so he can avoid being pointed out as responsible for that basket.
In the fourth quarter, even when he was playing agains players not so known, he got embarrassed more than once. Crabbe (I believe) did a school combination with Plumlee. Crabbe passed the ball, Plumlee got it on the FT line and Crabbe just did a fake as to get open, only to cut to the basket. He received the ball for a quite easy layup with Knight unable to recover.

I am sorry, but I understand this as what it is: a collective game. All five players need to play defense and need to share the ball, although obviously some tasks are much better done by some players than by other ones. But it is impossible to win with such a selfish player out there. Either he changes, either we will have to get rid of him. He is no MJ, and he is not making the rest better.

darealjuice · Post #259 » by **darealjuice** » Sun Oct 9, 2016 2:52 pm

This place is turning into an echo chamber of Brandon Knight hate lol. All offseason people clamored for Booker to get the starting job and for Knight to accept the sixth man microwave role, and now when he does just that, everyone claims he's selfish and unhappy because he's being aggressive on offense when he's literally the only guy on the floor at the time who can consistently create shots for himself or other people. That's exactly what a player of his caliber should be doing off the bench, going straight at the second string guard that really doesn't have any business guarding him and getting to the bucket or drawing defenses for those dump offs like he did multiple times Friday night. He's playing the role everyone wanted him to have pretty well so far, and yet everyone still **** on him for it lol. If you don't like him, that's fine, but he's doing exactly what he should be doing on the court, he shouldn't be a facilitator when he's on the court with a bunch of rookies and bench role players, he should be taking it to them as our lead scorer off the bench. He should be aggressive as all get out when he's got these backup guards on him that clearly don't match up to him talent-wise. It seems like people really like to completely ignore the good he does and harp on the mistakes/stuff that they want him to be doing.

kennydorglas · Post #260 » by **kennydorglas** » Sun Oct 9, 2016 3:42 pm

It's ok to hate Knight.
He doesnt play like a 'valedictorian' in the court and people wont forget when he was our main ballhandler last year
That's why pretty much all the Bucks fans were relieved when he was gone.

Now he's playing in his best role but will he accept this role in the long run?
I think he's evolving because now he's actually resetting plays when he gets nothing on 1x1 and actually throwing some very decent lobs, so this is the silver lining.