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Post#2421 » by Sunsdeuce » Sat Jul 4, 2020 1:35 am

bwgood77 wrote:Have they talked in any of these podcasts about Baynes and what they think the likelihood is of him being here after this season? Was looking at our best lineups and it just reminded me of how valuable he is, aside from Ayton learning a lot from him and his vocal presense on and off the floor. Lately it seems he's been pretty happy to get back out there with the team.

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Hard to take anything away from that chart. Doesn’t take in account the disparity of minutes and teams played against. Let’s not forget Suns had a soft schedule to start the season and Baynes was on this crazy 3 point shooting tear which he couldn’t keep up with. I like Baynes but his weakness was rebounding. Too many second chance points given up when he’s in there and he isn’t a threat to block shots. Ayton length (and now learning to use it) is a game changer.

I am probably in the minority but I’m cool with letting Baynes walk. Once he stopped hitting threes, his usefulness dropped dramatically. Yeah he’s gonna bang around in the middle but it’s more Chris Dudley (I liked Chris Dudley) banging than it is Hakeem.

Also, there is info out there that he wants to play for a winner. So I highly doubt he comes back.
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Post#2422 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jul 4, 2020 1:58 am

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bwgood77 wrote:Have they talked in any of these podcasts about Baynes and what they think the likelihood is of him being here after this season? Was looking at our best lineups and it just reminded me of how valuable he is, aside from Ayton learning a lot from him and his vocal presense on and off the floor. Lately it seems he's been pretty happy to get back out there with the team.

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Hard to take anything away from that chart. Doesn’t take in account the disparity of minutes and teams played against. Let’s not forget Suns had a soft schedule to start the season and Baynes was on this crazy 3 point shooting tear which he couldn’t keep up with. I like Baynes but his weakness was rebounding. Too many second chance points given up when he’s in there and he isn’t a threat to block shots. Ayton length (and now learning to use it) is a game changer.

I am probably in the minority but I’m cool with letting Baynes walk. Once he stopped hitting threes, his usefulness dropped dramatically. Yeah he’s gonna bang around in the middle but it’s more Chris Dudley (I liked Chris Dudley) banging than it is Hakeem.

Also, there is info out there that he wants to play for a winner. So I highly doubt he comes back.


It does take into account the disparity in minutes. It lists it. And their schedule to start was brutal. It got a lot easier after Ayton came back. In the 11 games after our opening game which Ayton played in, before Baynes got injured we played the Nuggets, Jazz, Sixers, Clippers, Heat, Celtics and Lakers....we were still 8-3 before he got injured.

I had never figured he'd necessarily want to stay, but just don't know. I know some don't like him for whatever reason though.

The lineup we will likely go with in these 8 games is the 14th one listed...that same lineup with Baynes ranked #7.
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Post#2423 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jul 4, 2020 2:51 am

bwgood77 wrote:Have they talked in any of these podcasts about Baynes and what they think the likelihood is of him being here after this season? Was looking at our best lineups and it just reminded me of how valuable he is, aside from Ayton learning a lot from him and his vocal presense on and off the floor. Lately it seems he's been pretty happy to get back out there with the team.

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Yes, Actually they mentioned him in the Lock'd on Suns podcast above as being a priority, And that the most they should reasonably put forward is around 8-10 million tops! And that they expect contending teams to try and sign him using their 5 million midlevel exception. So again, we'd likely have to commit around at least 8-10 million in order to bring him back. But they again made a point of saying that he's a key signing. :wink:
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Post#2424 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jul 4, 2020 3:30 am

bwgood77 wrote:
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bwgood77 wrote:Have they talked in any of these podcasts about Baynes and what they think the likelihood is of him being here after this season? Was looking at our best lineups and it just reminded me of how valuable he is, aside from Ayton learning a lot from him and his vocal presense on and off the floor. Lately it seems he's been pretty happy to get back out there with the team.

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Hard to take anything away from that chart. Doesn’t take in account the disparity of minutes and teams played against. Let’s not forget Suns had a soft schedule to start the season and Baynes was on this crazy 3 point shooting tear which he couldn’t keep up with. I like Baynes but his weakness was rebounding. Too many second chance points given up when he’s in there and he isn’t a threat to block shots. Ayton length (and now learning to use it) is a game changer.

I am probably in the minority but I’m cool with letting Baynes walk. Once he stopped hitting threes, his usefulness dropped dramatically. Yeah he’s gonna bang around in the middle but it’s more Chris Dudley (I liked Chris Dudley) banging than it is Hakeem.

