KD to the Suns

[bwgood77]

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For some reason, every time I think of Bazley I kind of think of Josh Jackson with a little longer wingspan. He has shot the 3 well this year on limited volume, but their career #s from 3 are similar, esp prior to this year.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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For some reason, every time I think of Bazley I kind of think of Josh Jackson with a little longer wingspan. He has shot the 3 well this year on limited volume, but their career #s from 3 are similar, esp prior to this year.

Yeah! I expect him to be ok off the bench. But definitely nothing to write home about as he simply doesn't honestly have any truly elite outlier traits. And his poor offense and lack of postseason experience, and lack of elite athleticism could be detrimental to us in specific matchups! He'll be ok against other bench lineups though. I just don't see him stopping or slowing down the starter level/ star level players we'll have to get through in the western conference.

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For some reason, every time I think of Bazley I kind of think of Josh Jackson with a little longer wingspan. He has shot the 3 well this year on limited volume, but their career #s from 3 are similar, esp prior to this year.

Yeah! I expect him to be ok off the bench. But definitely nothing to write home about as he simply doesn't honestly have any truly elite outlier traits. And his poor offense and lack of postseason experience, and lack of elite athleticism could be detrimental to us in specific matchups! He'll be ok against other bench lineups though. I just don't see him stopping or slowing down the starter level/ star level players we'll have to get through in the western conference.

I've thought it anyway, due to the similar size/athleticism/low iq, but reading that "Don't let him drive it to the rim" drove my thoughts further. Granted, I haven't watched him a lot, but he didn't play much being outside of the top 10 in mpg for OKC.

[lilfishi22]

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I'm all for it.

Mavs desperately need to improve their defense and getting a competent defensive big is the easiest way to improve the foundations of their defense. LMA does not help at all on that end. Funny thing is, their desperation has forced them to play McGee rotation minutes over the last few games lol

[TOO]

Or he loses all his money gambling and really starts drinking and his life goes down the ****. Risks can obviously go both ways. That's why they are risks.

In this case it's just sports and it doesn't actually matter.

Yeah, but depending on fandom level it can be disappointing if you've watched the team for years and plan to continue watching.

I have a very different mindset, I dont belive fandom level is a thing, you either take it too seriously or don't. Everything is out of your hands no matter how much you scream at the TV or at the players while you're in the stands, it doesn't change anything. The loud mouth is no more of a fan than the person who just moves on with their day.

[bwgood77]

In this case it's just sports and it doesn't actually matter.

Yeah, but depending on fandom level it can be disappointing if you've watched the team for years and plan to continue watching.

I have a very different mindset, I dont belive fandom level is a thing, you either take it too seriously or don't. Everything is out of your hands no matter how much you scream at the TV or at the players while you're in the stands, it doesn't change anything. The loud mouth is no more of a fan than the person who just moves on with their day.

Not really what I meant (being a loud mouth or whatever), but yeah, I don't get overly excited or overly down depending on what happens because it's all out of my control, but I do want to sit back and watch an entertaining and competitive team every year, and I enjoy seeing players grow with the team and the team having players that are easy guys to be a fan of.

I just meant more whether people are a long term fan through thick and thin or jump on because we got Barkley or had the SSOL team or get Rubio or get KD or whatever. Like the more casual fans who show up and watch and follow when the team gets really really good and doesn't pay attention at all if the team isn't very good.

[Pointgod]

Not a Suns fan but I think it’s worth taking a look at other superstar trades compared to what you guys gave up for KD.

AD-Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, the No. 4 pick in the 2019 draft, a 2022 first-round pick, a pick swap in the 2023 draft and the Lakers' 2024 first-round pick with the right to defer it to 2025.

