2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

[BobbieL]

Read on Twitter

Trying to think of what incentive a team would have to make a trade like this. Or how it'd even work.

A team that is way into the lux tax or has a really bad long-term deal might do it. Maybe for Batum or something. But OKC's tax issues are as bad as anybody.

I have done the math using Capulator for just grins. And I tried to do Anderson and players from Houston for Anthony. And I don't get why Presti would want to take on longer term debt when he can save 110m. But if you are OKC and can get a longer term player - hence maybe thats why talking to Miami - Waiters and James Johnson. You save a bit of money for OKC but have players on yoru roster as you are capped out. If you are Riley and can dump two long term contracts to be a player next summer - why not do it right

I thought about this for the Suns. Chandler and WArren or Dudley/Daniels and WArren. IF, IF the Suns truly wanted cap space next summer and the Thunder wanted a player while they are in cap hell for three years. The Suns would get cap space next summer. The Thunder could stretch say Chandler and get some cost savings. Seems like a horrible use of Warrens contract but it would get them 11m of cap space next summer to add to the pot.

But, if Riley were to dump say Waiters and Johnson for Anthony. Or Whiteside for Anthony, he is in business or starting to get in business, next summer.

My guess, it will be Anthony to the Heat for Whiteside or maybe a combo platter of two contracts. Batum makes a helluva lot of sense as my guess, Charlotte can buyout Anthony and save some money that way too

[bwgood77]

Read on Twitter

Any context? Is being cryptic on Twitter the new "tough guy cool" thing to do? I hate it.

It is all about music for him. His tweets are not usually related to basketball.

Oops, It looked like it was in a response to him being traded for Rozier...I thought it would show...but looking back just now I guess some user was responding to him on that tweet posing a trade.

Then it appears the tweet disappeared.

For those wondering his tweet just said "B"

[bwgood77]

Maybe it was in reference to Bender's performance last night. He gave it a B.

[bwgood77]

Read on Twitter

Trying to think of what incentive a team would have to make a trade like this. Or how it'd even work.

A team that is way into the lux tax or has a really bad long-term deal might do it. Maybe for Batum or something. But OKC's tax issues are as bad as anybody.

I have done the math using Capulator for just grins. And I tried to do Anderson and players from Houston for Anthony. And I don't get why Presti would want to take on longer term debt when he can save 110m. But if you are OKC and can get a longer term player - hence maybe thats why talking to Miami - Waiters and James Johnson. You save a bit of money for OKC but have players on yoru roster as you are capped out. If you are Riley and can dump two long term contracts to be a player next summer - why not do it right

I thought about this for the Suns. Chandler and WArren or Dudley/Daniels and WArren. IF, IF the Suns truly wanted cap space next summer and the Thunder wanted a player while they are in cap hell for three years. The Suns would get cap space next summer. The Thunder could stretch say Chandler and get some cost savings. Seems like a horrible use of Warrens contract but it would get them 11m of cap space next summer to add to the pot.

But, if Riley were to dump say Waiters and Johnson for Anthony. Or Whiteside for Anthony, he is in business or starting to get in business, next summer.

My guess, it will be Anthony to the Heat for Whiteside or maybe a combo platter of two contracts. Batum makes a helluva lot of sense as my guess, Charlotte can buyout Anthony and save some money that way too

I'm sure Thunder would take back less money per year...but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the other side unless that side is saving money in the long run.

Now if OKC is under the tax next year then taking on lesser long term money could make sense, but I was thinking they were over for the foreseeable future, even when Melo leaves.

[BobbieL]

Any context? Is being cryptic on Twitter the new "tough guy cool" thing to do? I hate it.

It is all about music for him. His tweets are not usually related to basketball.

Oops, It looked like it was in a response to him being traded for Rozier...I thought it would show...but looking back just now I guess some user was responding to him on that tweet posing a trade.

Then it appears the tweet disappeared.

For those wondering his tweet just said "B"

Rozier for Warren makes no sense

from the Celtics perspective

[bwgood77]

It is all about music for him. His tweets are not usually related to basketball.

Oops, It looked like it was in a response to him being traded for Rozier...I thought it would show...but looking back just now I guess some user was responding to him on that tweet posing a trade.

Then it appears the tweet disappeared.

For those wondering his tweet just said "B"

Rozier for Warren makes no sense

from the Celtics perspective

I know. Many fans on twitter don't think through trades for both teams like everyone does such a good job of doing here.