Also, there is info out there that he wants to play for a winner. So I highly doubt he comes back.


It does take into account the disparity in minutes. It lists it. And their schedule to start was brutal. It got a lot easier after Ayton came back. In the 11 games after our opening game which Ayton played in, before Baynes got injured we played the Nuggets, Jazz, Sixers, Clippers, Heat, Celtics and Lakers....we were still 8-3 before he got injured.

I had never figured he'd necessarily want to stay, but just don't know. I know some don't like him for whatever reason though.

The lineup we will likely go with in these 8 games is the 14th one listed...that same lineup with Baynes ranked #7.


If we really do anticipate Baynes leaving, Would it then become more reasonable to add a 2nd round pick for a backup center prospect? And if so, Who do you prefer most? Daniel Oturu, Vernon Carey, Xavier Tillman? Nik Richard's ( Javale McGee/ Jarrett Allen) type role?

I'm not really sure what the market will look like for centers this summer ( 2020) But it's probably not all that impressive? I'd offer Baynes the 8 million, And if he chooses not to resign with us, Then ..................
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/center/

I guess at that point I would just either pick up Kaminskys' option, Or otherwise target these centers.
1- Nerlens Noel.
2- Dwight Howard.
3- Alex Len.
4- Kyle O'quinn.
5- Mason Plumlee.
***Also, I'd absolutely look to draft a center prospect in the 2nd round. My sequential preference being: Oturu ( 1), Carey ( 2), Xavier Tillman ( small ball 5 at 6'8)? Otherwise Nik Richards.
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Post#2425 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jul 4, 2020 4:59 am

Would you guys consider this trade? Would anything need to be added or changed?


Phoenix/ Sacramento/ Chicago/ Atlanta-
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybbaen4n

- Phoenix gets Markannen/ Sato/ and Hunter the 35th pick from Sacramento.

- Chicago gets the a veteran lead guard in Joseph/ a highly productive veteran 4 with elite 3 pt shooting in Bjelica as a replacement for Markannen/ And a legitimate veteran center in Dedmon.
*** Most importantly, All of these players have only minimal contractual guarantees (for 2021). So this move potentially saves them an additional 29 million in cap space for 2021 free agency!!

- Sacramento gets a much cheaper high potential productive small forward in Oubre, A quality veteran 4 in Young ( only partial guarantee in 2021), And a young high IQ point guard prospect in Ty Jerome ( Ty gets reunited with Guy)! On a rookie scale contract.
*** Phoenix swaps the 10 for the 12 as a sweetener too.

- Atlanta gets a veteran small forward with good production and defense. And saves 20 million in outgoing contracts of Dedmon and Hunter, Thusly reducing Barnes contractual salary impact to only 4 million added.

12- Phoenix Drafts Kira Lewis or Tyrell Terry.
Then in free agency, They offer Jerami Grant 39/3. And then offers Forbes whatever available exception we have?
Resign Baynes? 8 million ( 1 yr deal)?
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Post#2426 » by Stark » Sat Jul 4, 2020 10:47 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Would you guys consider this trade? Would anything need to be added or changed?


Phoenix/ Sacramento/ Chicago/ Atlanta-
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybbaen4n

- Phoenix gets Markannen/ Sato/ and Hunter the 35th pick from Sacramento.

- Chicago gets the a veteran lead guard in Joseph/ a highly productive veteran 4 with elite 3 pt shooting in Bjelica as a replacement for Markannen/ And a legitimate veteran center in Dedmon.
*** Most importantly, All of these players have only minimal contractual guarantees (for 2021). So this move potentially saves them an additional 29 million in cap space for 2021 free agency!!

- Sacramento gets a much cheaper high potential productive small forward in Oubre, A quality veteran 4 in Young ( only partial guarantee in 2021), And a young high IQ point guard prospect in Ty Jerome ( Ty gets reunited with Guy)! On a rookie scale contract.
*** Phoenix swaps the 10 for the 12 as a sweetener too.

- Atlanta gets a veteran small forward with good production and defense. And saves 20 million in outgoing contracts of Dedmon and Hunter, Thusly reducing Barnes contractual salary impact to only 4 million added.

12- Phoenix Drafts Kira Lewis or Tyrell Terry.
Then in free agency, They offer Jerami Grant 39/3. And then offers Forbes whatever available exception we have?
Resign Baynes? 8 million ( 1 yr deal)?



