The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[dremill24]

For me it comes down to the fact that we already have like 4 SGs on our roster and neither Green/Vassell are good enough to justify moving Booker out of position.

My point is: Barrett isn't any different in that regard.

I agree that Barrett is not much to be excited over, but I've always viewed him as more of a SF anyway. And the reporting has been that it would be Poeltle + Quickley OR Barrett, and Quickley would be my clear choice.

The idea that Barrett is a "SF" and therefore a better fit with Book is kinda my issue.

Why do folks call him a SF? Mostly because he's kinda burly and isnt a great shooter, making people hesitant to call him a SG. Those arent things that magically make him a good fit next to Booker. He needs either a high-level orchestrator with the ball or a high-level defender with size/length and ability to stretch the floor. Barrett is not that great at any of those things.

[RaisingArizona]

Houston or Minnesota is the only somewhat intriguing offer. Probably leaning more towards Houston but need one of our firsts back

[dremill24]

Working through some Houston ideas. Toughest part is finding a home for Green obviously. I still kinda like Utah as a destination, as he offers a talent upgrade now (there are rumblings they wanna start to get better) and still has a good amount of upside at 23 with crazy tools and good ball skills.

HOU: Green, Smith Jr, Landale, Williams, #10, two future 2nds for Durant
UTA: Clarkson, Martin Jr, Hendricks for Green
BRK: TPEs for Williams, Martin Jr, two future 2nds
PHX: Durant for Smith Jr, Hendricks, Clarkson, Landale, #10

First, you shave about $7-8mil off the books immediately (when accounting for pick #10). If they stay below the second apron all season, they'd even be able to use a ~$13mil TPE to use next summer.

For me a Rockets deal is about Jabari + #10. I dont really care what else is in the package tbh. Sure, I'd take an extra pick but I dont think you're gonna get it.

Between Jabari and Hendricks, you get two young, long, athletic forwards who play defense and may end up being able to credibly play any of the 3, 4, or 5 positions. Jabari is already an impact role player with upside, while Hendricks is more of a lotto ticket. With #10, you can take a swing on another building block to grow with the team (Coward, Fears, Jakucionis, Maluach, etc.).

Tough sell for Utah I think. But with a new GM and a lack of track record from Hendricks (injury not insignificant), I think a buy-low gamble on Green is reasonable here.

Would still have some work to do. Clarkson needs to go and it would be nice to get off Landale. But if they also ditch Martin/Micic they should be below the second apron and able to send cash or aggregate guys if they want to balance out the roster.

Its no homerun but between Jabari, Hendricks, and #10, its a legitimate shot for at least two real building blocks (but maybe not star ones) and a much more manageable salary structure

[Ghost of Kleine]

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No Jabari, no deal

Exactly! He's the crux value centerpiece of the Houston trade. I'm just not sure Houston gives in and includes him though?

[Ghost of Kleine]

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So Jabari is on the table apparently…

If this is true, then the suns would be very stupid to not just accept Green to try Jabari Smith and it 10th pick back. There's going to he a number of teams that we could trade J Green to, and it shouldn't be that difficult to move him for other pieces.

[Saberestar]

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So Jabari is on the table apparently…

If this is true, then the suns would be very stupid to not just accept Green to try Jabari Smith and it 10th pick back. There's going to he a number of teams that we could trade J Green to, and it shouldn't be that difficult to move him for other pieces.

The offer that Gambo said is Jalen Green and Jabari Smith for KD.

No picks or at least not any of our picks back.

[lilfishi22]

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So Jabari is on the table apparently…

If this is true, then the suns would be very stupid to not just accept Green to try Jabari Smith and it 10th pick back. There's going to he a number of teams that we could trade J Green to, and it shouldn't be that difficult to move him for other pieces.

You might have posted before but what is your take on Jabari as a young player?

[Ghost of Kleine]

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This is the right perspective obviously! Top trades currently if the reports are accurate:

1- Houston.
KD for J Green/ Jabari Smith Jr/ filler/ 10th pick?
** Trade J Green to any number of teams for other pieces, expirings and picks.

2- Toronto.
KD for Barrett/ Poetl/ Filler/ 9th pick.
** Trade Barrett/ 9th pick for Cam Johnson/ Clowney/ 19th pick/ 26th pick/ 36th pick/ future 1st?

3- Minnesota.
KD for Gobert/ DiVincenzo/ Dillingham/ 17th pick/ 31st pick/ MINNE 32' 1st.
** Trade Dillingham to Brooklyn for Lewis/ 26th pick.
OR
Dillingham to Pels for Boston Jr/ 23rd pick.
OR
Dillingham/ Allen/ CLE 29' 1st to Charlotte for Green/ Williams/ 33rd pick.

[Saberestar]

The best two offers (presumably) are from the Wolves and Raptors.

Wolves offer is good for our present and our future. Gobert and DiVincenzo would be floor raisers for our team. Dillingham and #17 give us two youngsters.

Dillingham is an interesting PG. With his physical profile his worst NBA season is probably behind him already, he was too skinny as a 19 yo rookie.

His scoring ability and tight handles make him a fun player to watch...mini Iverson.

[dcoop]

Dillingham I think given the right opportunity could be a stud.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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So Jabari is on the table apparently…

If this is true, then the suns would be very stupid to not just accept Green to try Jabari Smith and it 10th pick back. There's going to he a number of teams that we could trade J Green to, and it shouldn't be that difficult to move him for other pieces.