[LukasBMW]

Re 2019 Free Agency (we can had around $9 million to our projected space by stretching Knight next summer):

[spoiler]

This 2019 free-agent crop is loaded:

Kevin Durant (player option)

Kawhi Leonard (PO)

Kyrie Irving (PO)

Klay Thompson

Al Horford (PO)

Jimmy Butler (PO)

Marc Gasol (PO)

Goran Dragic (PO)

DeAndre Jordan

DeMarcus Cousins

Kristaps Porzingis (restricted)

Karl-Anthony Towns (R)

Kemba Walker

Kevin Love (PO)

I'd love to try to snag KP or KAT for the right price at the deadline. The Wolves may not be able to keep KAT given their cap situation. Plus, if we trade for a guy like KAT or KP, we could still have cap space to sign someone else before we extend them.

Make a solid offer for KAT or KP at the deadline, then throw an offer to Kemba/Kyrie in free agency.

Booker/KAT/Kemba would all be on max deals, but TJ is locked in cheap and Ayton is still on a rookie scale. We could afford it.

[bwgood77]

Re 2019 Free Agency (we can had around $9 million to our projected space by stretching Knight next summer):

[spoiler]

This 2019 free-agent crop is loaded:

Kevin Durant (player option)

Kawhi Leonard (PO)

Kyrie Irving (PO)

Klay Thompson

Al Horford (PO)

Jimmy Butler (PO)

Marc Gasol (PO)

Goran Dragic (PO)

DeAndre Jordan

DeMarcus Cousins

Kristaps Porzingis (restricted)

Karl-Anthony Towns (R)

Kemba Walker

Kevin Love (PO)

I'd love to try to snag KP or KAT for the right price at the deadline. The Wolves may not be able to keep KAT given their cap situation. Plus, if we trade for a guy like KAT or KP, we could still have cap space to sign someone else before we extend them.

Make a solid offer for KAT or KP at the deadline, then throw an offer to Kemba/Kyrie in free agency.

Booker/KAT/Kemba would all be on max deals, but TJ is locked in cheap and Ayton is still on a rookie scale. We could afford it.

Neither of those guys will be available, but I don't think you want a lumbering big like that next to Ayton anyway. Of course you wouldn't turn down getting a talent like that but the cost wouldn't be worth it. I don't even see any packages of our assets and players that would be enough if Booker and Ayton are off the table.

Unless you were proposing Ayton be a part of a deal.

[BobbieL]

A team that is way into the lux tax or has a really bad long-term deal might do it. Maybe for Batum or something. But OKC's tax issues are as bad as anybody.

I have done the math using Capulator for just grins. And I tried to do Anderson and players from Houston for Anthony. And I don't get why Presti would want to take on longer term debt when he can save 110m. But if you are OKC and can get a longer term player - hence maybe thats why talking to Miami - Waiters and James Johnson. You save a bit of money for OKC but have players on yoru roster as you are capped out. If you are Riley and can dump two long term contracts to be a player next summer - why not do it right

I thought about this for the Suns. Chandler and WArren or Dudley/Daniels and WArren. IF, IF the Suns truly wanted cap space next summer and the Thunder wanted a player while they are in cap hell for three years. The Suns would get cap space next summer. The Thunder could stretch say Chandler and get some cost savings. Seems like a horrible use of Warrens contract but it would get them 11m of cap space next summer to add to the pot.

But, if Riley were to dump say Waiters and Johnson for Anthony. Or Whiteside for Anthony, he is in business or starting to get in business, next summer.

My guess, it will be Anthony to the Heat for Whiteside or maybe a combo platter of two contracts. Batum makes a helluva lot of sense as my guess, Charlotte can buyout Anthony and save some money that way too

I'm sure Thunder would take back less money per year...but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the other side unless that side is saving money in the long run.

Now if OKC is under the tax next year then taking on lesser long term money could make sense, but I was thinking they were over for the foreseeable future, even when Melo leaves.

In my estimate with Capulator - I used WArren and Chandler because it was a little less than Melo but also Chandler was expiring so could be waived and stretched and Warren would be 11m next year. Thing is though, they still had higher lux tax than if they just let Melo go this year for both this year and nxext . Granted, maybe PResti wants a player on the roster as like has been said, they are in cap hell anyway.

Thats why I think its possibly Batum as was mentioned as that helps the Hornets and Batum is the same years as Westbrook and PG13.

Or its a Heat as Riley gets cap space starting next summer. Olynyk, James Johnson for Melo

[bwgood77]

I have done the math using Capulator for just grins. And I tried to do Anderson and players from Houston for Anthony. And I don't get why Presti would want to take on longer term debt when he can save 110m. But if you are OKC and can get a longer term player - hence maybe thats why talking to Miami - Waiters and James Johnson. You save a bit of money for OKC but have players on yoru roster as you are capped out. If you are Riley and can dump two long term contracts to be a player next summer - why not do it right

I thought about this for the Suns. Chandler and WArren or Dudley/Daniels and WArren. IF, IF the Suns truly wanted cap space next summer and the Thunder wanted a player while they are in cap hell for three years. The Suns would get cap space next summer. The Thunder could stretch say Chandler and get some cost savings. Seems like a horrible use of Warrens contract but it would get them 11m of cap space next summer to add to the pot.

