2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V

[lilfishi22]

The only two positives with this season so far is:
1 - They don't have the leagues worst contract with Beal. Sixers have two worse.
2 - They don't have the most mocked and hated FO/ownership. That's the Mavs.

Nothing else though.

Prediction:
Beal,Durant and Booker all have serious injuries before the end of the season crippling any chances other teams want them.

3. We're not the biggest story this season, thanks again Mavs

[DirtyDez]

The hilarious thing is I still think we make the play-in by default. Personally I think getting swept by OKC would give Ishbia more incentive to go nuclear because it’d be two first rd flameouts in a row rather than bowing out in irrelevant fashion.

[sunsbum]

Why would anyone want to make the playoffs with this roster?

Also the Booker hate has gone way too far. I’m glad we aren’t trading him. I wish we could trade some fans though.

The best thing the Suns can do is trade Booker
He would bring back the most assets to start a rebuild

He can go to Detroit - play second fiddle to Cade and thrive

yes if we were going to do a full rebuild that is obvious. Ishbia is not and I don’t mind. I love book and it would be a great redemption story if we could get a good team around him again. Devin was apart of a couple of all time best suns teams, let’s not forget that version is still in there somewhere.

[lilfishi22]

Why would anyone want to make the playoffs with this roster?

Also the Booker hate has gone way too far. I’m glad we aren’t trading him. I wish we could trade some fans though.

The best thing the Suns can do is trade Booker
He would bring back the most assets to start a rebuild

He can go to Detroit - play second fiddle to Cade and thrive

yes if we were going to do a full rebuild that is obvious. Ishbia is not and I don’t mind. I love book and it would be a great redemption story if we could get a good team around him again. Devin was apart of a couple of all time best suns teams, let’s not forget that version is still in there somewhere.

100% agree

[BobbieL]

The best thing the Suns can do is trade Booker
He would bring back the most assets to start a rebuild

He can go to Detroit - play second fiddle to Cade and thrive

yes if we were going to do a full rebuild that is obvious. Ishbia is not and I don’t mind. I love book and it would be a great redemption story if we could get a good team around him again. Devin was apart of a couple of all time best suns teams, let’s not forget that version is still in there somewhere.

100% agree

I just don’t think they can build the team enough without many picks

I just think they would be spinning wheels unless Durant brings back a lot more than I think he will

Have to be honest KD and Booker are .. just not feeling it ..

[Slim Charless]

Phoenix Suns guard Bradley Beal out second half vs Lakers with left hamstring soreness

Beal has had injuries to his right shoulder, right elbow, right knee, left ankle, left great toe, left calf and now left hamstring soreness.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/03/16/suns-guard-bradley-beal-out-second-half-vs-lakers-with-new-injury/82475121007/

Unbelievable. AGAIN lol. And the worst thing it's that when he plays he isn't a factor at all.

If the Suns want to move on from Beal - the best thing they can do is trade BOoker and Durant
He may not want to stay
granted, what player are you trading for ? probably a worse contract

I just don't know how Ishbia can watch today against the Lakers, see the pathetic effort - and think, I want to keep anybody on this roster

If we're moving KD and Booker, then we should hang onto Beal. He'll be the 1st option on offense and will put up numbers and other teams might be more interested in him.

That, combined with our likely tanking team, means he might be more inclined to waive his NTC-if a certain team makes him want to chase a ring.

[Slim Charless]

The hilarious thing is I still think we make the play-in by default. Personally I think getting swept by OKC would give Ishbia more incentive to go nuclear because it’d be two first rd flameouts in a row rather than bowing out in irrelevant fashion.

1000% this.

If we all really want to force Ish's hand here, then a humiliating sweep or even a smashing in the play-in is what everyone here needs to root for. It embarrassment on a national level and will make Ish the central figure when the sportsworld is focusing on the playoffs.

I don't see him moving Booker if it's just us missing the playoffs. He can chalk that up to whatever. Us getting beaten by 15+ every night by OKC for 4 straight games? Then giving interviews about that beating each time?

Maybe.

Either way, e need Detroit and Houston to get killed in their playoffs too i think

[Slim Charless]

Yep! We really blew great opportunities opportunities with both Zion and Suggs. Just ridiculous ineptitude!

Dude.

I promoted us going after both of those dudes multiple times. I got mocked and laughed at for it. Unfortunately we need to buy low on guys in order to get an elite player.

Alot of posters here don't realize this and don't get guys can have down years. That's when you strike.

You also promoted (multiple times) going after Embiid with the same rationale

You just made my point for me.

1 year ago...and 2 years ago..and probably 3 years ago, I was in here trying to convince everyone that we can buy low on a guy and take a shot on him. We probably could've gotten him for Dunn and filler back in November, now the price has changed and it will take actual stuff for him.