Paul George-Danilo Gallinari; Shai Gilgeous-Alexander; Miami's 2021 and 2023 first-round picks; the Clippers' 2022, 2024 and 2026 first-round picks; pick swaps in 2023 and 2025

Westbrook to Houston- Chris Paul, a 2021 first-round pick, a 2024 first-round pick (top-four protected), a 2026 first-round pick (top-four protected) and two pick swaps

Harden to Nets-Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince to Cleveland, Caris LeVert, Rodions Kurucs, as well as three first round draft picks (2022, 2024 and 2026) and four first round pick swaps (2021, 2023, 2025 and 2027)

Donovan Mitchell-Collin Sexton, Lauri Markkanen, Ochai Agbaji, unprotected first-round draft picks in 2025, 2027 and 2029. The teams will also swap their first-round drafting rights in 2026 and 2028.

Rudy Gobert-Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley, Leandro Bolmaro, Walker Kessler (No. 22 pick in 2022 Draft), Jarred Vanderbilt, 2023 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick, 2026 pick swap, 2027 first-round pick, 2029 first-round pick

What Phoenix traded for Durant is the going rate for a superstar and I can argue even Durant at his age might be the highest impact superstar of the bunch. I’m a Lakers fan and I have no regrets that we made the AD trade because we won a title. I actually think the Nets didn’t get a great return for a player of Durant’s caliber and the fact that you guys kept Ayton is huge, like us keeping Ingram or the Nets keeping Jarrett Allen. That’s the biggest thing when it comes to there trades, keeping enough talent to extend the window. I get it that this could all go wrong, but the Suns window had closed prior to this trade. I think the key factor is that your owner has to be willing to spend and can’t be cheap trading 1st round picks for tax savings. Take it from a Lakers fan our biggest mistake was gutting our depth for Westbrook and not paying Caruso. We’d still be a top 6 team in the West if not for those moves. Enjoy Suns fans. It’s going to be an exciting couple of years.

KD is the oldest guy in the list but also the best. Given the Suns are 1 move away and KD wants to be here, this is a move you gotta make. Scared money don't make money and all that...

The outlier there is Gobert. Ouch, can you even get 1 pick back for him now? He's still a good player but that contract.. The 2nd Harden trade to Brooklyn was pretty bad too. Ben Simmons who's now a negative asset and 2 picks only

Yeah that Gobert trade is just wow. It’s amazing how he fell off so quickly. I thought he’d at least have some type of impact. Truth is though that the Wolves will probably get a pick for him when he’s an expiring contract or I can see him moves for supporting players similar to the Kristaps Porzingis trade. One thing about the NBA is no contract is unmovable. Also key to the Suns keeping Ayton because he can get them more pieces if they decide to trade him.

[Sunlight]

I don't miss the Twins. Those are role players that don't win games. Durant is the best player in the NBA. I'm glad we had him.

[bwgood77]

Not a Suns fan but I think it’s worth taking a look at other superstar trades compared to what you guys gave up for KD.

AD-Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, the No. 4 pick in the 2019 draft, a 2022 first-round pick, a pick swap in the 2023 draft and the Lakers' 2024 first-round pick with the right to defer it to 2025.

Paul George-Danilo Gallinari; Shai Gilgeous-Alexander; Miami's 2021 and 2023 first-round picks; the Clippers' 2022, 2024 and 2026 first-round picks; pick swaps in 2023 and 2025

Westbrook to Houston- Chris Paul, a 2021 first-round pick, a 2024 first-round pick (top-four protected), a 2026 first-round pick (top-four protected) and two pick swaps

Harden to Nets-Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince to Cleveland, Caris LeVert, Rodions Kurucs, as well as three first round draft picks (2022, 2024 and 2026) and four first round pick swaps (2021, 2023, 2025 and 2027)

Donovan Mitchell-Collin Sexton, Lauri Markkanen, Ochai Agbaji, unprotected first-round draft picks in 2025, 2027 and 2029. The teams will also swap their first-round drafting rights in 2026 and 2028.

