2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

[Waylay13]

I could see the Suns trading Warren to the Kings for the 10th pick. The kings are losing Rudy Gay and Warren would be a good fill in for him. There have been reports that they (the kings) are having problems getting draft picks in to see them so this might be a good answer for their issues. The 10th pick would be a good place for the Suns to pick Zack Collins (who the kings dont really need).

[LukasBMW]

I think draft day is gonna be lit.

We've got so many options.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Given my propensity for adding another first round pick or two, And the fair possibility of moving Bledsoe anyways sooner or later, I have thrown together a few trade scenarios in which we would theoretically acquire the necessary first rounders to pull off a draft night "coup".

Feel free to share your thoughts with me on these proposals,

First Trade: Suns/Sacramento-

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydewtwhm .

Phoenix sends Bledsoe and a conditional future first to sacramento for Aaron Affalo and Anthony Tolliver and the #5 pick in the 2017 draft.(Nitkilina or Dennis Smith Jr.)

Why for Phoenix? This allows us to move Bledsoe before any further injury to his knees and also avoid another impending "Rich Paul contract fiasco. Finally,Bledsoe is great, However, We would be replacing him with a much larger(6'6 defensive stopper) who is younger, athletic and very talented, and better fits the timeline for our youth movement.

Why for Sacramento? It's been so very long since they have even experienced the playoffs, And even though they are young as well, It's well known their strong desire to get back into the playoffs. They have a lot of talented pieces inplace, But Bledsoe would undoubtedly increase their chances of a long awaited playoff birth. And would obviously provide immensely more leadership, experience, and production than most any rookie they might find even at that spot.

trade #2: Phoenix/Minnesota-

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9evqdt5 .

Phoenix trades: Eric Bledsoe and a conditional future first to Minnesota for Nikola Pekovic (bad contract) and Brandon Rush.


Why for Phoenix? Doing this allows them to very likely get either Nitkilina or Dennis Smith Jr. And even though we would have to most likely take back Pekovics' Bad Contract, It would Only be for a year or two at most And he would give us a big,very physical presence at center behind chandler. And Brandon Rush would give us a more than decent three point shooter and defensive option behind Bledsoe until his contract expires.

Why for Minnesota? Rubio is getting somewhat better, But not nearly good enough to help them get into the playoffs. Again, Bledsoes' experience, production , etc. would obviously give them that necessary boost they need to finally reach the playoffs. Add in the incentive of us taking back Pekovics' contract wich gives them much needed salary cap room when it comes time for them to resign their core of wiggins, towns, rubio, and lavine, And it's a "no brainer for them.


Trade #3Phoenix and Dallas-


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb5soj53 .


Phoenix trades Bledsoe and Alex Len(expiring) to Dallas for Wesley Matthews and Devin Harris.( Not my ideal trade ).

Why for Phoenix

? Pretty simple, I want their # 9 pick in order to secure Nitkilina or Smith. Also, even though I hate Wesley Matthews horrible contract, He still is a solid veteran 2 guard, defender and 3 point shooter. Again, I would hate to have to take on Matthews' contract, But Cuban is NO FOOL and we would have to give to get in this scenario. But I strongly believe mutual interest would be there. And as for Devin Harris, Once we move Bledsoe in this trade, He would give us a pretty solid backup option behind Nitkilina/Smith and Ulis.

Why for Dallas

? Basically so Dirk can compete in the playoffs before he retires. Also Cuban Wants to compete as well. Add in the salary cap savings from moving Matthews contract and again, it's another "no brainer".

Final Trade

-Phoenix and New York.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd2g4q6s .

Phoenix trades Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, And Alex Len to New York for Derrick rose, And Joakim Noah. For the record, I'm not a fan of Derrick Rose in his current condition, However he is an expiring contract and I really only added him to this scenario to make the numbers work and to help New York avoid any unnecessary awkward logjam, etc. Then again, New York may want to keep him . I also had us taking him back so we might hopefully convince them to take back knights' contract.

Why for Phoenix

? The #8 pick for starters, where in we can still feasibly acquire Nitkilina or Dennis Smith Jr. Also, We get Noah, who is a massive upgrade over Len, And would be optional as a more defensive oriented 4 for us. He would also give us a major boost in our rebounding.

Why for New York

? $ 7 million in cap savings to start, as well as the ability to move on from the derrick rose failure. Also Bledsoe gives them a near all star production in their point guard who also has the ability to play in jacksons' self coveted " triangle system". Finally, gives them a more reasonable chance to compete for the playoffs in a weaker eastern conference. Yes, I know that knight is currently considered by many to be a net negative contractually, But I think that perhaps a change of location might give him boost and let him start over somewhat. Plus New York is really short on shooting guards and knight might perform better in the "bright Lights" of New York.