You might have posted before but what is your take on Jabari as a young player?

I think Jabari Smith Jr is pretty solid. He's still got a higher ceiling than what people understand yet due to his defensive awareness, motor, physicality. He'll never be a 1A alpha star and is more of a 3rd tier star player, but he projects pretty well as a high end starter. I like the possibility of him being more of a mix of a poor man's Jaren Jackson Jr and maybe a better Antwan Jamison than comparing him to Rashard Lewis or a Chris Bosch.

He's very solid, but not really the elite shooter that Lewis was, and also not as dynamically versatile as Bosch either. Hyst a very solid two way 3 & D archetype big with impressive defensive playmaking skills.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Dillingham I think given the right opportunity could be a stud.

Perhaps, which accentuates the case for his value as a trade asset to the right team. I'm just not sure his skillset/ playstyle is really what we need or are seeking with Beal already here. And I'd much rather use his value as a recent lottery pick with untapped upside in a trade for other pieces to compliment our culture change.

He's basically a mix of Brandon Jennings, Brandon Knight, and maybe a splash of Kemba Walker. But at his size, not ideal for our backcourt. And definitely not the two way player we need to compliment Booker moving back to the shooting guard spot either.

As you pointed out though, he just needs the right environment/ situation to excel!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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So Jabari is on the table apparently…

If this is true, then the suns would be very stupid to not just accept Green to try Jabari Smith and it 10th pick back. There's going to he a number of teams that we could trade J Green to, and it shouldn't be that difficult to move him for other pieces.

The offer that Gambo said is Jalen Green and Jabari Smith for KD.

No picks or at least not any of our picks back.

Then sadly, just not good enough!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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The Suns need to just take this offer and run with it. It gives them multiple tradable assets/ salaries to work with, the highest lotto pick they're going to get for KD, a starting center and starting caliber point Guard.

And they could trade back in the draft with Brooklyn for Cam Johnson and/ or Claxton using the 9th pick and also pull more draft bbn picks to take swings on cumulatively! This is easily the best deal out there under the current KD destination conditions!

I'd do this trade immediately, then trade Barrett and the 9th pick to Brooklyn for Cam Johnson/ 19th, 26th, 36th picks and a 28' BRK 1st (top 10 protected).

Then I'd look to trade Poetl/ Oneale/ CLE 29' 1st to either Washington for Marcus Smart/ 18th pick/ 40th pick.
OR to Charlotte for Nurkic expiring/ Salaune/ Williams/ DAL 27' 1st.
Or to Chicago for Vucevic/ Ball/ 45th pick/ CHI 28' 2nd.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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So again, There's going to be a number of teams that we could trade J Green to If we choose to do the Houston trade. But I wouldn't even entertain it without at least your 10th pick involved too.

Bulls-
J Green/ Richards for Vucevic/ Ball/ 45th pick/ POR 26' 1st ( Top 14 protected).

Brooklyn-
J Green/ Landale/ Richards/ 10th pick for Johnson/ Claxton/ 19th pick/ 26th pick/ 36th pick.

Charlotte-
J Green/ Landale/ CLE 29' 1st for Nurkic expiring/ Tidjane Salaune/ Mark Williams/ 33rd pick/ DAL 27' 1st.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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If doing the Toronto deal, what about RJ Barrett to Washington for Smart/ AJ Johnson/ 18th and 40th picks?

That'd give us the 9th pick, 18th pick, 29th pick 40th pick and 52nd pick. Great ranges throughout the draft to pull premium talent!!

[dcoop]

Those picks won’t be near the player Barrett could be at SF

[sunskerr]

This was my thought that would Ishbia and Gregory be able to construct a three team deal . As just because Green is offered - doesn't mean he needs to stay with the Suns. Are they that singularly focused

I mean Bob Myers took D'Lo with the purpose of trading him and the Twolves took the bait

I'm wondering if Green has a negative value around the league, anywhere from slightly to fairly negative. We could use that as leverage to get like two of picks back for "taking on that contract" possibly.

I said this about Green the other day in a different thread pertaining to the Jazz

I think the hate for Green is going a little overboard at this point. He didnt look good in his first playoffs on a team with little other creation, yes. But hes still just 23 with ball skills and crazy athletic tools.

I think buying low, even treating him as a slightly positive asset, especially for the Jazz would not be a bad option at all. Their books are very clean and he provides both a talent upgrade now and upside for the future.

Maybe the lack of a major leap so far is cause to just be out on him, but as long as you're not giving up premium assets, I think Utah would be a decent fit actually.

Everyone is just so reactionary and tethered to only the last thing they saw. Things change all the time, and many times the people who show some patience and dont overreact win out in the (relative) long run. I think some team with only low-to-improving expectations and a young core could view him as a slightly positive asset that they can buy low on.

Its possible he just never gets better of course, maybe Im just willing it into existence because I'd like to be able to reroute him in a KD deal. But like...I dont think Green to Utah for, say, Clarkson and Hendricks is totally crazy. They've got a new GM who didnt draft Hendricks and he is still quite unproven himself. I'd call that giving up an asset but not an outlandish one.

I'm not casting judgment on Green I'm just speculating the real possibility he's not valued around the league.