But, if Riley were to dump say Waiters and Johnson for Anthony. Or Whiteside for Anthony, he is in business or starting to get in business, next summer.

My guess, it will be Anthony to the Heat for Whiteside or maybe a combo platter of two contracts. Batum makes a helluva lot of sense as my guess, Charlotte can buyout Anthony and save some money that way too

I'm sure Thunder would take back less money per year...but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the other side unless that side is saving money in the long run.

Now if OKC is under the tax next year then taking on lesser long term money could make sense, but I was thinking they were over for the foreseeable future, even when Melo leaves.

In my estimate with Capulator - I used WArren and Chandler because it was a little less than Melo but also Chandler was expiring so could be waived and stretched and Warren would be 11m next year. Thing is though, they still had higher lux tax than if they just let Melo go this year for both this year and nxext . Granted, maybe PResti wants a player on the roster as like has been said, they are in cap hell anyway.

Thats why I think its possibly Batum as was mentioned as that helps the Hornets and Batum is the same years as Westbrook and PG13.

Or its a Heat as Riley gets cap space starting next summer. Olynyk, James Johnson for Melo

I doubt they would want a contract plus Batum. I also think part of the reason Tony Parker signed with the Hornets was because of Batum (not that it would necessarily dissuade them from trading him, but makes me think they might be planning on sticking with him).

My guess is it would be to a team under the cap that simply has cap space to use, but still wants to get rid of a player...I was thinking Gallinari maybe but was thinking he expired. I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone like him.

Or if a team like the Hawks who are way under the cap took him and sent out someone they simply didn't want anymore and waived him....but OKC wouldn't want Schroder. Maybe someone like Bazemore who only makes $18 and has a player option for $19 next year. OKC could thing he can help and we will gamble he will opt out since so many teams have cap space which saves us money overall...if not he's useful.

[BobbieL]

I'm sure Thunder would take back less money per year...but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the other side unless that side is saving money in the long run.

Now if OKC is under the tax next year then taking on lesser long term money could make sense, but I was thinking they were over for the foreseeable future, even when Melo leaves.

In my estimate with Capulator - I used WArren and Chandler because it was a little less than Melo but also Chandler was expiring so could be waived and stretched and Warren would be 11m next year. Thing is though, they still had higher lux tax than if they just let Melo go this year for both this year and nxext . Granted, maybe PResti wants a player on the roster as like has been said, they are in cap hell anyway.

Thats why I think its possibly Batum as was mentioned as that helps the Hornets and Batum is the same years as Westbrook and PG13.

Or its a Heat as Riley gets cap space starting next summer. Olynyk, James Johnson for Melo

I doubt they would want a contract plus Batum. I also think part of the reason Tony Parker signed with the Hornets was because of Batum (not that it would necessarily dissuade them from trading him, but makes me think they might be planning on sticking with him).

My guess is it would be to a team under the cap that simply has cap space to use, but still wants to get rid of a player...I was thinking Gallinari maybe but was thinking he expired. I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone like him.

Or if a team like the Hawks who are way under the cap took him and sent out someone they simply didn't want anymore and waived him....but OKC wouldn't want Schroder. Maybe someone like Bazemore who only makes $18 and has a player option for $19 next year. OKC could thing he can help and we will gamble he will opt out since so many teams have cap space which saves us money overall...if not he's useful.

oh right - can't trade Batum with Parker. interesting to see what the owner allows PResti to do. as the best case is to buyout/than stretch Melo; stretch Singler and I think the Thunder save like 110m bucks!

[NTB]

https://streamable.com/rvqvy

Ryan answers Ulis-Booker thing.

[TOO]

If Draymond Green was the Suns starting PF, we'd be a much better team. Period.

Not a fact at all. It’s your opinion. Until he puts on a suns uniform that is just your opinion. Period.

What's it like posting on a basketball forum when you know nothing about basketball?

[BobbieL]

https://streamable.com/rvqvy

Ryan answers Ulis-Booker thing.

So it could be the agent told Booker before the same agent told Ulis

I have always thought blaming Ryan was wrong. Ryan tells the agent and than player - thats just HR protocol.

[bwgood77]

https://streamable.com/rvqvy

Ryan answers Ulis-Booker thing.

So it could be the agent told Booker before the same agent told Ulis

I have always thought blaming Ryan was wrong. Ryan tells the agent and than player - thats just HR protocol.