Or you could just simplify the trade by:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb6ornu6 .


Phoenix simply trades Bledsoe and a future conditional first rounder for Derrick Rose and the #8 pick.

All in all, Not easy trades, But still more or less achievable depending on level of mutual interest and creativity on "mcDs' part.

Props for putting some time in on this but just an FYI guys like Rose and Len can only be traded in a sign and trade because they are hitting free agency. And with Len since he's an RFA it's even more complicated because I don't believe he can be combined with any other player going out in a trade per the CBA (unless they changed that in the latest version).

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybxmgn6h .


Thanks for the info man, I suspected I might of missed an important detail like that since they are both basically expiring so maybe sign and trade for Len to New York for Joakim Noah. They( New York) Can just let Rose expire, And the trade basically becomes Bledsoe and (resign and trade Len?) for Joakim Noah and the # 8 pick? I'm not sure on what that might save New York in cap space,But theoretically about $ 3 million each year and a resulting $ 29 million over the life of Bledsoes' contract in comparison to what they'd be paying for Noahs' contract.

So basically you'd be trading Bledsoe and Len( sign and trade) for Joakim Noah and the #8 pick. Does that sound more palatable perhaps? If not, Then perhaps a trade wherein we send Bledsoe to New York, And take back Kyle O'Quinn and Lance Thomas' contracts.I'd personally not like to take noah back, But I figure we might have to take something back in order to make the numbers work.

In the end my overall preference would be to fulfill a trade with sacramento or at the very least Minnesota to better ensure the likelihood of getting Nitkilina, or Dennis Smith Jr. But who knows what McD has up his sleeve.

[Damkac]

Why everybody wants to trade Warren?

[Saberestar]

Why everybody wants to trade Warren?

Not me.

[bwgood77]

Why everybody wants to trade Warren?

Not me.

Or me. Makes no sense, particularly since his value probably isn't nearly as high as his production. I doubt he will be traded though, given the way McD talked about him and the 4 other guys that are our core moving forward. So people can talk away...probably not gonna happen.

Edit: I see it was mentioned Warren for 10th pick. He doesn't hold that kind of trade value anyway, even though the Kings are always a wildcard.

[Dambo]

Why everybody wants to trade Warren?

I'd rather trade bender than warren. I really believe warren has got way more potential than bender imo.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Why everybody wants to trade Warren?

I'd rather trade bender than warren. I really believe warren has got way more potential than bender imo.

Whoa whoa whoa.

I think I have just diagnosed a sickness. Perhaps this explains why I've seen Dragan thrown into so many ill-considered trade suggestions. How many other people have Draganitis?

[Waylay13]

Why everybody wants to trade Warren?

Personally I have one person that I am focused on the Suns getting and that is Josh Jackson. I would rather turn Warren into a super 6th man and have him doing the scoring off the bench. I think that is his natural role. With Len becoming a RFA and his lack of production i could see the Suns thinking about making a trade to pick up a player that could replace Len and that is Zack Collins but he isnt worth the 4th pick but he might be worth trading a player like Warren to get.

[LukasBMW]

Personally,

I want to see a FULL YEAR of a Booker/TJ starting 2-3 with each getting 35+ minutes a game before I trade either one of them. I hope the front office feels the same way.

TJ has shown he has 3 point range, he has SICK work ethic, he is VERY efficient without the ball, he has potential on defense, and he can slash and get rebounds like nobody's business.

I only posted what I posted because if we bring on Iggy and draft another SF...that means we are either trading Warren or do not believe in him (or want him to play the 4 and Bender/Chris to play the 5).

[Qwigglez]

So I know I mentioned this before, but who would be for/opposed a Booker/Russell back court? Obviously many are VERY high on Booker. Some are low on Russell, but considering he has almost the exact same shooting #s as Booker (TS% and eFG% almost identical..one slightly higher in each), however Russell has almost twice as many steals per 36, pretty close to twice as many assists per 36, and more rebounds as well.

As high as people are on Booker, considering all this, you'd think people here would be similarly high on Russell. And obviously chemistry shouldn't be an issue considering they know each other, have friends and have played together I believe. And fits the age range of our team.