Same idea over in Philly. If Beal waives his NTC, then we can get either of those guys (Embiid or PG13) for him-PLUS stuff.

I'm guessing most wouldn't do those trades here. I would and wouldn't think twice. So yes, I'm still down to trade for former MVP Joel Embiid to your point. I'll roll the dice on that.

[BobbieL]

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/03/16/suns-guard-bradley-beal-out-second-half-vs-lakers-with-new-injury/82475121007/

Unbelievable. AGAIN lol. And the worst thing it's that when he plays he isn't a factor at all.

If the Suns want to move on from Beal - the best thing they can do is trade BOoker and Durant
He may not want to stay
granted, what player are you trading for ? probably a worse contract

I just don't know how Ishbia can watch today against the Lakers, see the pathetic effort - and think, I want to keep anybody on this roster

If we're moving KD and Booker, then we should hang onto Beal. He'll be the 1st option on offense and will put up numbers and other teams might be more interested in him.

That, combined with our likely tanking team, means he might be more inclined to waive his NTC-if a certain team makes him want to chase a ring.

Bingo!!! That’s it

[lilfishi22]

Dude.

I promoted us going after both of those dudes multiple times. I got mocked and laughed at for it. Unfortunately we need to buy low on guys in order to get an elite player.

Alot of posters here don't realize this and don't get guys can have down years. That's when you strike.

You also promoted (multiple times) going after Embiid with the same rationale

You just made my point for me.

1 year ago...and 2 years ago..and probably 3 years ago, I was in here trying to convince everyone that we can buy low on a guy and take a shot on him. We probably could've gotten him for Dunn and filler back in November, now the price has changed and it will take actual stuff for him.

Same idea over in Philly. If Beal waives his NTC, then we can get either of those guys (Embiid or PG13) for him-PLUS stuff.

I'm guessing most wouldn't do those trades here. I would and wouldn't think twice. So yes, I'm still down to trade for former MVP Joel Embiid to your point. I'll roll the dice on that.

1. You wanted Embiid for Booker
2. The only reason Beal isn't the worst contract in the NBA, is because PG and Embiid exists. It's like you want to make it a mission to have the worst contract in the NBA on our roster.

[Slim Charless]

You also promoted (multiple times) going after Embiid with the same rationale

You just made my point for me.

1 year ago...and 2 years ago..and probably 3 years ago, I was in here trying to convince everyone that we can buy low on a guy and take a shot on him. We probably could've gotten him for Dunn and filler back in November, now the price has changed and it will take actual stuff for him.

Same idea over in Philly. If Beal waives his NTC, then we can get either of those guys (Embiid or PG13) for him-PLUS stuff.

I'm guessing most wouldn't do those trades here. I would and wouldn't think twice. So yes, I'm still down to trade for former MVP Joel Embiid to your point. I'll roll the dice on that.

1. You wanted Embiid for Booker
2. The only reason Beal isn't the worst contract in the NBA, is because PG and Embiid exists. It's like you want to make it a mission to have the worst contract in the NBA on our roster.

1. Now I'm saying trade Beal for him. Not Booker so that's irrelevant.

2. Not a straight up swap, I'd want added incentives.

[BobbieL]

You just made my point for me.

1 year ago...and 2 years ago..and probably 3 years ago, I was in here trying to convince everyone that we can buy low on a guy and take a shot on him. We probably could've gotten him for Dunn and filler back in November, now the price has changed and it will take actual stuff for him.

Same idea over in Philly. If Beal waives his NTC, then we can get either of those guys (Embiid or PG13) for him-PLUS stuff.

I'm guessing most wouldn't do those trades here. I would and wouldn't think twice. So yes, I'm still down to trade for former MVP Joel Embiid to your point. I'll roll the dice on that.

1. You wanted Embiid for Booker
2. The only reason Beal isn't the worst contract in the NBA, is because PG and Embiid exists. It's like you want to make it a mission to have the worst contract in the NBA on our roster.

1. Now I'm saying trade Beal for him. Not Booker so that's irrelevant.

2. Not a straight up swap, I'd want added incentives.

Ishbia would trade Beal for PG13, give up picks and keep KD and Booker to just show he is all in

[Ghost of Kleine]

The hilarious thing is I still think we make the play-in by default. Personally I think getting swept by OKC would give Ishbia more incentive to go nuclear because it’d be two first rd flameouts in a row rather than bowing out in irrelevant fashion.

1000% this.

If we all really want to force Ish's hand here, then a humiliating sweep or even a smashing in the play-in is what everyone here needs to root for. It embarrassment on a national level and will make Ish the central figure when the sportsworld is focusing on the playoffs.