I thought earlier they said they followed protocol and contacted Ulis first, then the agent, then tried to contact Booker. That sounded right. I am not sure if that earlier conversation is wrong or if McD is just misspoke. The agent probably told Booker first but Ulis may have found out before the agent.

Anyway, I can't believe it's still being talked about, and of course out of all people to bring it up, our favorite guy Amin.

[asudevil]

https://streamable.com/rvqvy

Ryan answers Ulis-Booker thing.

So it could be the agent told Booker before the same agent told Ulis

I have always thought blaming Ryan was wrong. Ryan tells the agent and than player - thats just HR protocol.

I wouldnt be surprised if Booker was hanging with Ulis when his agent made the call that he was released.

I thought a bunch of people over reacted to the whole thing, especially having very little information to go off of. Hell we were trying to figure out what "upset" meant.

[BobbieL]

https://streamable.com/rvqvy

Ryan answers Ulis-Booker thing.

So it could be the agent told Booker before the same agent told Ulis

I have always thought blaming Ryan was wrong. Ryan tells the agent and than player - thats just HR protocol.

I thought earlier they said they followed protocol and contacted Ulis first, then the agent, then tried to contact Booker. That sounded right. I am not sure if that earlier conversation is wrong or if McD is just misspoke. The agent probably told Booker first but Ulis may have found out before the agent.

Anyway, I can't believe it's still being talked about, and of course out of all people to bring it up, our favorite guy Amin.

Amin Elh-ASS-an

I think we all know that Sarver probably was not the easiest guy to work for when Amin was video coordinator or whatever he was. I think we all can see with hindsight, Sarver made some bad moves. But Amin needs to quit the Suns hate or just the Suns stirring the pot. Its just bordering on absurb now. I will say, I think Amin did like the ARiza signing.

[lilfishi22]

Any context? Is being cryptic on Twitter the new "tough guy cool" thing to do? I hate it.

It is all about music for him. His tweets are not usually related to basketball.

Oops, It looked like it was in a response to him being traded for Rozier...I thought it would show...but looking back just now I guess some user was responding to him on that tweet posing a trade.

Then it appears the tweet disappeared.

For those wondering his tweet just said "B"

I've said it before but TJ's got the most boring twitter account in the NBA. All he does is post "cryptic" song lyrics. So lame

[LukasBMW]

Re 2019 Free Agency (we can had around $9 million to our projected space by stretching Knight next summer):

[spoiler]

I'd love to try to snag KP or KAT for the right price at the deadline. The Wolves may not be able to keep KAT given their cap situation. Plus, if we trade for a guy like KAT or KP, we could still have cap space to sign someone else before we extend them.

Make a solid offer for KAT or KP at the deadline, then throw an offer to Kemba/Kyrie in free agency.

Booker/KAT/Kemba would all be on max deals, but TJ is locked in cheap and Ayton is still on a rookie scale. We could afford it.

Neither of those guys will be available, but I don't think you want a lumbering big like that next to Ayton anyway. Of course you wouldn't turn down getting a talent like that but the cost wouldn't be worth it. I don't even see any packages of our assets and players that would be enough if Booker and Ayton are off the table.

Unless you were proposing Ayton be a part of a deal.

I agree that KAT would probably not be an ideal fit at the 4 next to Ayton given his lack of defense. But I disagree on your stance he might not be available. He's gonna get a max offer and Minny already has to pay Wiggins. If Butler still is having issues with KAT by midseason and they are not winning, they may look for a trade.

I think KP would be an absurd fit at the 4 next to Ayton. He's athletic enough to defend the 4 on defense and on offense he can stretch the floor. But here I think the issue is that the Knicks won't move him. They'll keep him and max him or match any offer.

As for our assets at the trade deadline, Tyson/Dudley/Ariza are all expiring. We have two picks in the 2019 draft (Buck + ours), and we may or may not have young assets to dangle. It depends on how JJ/Bender/Chriss/Oboko/Knight play. If some of those guys play well, including some of them, 2 or 3 picks, and expirings is about as good of a haul as you can get for a superstar.

[LukasBMW]

It is all about music for him. His tweets are not usually related to basketball.

Oops, It looked like it was in a response to him being traded for Rozier...I thought it would show...but looking back just now I guess some user was responding to him on that tweet posing a trade.

Then it appears the tweet disappeared.

For those wondering his tweet just said "B"

I've said it before but TJ's got the most boring twitter account in the NBA. All he does is post "cryptic" song lyrics. So lame

TJ should be untouchable right now due to:

-The fact that we have him LOCKED IN on a great contract
-Jackson's poor summer league play
-Benders poor summer league play
-Chriss' attitude rumors
-Mikal is an unknown with zero NBA minutes
-Ariza is a 1 year rental

All these wings and so many questions...except for TJ. Boring, humble, reliable, efficient TJ.