Here is their comparison.
http://bkref.com/tiny/WZQ58

Are you saying to trade the No 4 pick for DLO? I was going to mention this a couple days ago as I was watching YouTube videos of him. I was also thinking if Fox had DLo's jumper he would easily be the No 1 pick this year.
The only thing I question about Russell is his ability to lead a team, which is what I'm hearing is the main problem from Lakers fans. I'm not sure if he is worth the No 4 pick too especially if the Lakers are taking Ball.
If we are set on Warren being our starter or if we can trade the Miami picks for Russell then I would trade for him. Or maybe trade Warren and 2019 Miami pick for Russel and still draft JJ? Maybe trade Warren if we don't want to pay him.
What are you proposing Bdub?

[LukasBMW]

So I know I mentioned this before, but who would be for/opposed a Booker/Russell back court? Obviously many are VERY high on Booker. Some are low on Russell, but considering he has almost the exact same shooting #s as Booker (TS% and eFG% almost identical..one slightly higher in each), however Russell has almost twice as many steals per 36, pretty close to twice as many assists per 36, and more rebounds as well.

As high as people are on Booker, considering all this, you'd think people here would be similarly high on Russell. And obviously chemistry shouldn't be an issue considering they know each other, have friends and have played together I believe. And fits the age range of our team.

Here is their comparison.
http://bkref.com/tiny/WZQ58

Are you saying to trade the No 4 pick for DLO? I was going to mention this a couple days ago as I was watching YouTube videos of him. I was also thinking if Fox had DLo's jumper he would easily be the No 1 pick this year.
The only thing I question about Russell is his ability to lead a team, which is what I'm hearing is the main problem from Lakers fans. I'm not sure if he is worth the No 4 pick too especially if the Lakers are taking Ball.
If we are set on Warren being our starter or if we can trade the Miami picks for Russell then I would trade for him. Or maybe trade Warren and 2019 Miami pick for Russel and still draft JJ?
What are you proposing Bdub?

Disclaimer: I'm drunk

F-that!

Keep Warren
No trade for D-lo
Keep our pick
Trade Bledsoe

That's how it SHOULD GO DOWN!!!!

[LukasBMW]

Disclaimer = I'm drunk!!!!

Booker = Jesus Christ
TJ = pefect non alpha option
#4 pick = lots of star potential options
Bledsoe = high value trade bait to help us add another young stud

+ We still have Chriss/Bender/Ulis = That ain't chopped liver!!!!

THe future is BRIGHT! Shine bright like a diamond!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Qwigglez]

So I know I mentioned this before, but who would be for/opposed a Booker/Russell back court? Obviously many are VERY high on Booker. Some are low on Russell, but considering he has almost the exact same shooting #s as Booker (TS% and eFG% almost identical..one slightly higher in each), however Russell has almost twice as many steals per 36, pretty close to twice as many assists per 36, and more rebounds as well.

As high as people are on Booker, considering all this, you'd think people here would be similarly high on Russell. And obviously chemistry shouldn't be an issue considering they know each other, have friends and have played together I believe. And fits the age range of our team.

Here is their comparison.
http://bkref.com/tiny/WZQ58

Are you saying to trade the No 4 pick for DLO? I was going to mention this a couple days ago as I was watching YouTube videos of him. I was also thinking if Fox had DLo's jumper he would easily be the No 1 pick this year.
The only thing I question about Russell is his ability to lead a team, which is what I'm hearing is the main problem from Lakers fans. I'm not sure if he is worth the No 4 pick too especially if the Lakers are taking Ball.
If we are set on Warren being our starter or if we can trade the Miami picks for Russell then I would trade for him. Or maybe trade Warren and 2019 Miami pick for Russel and still draft JJ?
What are you proposing Bdub?

Disclaimer: I'm drunk

F-that!

Keep Warren
No trade for D-lo
Keep our pick
Trade Bledsoe

That's how it SHOULD GO DOWN!!!!

Me too! Woo!
Who we trading Bledsoe for?
I think the front office has many different scenarios they are running. Really I'm unsure which path they are taking. I could easily see them trade the pick and Miami picks for Butler. I could also see them keeping the pick and trading Bledsoe for another pick. Or even keep the pick and Bledsoe. I dunno anymore! But Booker is still the franchise future

[bwgood77]

So I know I mentioned this before, but who would be for/opposed a Booker/Russell back court? Obviously many are VERY high on Booker. Some are low on Russell, but considering he has almost the exact same shooting #s as Booker (TS% and eFG% almost identical..one slightly higher in each), however Russell has almost twice as many steals per 36, pretty close to twice as many assists per 36, and more rebounds as well.