Rudy Gobert-Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley, Leandro Bolmaro, Walker Kessler (No. 22 pick in 2022 Draft), Jarred Vanderbilt, 2023 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick, 2026 pick swap, 2027 first-round pick, 2029 first-round pick

What Phoenix traded for Durant is the going rate for a superstar and I can argue even Durant at his age might be the highest impact superstar of the bunch. I’m a Lakers fan and I have no regrets that we made the AD trade because we won a title. I actually think the Nets didn’t get a great return for a player of Durant’s caliber and the fact that you guys kept Ayton is huge, like us keeping Ingram or the Nets keeping Jarrett Allen. That’s the biggest thing when it comes to there trades, keeping enough talent to extend the window. I get it that this could all go wrong, but the Suns window had closed prior to this trade. I think the key factor is that your owner has to be willing to spend and can’t be cheap trading 1st round picks for tax savings. Take it from a Lakers fan our biggest mistake was gutting our depth for Westbrook and not paying Caruso. We’d still be a top 6 team in the West if not for those moves. Enjoy Suns fans. It’s going to be an exciting couple of years.

KD is the oldest guy in the list but also the best. Given the Suns are 1 move away and KD wants to be here, this is a move you gotta make. Scared money don't make money and all that...

The outlier there is Gobert. Ouch, can you even get 1 pick back for him now? He's still a good player but that contract.. The 2nd Harden trade to Brooklyn was pretty bad too. Ben Simmons who's now a negative asset and 2 picks only

Yeah that Gobert trade is just wow. It’s amazing how he fell off so quickly. I thought he’d at least have some type of impact. Truth is though that the Wolves will probably get a pick for him when he’s an expiring contract or I can see him moves for supporting players similar to the Kristaps Porzingis trade. One thing about the NBA is no contract is unmovable. Also key to the Suns keeping Ayton because he can get them more pieces if they decide to trade him.

Gobert's playing well tonight as the Wolves clobber the Mavs. I haven't paid real close attention to Minny. I know Towns has been out a lot but I thought Gobert was playing pretty well.

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I'm all for it.

Mavs desperately need to improve their defense and getting a competent defensive big is the easiest way to improve the foundations of their defense. LMA does not help at all on that end. Funny thing is, their desperation has forced them to play McGee rotation minutes over the last few games lol

Truly not sure how he will help the mavs.
Maybe the Kyrie trade helped in some ways, not in others

[lilfishi22]

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I'm all for it.

Mavs desperately need to improve their defense and getting a competent defensive big is the easiest way to improve the foundations of their defense. LMA does not help at all on that end. Funny thing is, their desperation has forced them to play McGee rotation minutes over the last few games lol

Truly not sure how he will help the mavs.
Maybe the Kyrie trade helped in some ways, not in others

Gives them a little more interior scoring I suppose. But yeah, on paper, I'm not sure how he helps the Mavs.

[lilfishi22]

KD is the oldest guy in the list but also the best. Given the Suns are 1 move away and KD wants to be here, this is a move you gotta make. Scared money don't make money and all that...

The outlier there is Gobert. Ouch, can you even get 1 pick back for him now? He's still a good player but that contract.. The 2nd Harden trade to Brooklyn was pretty bad too. Ben Simmons who's now a negative asset and 2 picks only

Yeah that Gobert trade is just wow. It’s amazing how he fell off so quickly. I thought he’d at least have some type of impact. Truth is though that the Wolves will probably get a pick for him when he’s an expiring contract or I can see him moves for supporting players similar to the Kristaps Porzingis trade. One thing about the NBA is no contract is unmovable. Also key to the Suns keeping Ayton because he can get them more pieces if they decide to trade him.

Gobert's playing well tonight as the Wolves clobber the Mavs. I haven't paid real close attention to Minny. I know Towns has been out a lot but I thought Gobert was playing pretty well.

I've stopped trying to figure out the Wolves. They've had good talent but just never put it together and constantly underwhelm and underachieve. The only common denominator seems to be KAT and that goes back a number of years, not just now when he's injured.

[lilfishi22]

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Love Sam's (joke) idea of running this line up

PG: Book
SG: Okogie
SF: Ish
PF: Stanley Johnson
C: KD

Two killers on offense and 3 dudes who don't really know what they're doing nor shoot but will be physical, will bully dudes all over the court and just be a menace.