I don't see him moving Booker if it's just us missing the playoffs. He can chalk that up to whatever. Us getting beaten by 15+ every night by OKC for 4 straight games? Then giving interviews about that beating each time?

Maybe.

Either way, e need Detroit and Houston to get killed in their playoffs too i think

Possibly! But Ishbias' already shown to be severely narcissistically delusional! So knowing what we know of him, in his twisted perspective, he'll try to spin the fact that we made the play in by saying we're obviously really close and only need minor roster adjustments and continuity.

He'll then start claiming that we responsibly need to run it back and we'll secure a higher seed by virtue of proving we could secure a play in spot despite all the turmoil as a testament to this team's talent and abilities. And with better chemistry and continuity!

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

Mr. Bradley " I hold the effing cards" Beal!!
Just reminding Ishbia who's really in control here.

Reminds me to watch DKR again. Whenever I put on a Nolan/Bale Batman film, I always revert to the DK or Begins but always seem to leave out Rises

Who's your favorite character on their hero or villain man? And why?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

Depending upon the package return, they can have him. Just not for pennies on the dollar!

[Sunsdeuce]

Read on Twitter

Depending upon the package return, they can have him. Just not for pennies on the dollar!

Heat don’t have the assets to make it happen.

[mkot]

The hilarious thing is I still think we make the play-in by default. Personally I think getting swept by OKC would give Ishbia more incentive to go nuclear because it’d be two first rd flameouts in a row rather than bowing out in irrelevant fashion.

1000% this.

If we all really want to force Ish's hand here, then a humiliating sweep or even a smashing in the play-in is what everyone here needs to root for. It embarrassment on a national level and will make Ish the central figure when the sportsworld is focusing on the playoffs.

I don't see him moving Booker if it's just us missing the playoffs. He can chalk that up to whatever. Us getting beaten by 15+ every night by OKC for 4 straight games? Then giving interviews about that beating each time?

Maybe.

Either way, e need Detroit and Houston to get killed in their playoffs too i think

Being the only team to take 2 games from the Nuggets and having all the talking heads basically "praising" the Suns losing the series 2-4 despite getting blown out in 3 of those games, including another 30 point loss in elimination was the worse thing happened to this team. Book got hot and we barely won, and Ishibia thought we were close to winning it all

Getting swept 2 years in a row would be humiliating, but maybe that's what it would take for the ownership to finally acknowledge that this team aint it

[Slim Charless]

Read on Twitter

Depending upon the package return, they can have him. Just not for pennies on the dollar!

Heat don’t have the assets to make it happen.

Ware, plus picks and either JJJ or Jovic is enough. Filler will likely be Rozier and Duncan. I'd rather HOU, but they might wanna wait out Booker.

[lilfishi22]

You just made my point for me.

1 year ago...and 2 years ago..and probably 3 years ago, I was in here trying to convince everyone that we can buy low on a guy and take a shot on him. We probably could've gotten him for Dunn and filler back in November, now the price has changed and it will take actual stuff for him.

Same idea over in Philly. If Beal waives his NTC, then we can get either of those guys (Embiid or PG13) for him-PLUS stuff.

I'm guessing most wouldn't do those trades here. I would and wouldn't think twice. So yes, I'm still down to trade for former MVP Joel Embiid to your point. I'll roll the dice on that.

1. You wanted Embiid for Booker
2. The only reason Beal isn't the worst contract in the NBA, is because PG and Embiid exists. It's like you want to make it a mission to have the worst contract in the NBA on our roster.

1. Now I'm saying trade Beal for him. Not Booker so that's irrelevant.

2. Not a straight up swap, I'd want added incentives.

It's relevant pointing out the contradiction as while you say you were were promoting buying low, you evidently were all in on buying pretty high (using Book) on a clearly distressed asset in Embiid just last month

You're not going to get much in the way of incentives for Beal because he's likely not going to remove that NTC from his contract either when moved. If I'm Philly trying to offload PG/Embiid and I'm not getting anything back of real value in salary relief (Beal still has $110m/2years left) nor getting some useful player back, what am I paying incentives for really? Any incentives in a Beal for PG/Embiid type trade probably won't be valuable and quite frankly, I'd rather just keep Beal than add more long term salary to this team for maybe some crap pick or player.

[lilfishi22]

Read on Twitter

Mr. Bradley " I hold the effing cards" Beal!!
Just reminding Ishbia who's really in control here.

Reminds me to watch DKR again. Whenever I put on a Nolan/Bale Batman film, I always revert to the DK or Begins but always seem to leave out Rises

Who's your favorite character on their hero or villain man? And why?

I don't have a favourite character. They are all intriguing in their own way because no one seems to be fundamentally good or evil, they all have a interesting motivations and do morally ambiguous things