As high as people are on Booker, considering all this, you'd think people here would be similarly high on Russell. And obviously chemistry shouldn't be an issue considering they know each other, have friends and have played together I believe. And fits the age range of our team.

Here is their comparison.
http://bkref.com/tiny/WZQ58

Are you saying to trade the No 4 pick for DLO? I was going to mention this a couple days ago as I was watching YouTube videos of him. I was also thinking if Fox had DLo's jumper he would easily be the No 1 pick this year.
The only thing I question about Russell is his ability to lead a team, which is what I'm hearing is the main problem from Lakers fans. I'm not sure if he is worth the No 4 pick too especially if the Lakers are taking Ball.
If we are set on Warren being our starter or if we can trade the Miami picks for Russell then I would trade for him. Or maybe trade Warren and 2019 Miami pick for Russel and still draft JJ? Maybe trade Warren if we don't want to pay him.
What are you proposing Bdub?

For me it would be the 4th pick if JJ was gone. Not saying I'd do it. I am probably not quite or nearly as high on Booker as some, but for Booker fans, especially ones that consider him a franchise type talent, based on their play to date, it SHOULD be a no brainer as he has arguably played better overall, but due to differing expectations based on either how high drafted or team they are on, one seems deemed a disappointment and one is considered a franchise player.

Make no mistake, I love Booker, but Russell nearly measures the same, so would you want two of them in the backcourt and one who is better at passing and getting steals, instead of adding Tatum, or the unknown of Fox, or whoever else? Then that would still leave Bledsoe up for trade for something really valuable. Just a thought. I don't imagine we keep Bledsoe long term, and since we are likely going nowhere short term, I don't know. If we could trade Bledsoe for one of those late lotto picks and get someone and get Russell for the 4th, would it be something people are interested in?

I guess part of the reason I bring it up is not only the nearly identical yet better #s to Booker, but also the fact that I am not completely enamored with anyone at 4 if Jackson is gone over anyone else in like the top 8-10.

[Qwigglez]

So I know I mentioned this before, but who would be for/opposed a Booker/Russell back court? Obviously many are VERY high on Booker. Some are low on Russell, but considering he has almost the exact same shooting #s as Booker (TS% and eFG% almost identical..one slightly higher in each), however Russell has almost twice as many steals per 36, pretty close to twice as many assists per 36, and more rebounds as well.

As high as people are on Booker, considering all this, you'd think people here would be similarly high on Russell. And obviously chemistry shouldn't be an issue considering they know each other, have friends and have played together I believe. And fits the age range of our team.

Here is their comparison.
http://bkref.com/tiny/WZQ58

Are you saying to trade the No 4 pick for DLO? I was going to mention this a couple days ago as I was watching YouTube videos of him. I was also thinking if Fox had DLo's jumper he would easily be the No 1 pick this year.
The only thing I question about Russell is his ability to lead a team, which is what I'm hearing is the main problem from Lakers fans. I'm not sure if he is worth the No 4 pick too especially if the Lakers are taking Ball.
If we are set on Warren being our starter or if we can trade the Miami picks for Russell then I would trade for him. Or maybe trade Warren and 2019 Miami pick for Russel and still draft JJ? Maybe trade Warren if we don't want to pay him.
What are you proposing Bdub?

For me it would be the 4th pick if JJ was gone. Not saying I'd do it. I am probably not quite or nearly as high on Booker as some, but for Booker fans, especially ones that consider him a franchise type talent, based on their play to date, it SHOULD be a no brainer as he has arguably played better overall, but due to differing expectations based on either how high drafted or team they are on, one seems deemed a disappointment and one is considered a franchise player.

Make not mistake, I love Booker, but Russell nearly measures the same, so do would you want two of them in the backcourt and one who is better at passing and getting steals, instead of adding Tatum, or the unknown of Fox, or whoever else? Then that would still leave Bledsoe up for trade for something really valuable. Just a thought. I don't imagine we keep Bledsoe long term, and since we are likely going nowhere short term, I don't know. If we could trade Bledsoe for one of those late lotto picks and get someone and get Russell for the 4th, would it be something people are interested in?

I guess part of the reason I bring it up is not only the nearly identical yet better #s to Booker, but also the fact that I am not completely enamored with anyone at 4 if Jackson is gone over anyone else in like the top 8-10.