[matt131]

I feel like this may have been brought up over the summer, but I forgot that Jarrett jack and KD have known each other since their childhoods and Durant leaned on Jack when making his decision to play for golden state. Wonder if Jack was an influence getting KD to want to play in Phoenix?


https://amp.www.complex.com/sports/2018/03/surprising-role-jarrett-jack-played-in-kevin-durant-signing-with-warriors

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah that Gobert trade is just wow. It’s amazing how he fell off so quickly. I thought he’d at least have some type of impact. Truth is though that the Wolves will probably get a pick for him when he’s an expiring contract or I can see him moves for supporting players similar to the Kristaps Porzingis trade. One thing about the NBA is no contract is unmovable. Also key to the Suns keeping Ayton because he can get them more pieces if they decide to trade him.

Gobert's playing well tonight as the Wolves clobber the Mavs. I haven't paid real close attention to Minny. I know Towns has been out a lot but I thought Gobert was playing pretty well.

I've stopped trying to figure out the Wolves. They've had good talent but just never put it together and constantly underwhelm and underachieve. The only common denominator seems to be KAT and that goes back a number of years, not just now when he's injured.

I think they are going to finish the season strong. Conley even at his semi washed state is so much better for actually winning than DLo.

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[Revived]

For some reason, every time I think of Bazley I kind of think of Josh Jackson with a little longer wingspan. He has shot the 3 well this year on limited volume, but their career #s from 3 are similar, esp prior to this year.

Yeah! I expect him to be ok off the bench. But definitely nothing to write home about as he simply doesn't honestly have any truly elite outlier traits. And his poor offense and lack of postseason experience, and lack of elite athleticism could be detrimental to us in specific matchups! He'll be ok against other bench lineups though. I just don't see him stopping or slowing down the starter level/ star level players we'll have to get through in the western conference.

I've thought it anyway, due to the similar size/athleticism/low iq, but reading that "Don't let him drive it to the rim" drove my thoughts further. Granted, I haven't watched him a lot, but he didn't play much being outside of the top 10 in mpg for OKC.

Reading up his Wiki page is interesting. He was a 5 star recruit in high school and committed to Ohio State at first. Then later he de-committed from them and committed to Syracuse. Then he declared he’s gonna skip college altogether and go to the G league instead and hired Rich Paul as his agent. He even made big statements about how G league will help him get to nba more than college and all that. Then funny enough, he decided he’s gonna skip G league as well and train on his own after signing a deal with New Balance for $1 million.

He was quite an indecisive person, at least when he was younger.

Syracuse HC legend Jim Boeheim didn’t like that Bazley decomitted and even said “I hope he does great. But I don't think it's the way it will be. I think it will be proven it's not the way to get to the NBA”.

He was drafted #23 by OKC. Considering his status as a 5 star recruit with good size, he may have been drafted in the lottery if he stayed with Syracuse or at least played in G league. But I guess he could’ve looked bad and then gotten drafted altogether as well. Depends on how much confidence he had in his game I guess.

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Love Sam's (joke) idea of running this line up

PG: Book
SG: Okogie
SF: Ish
PF: Stanley Johnson
C: KD

Two killers on offense and 3 dudes who don't really know what they're doing nor shoot but will be physical, will bully dudes all over the court and just be a menace.

People keep haranguing about our depth, which I can see why.....I mean we staggered Bridges and CamJo a lot with our bench. But we now get to rest CP3/Booker/Ayton and throw some of KD out there?

This kind of line-up can score and defend against anyone.

Payne/Saben Lee
Lee/Ross
Okogie/Warren
KD
Biz

Or if you want all shooting, 5 out.

Payne
D-Lee
Ross
TJ Warren
KD

Or you let CP go Ham

CP
Lee
Ross
TJ Warren
Biz


I actually don't think our bench is going to struggle that much, especially with a healthy/hopefully rejuvenated C-Payne.

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[Book1Nation]

Vibes were good tonight with KD in the building. Can’t wait for him to get on the floor