Samesies. We are in the same wavelength on the draft pick beedubbleya. Not the same on Booker though obviously. I have shot 7 different pieces of trash into the trash can right now in my hotel room I yelled Booker every time im sure I made 3 of 7 which is pretty much 42% like Bookers FG %. It will go up this year though and he will average like 27 points. Idk how you aren't high on the kid who is playing so well at such a young age, like the most exciting player the franchise has had since Amare. I miss Amare, I wish we would have signed him two years ago just for funsies.
Anyway, I think perhaps the Lakers may not be as high on Russel so mAybe we can buy him low. I would certainly trade the two Miami picks over no 4 if the Lakers would do it.

[Qwigglez]

Oh and if Durant accepts less than max we are going to see 15-20 teams tanking. The NBA will be the most boring it's ever been.

[bwgood77]

Are you saying to trade the No 4 pick for DLO? I was going to mention this a couple days ago as I was watching YouTube videos of him. I was also thinking if Fox had DLo's jumper he would easily be the No 1 pick this year.
The only thing I question about Russell is his ability to lead a team, which is what I'm hearing is the main problem from Lakers fans. I'm not sure if he is worth the No 4 pick too especially if the Lakers are taking Ball.
If we are set on Warren being our starter or if we can trade the Miami picks for Russell then I would trade for him. Or maybe trade Warren and 2019 Miami pick for Russel and still draft JJ? Maybe trade Warren if we don't want to pay him.
What are you proposing Bdub?

For me it would be the 4th pick if JJ was gone. Not saying I'd do it. I am probably not quite or nearly as high on Booker as some, but for Booker fans, especially ones that consider him a franchise type talent, based on their play to date, it SHOULD be a no brainer as he has arguably played better overall, but due to differing expectations based on either how high drafted or team they are on, one seems deemed a disappointment and one is considered a franchise player.

Make not mistake, I love Booker, but Russell nearly measures the same, so do would you want two of them in the backcourt and one who is better at passing and getting steals, instead of adding Tatum, or the unknown of Fox, or whoever else? Then that would still leave Bledsoe up for trade for something really valuable. Just a thought. I don't imagine we keep Bledsoe long term, and since we are likely going nowhere short term, I don't know. If we could trade Bledsoe for one of those late lotto picks and get someone and get Russell for the 4th, would it be something people are interested in?

I guess part of the reason I bring it up is not only the nearly identical yet better #s to Booker, but also the fact that I am not completely enamored with anyone at 4 if Jackson is gone over anyone else in like the top 8-10.

Samesies. We are in the same wavelength on the draft pick beedubbleya. Not the same on Booker though obviously. I have shot 7 different pieces of trash into the trash can right now in my hotel room I yelled Booker every time im sure I made 3 of 7 which is pretty much 42% like Bookers FG %. It will go up this year though and he will average like 27 points. Idk how you aren't high on the kid who is playing so well at such a young age, like the most exciting player the franchise has had since Amare. I miss Amare, I wish we would have signed him two years ago just for funsies.
Anyway, I think perhaps the Lakers may not be as high on Russel so mAybe we can buy him low. I would certainly trade the two Miami picks over no 4 if the Lakers would do it.

OK, I will say that as a Suns fan I am super high on Booker, but still not as high as some, BUT, if I remove myself and view things and if I wasn't a Suns fan and just looked at everyone across the league, studied stats, etc, Booker isn't nearly as impressive as he seems from the focal point of just being a Suns fan.

Part of it is probably watching all the forums and part of it is just not wanting to set my hopes to high. I expect him to succeed and his second half of the season post turf toe or whatever paint an entirely different picture, and he is super young. I still also think Bender could end up the best talent on the roster 3-5 years from now who is invaluable, based on skillset, age, iq, passing, quickness, versatility..it seems like he can do everything. I think if he reaches his full potential his ceiling is MUCH higher. Chriss' probably too. And that's no knock on Booker...that is a good thing..Booker at this point is obviously more of a sure thing and somewhat known commodity. We have some exciting young players...it just depends on whether or not they fulfill their potential. And a guy like Bender could be a few years out still from really showing what he can do.

[Mulhollanddrive]

TJ Warren will be better than Iguodala for the rest of his life.

Only thing I can think of is we're going for short term contracts before our rookies need extending and McDonough might be able to save his job in the meantime.

[Blonde]

I don't mind the idea of adding Russell, but I wouldn't give up the #4 pick to get it done. I would approve of a 3-way that sent Bledsoe out (Orlando, NY, Dallas), their pick to LA, and Russell to us. It would depend who is still available, but I don't mind the fit. Russell's current defense is not ideal, but he has the ability to be a great passer and shooter from deep, with potential on the defensive end. If we got Jackson at 4 I would not be upset with a deal like this.