Amazing trade for the Suns. Kinda ok for the Kings. Horrible for Hawks and Bulls. There is no way Hawks do this. Hunter will be an important part of their core they gave up so many pieces to get him and i also believe he is a really valuable piece. Barnes is the definition of mediocre. Chicago also says no Sato is a solid player with a modest contract and Markkanen is still an all star potential dude on a rookie contract. They would ask for Oubre+pieces. We have to give this year's and next year's draft picks for a trade like this however they would probably say no anyway. We get a solid back up point guard, young stretch 4 with all star potential and a high potential worst case scenario solid big 3&D prospect for Oubre and Ty Jerome. It is absurd.
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Post#2427 » by Saberestar » Sat Jul 4, 2020 11:45 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Have they talked in any of these podcasts about Baynes and what they think the likelihood is of him being here after this season? Was looking at our best lineups and it just reminded me of how valuable he is, aside from Ayton learning a lot from him and his vocal presense on and off the floor. Lately it seems he's been pretty happy to get back out there with the team.

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Hard to take anything away from that chart. Doesn’t take in account the disparity of minutes and teams played against. Let’s not forget Suns had a soft schedule to start the season and Baynes was on this crazy 3 point shooting tear which he couldn’t keep up with. I like Baynes but his weakness was rebounding. Too many second chance points given up when he’s in there and he isn’t a threat to block shots. Ayton length (and now learning to use it) is a game changer.

I am probably in the minority but I’m cool with letting Baynes walk. Once he stopped hitting threes, his usefulness dropped dramatically. Yeah he’s gonna bang around in the middle but it’s more Chris Dudley (I liked Chris Dudley) banging than it is Hakeem.

Also, there is info out there that he wants to play for a winner. So I highly doubt he comes back.

Baynes already has his ring, he won it with the Spurs.

He is happy on the Suns and I am pretty sure that he will come back next season if we offer him a reasonable contract.
Teams will not offer him more than the full mid level...and that's gonna be his price IMO. Around $9M per year, and he deserves it.

I want him back badly, the guy is probably the best backup C in the league (Harrell plays starting minutes) and he is the king of intangibles. We are definitely lucky to have him.

His rebounding stats are not high because he is more of a boxout guy, like Marc Gasol, so he helps a lot in that area too without flashy raw numbers.
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Post#2428 » by Damkac » Sat Jul 4, 2020 1:42 pm

Stark wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Would you guys consider this trade? Would anything need to be added or changed?


Phoenix/ Sacramento/ Chicago/ Atlanta-
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybbaen4n

- Phoenix gets Markannen/ Sato/ and Hunter the 35th pick from Sacramento.

- Chicago gets the a veteran lead guard in Joseph/ a highly productive veteran 4 with elite 3 pt shooting in Bjelica as a replacement for Markannen/ And a legitimate veteran center in Dedmon.
*** Most importantly, All of these players have only minimal contractual guarantees (for 2021). So this move potentially saves them an additional 29 million in cap space for 2021 free agency!!

- Sacramento gets a much cheaper high potential productive small forward in Oubre, A quality veteran 4 in Young ( only partial guarantee in 2021), And a young high IQ point guard prospect in Ty Jerome ( Ty gets reunited with Guy)! On a rookie scale contract.
*** Phoenix swaps the 10 for the 12 as a sweetener too.

- Atlanta gets a veteran small forward with good production and defense. And saves 20 million in outgoing contracts of Dedmon and Hunter, Thusly reducing Barnes contractual salary impact to only 4 million added.

12- Phoenix Drafts Kira Lewis or Tyrell Terry.
Then in free agency, They offer Jerami Grant 39/3. And then offers Forbes whatever available exception we have?
Resign Baynes? 8 million ( 1 yr deal)?



Amazing trade for the Suns. Kinda ok for the Kings. Horrible for Hawks and Bulls. There is no way Hawks do this. Hunter will be an important part of their core they gave up so many pieces to get him and i also believe he is a really valuable piece. Barnes is the definition of mediocre. Chicago also says no Sato is a solid player with a modest contract and Markkanen is still an all star potential dude on a rookie contract. They would ask for Oubre+pieces. We have to give this year's and next year's draft picks for a trade like this however they would probably say no anyway. We get a solid back up point guard, young stretch 4 with all star potential and a high potential worst case scenario solid big 3&D prospect for Oubre and Ty Jerome. It is absurd.

Would you do a simple Lauri + Sato for Oubre + pick (top 4 protected)?
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Post#2429 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jul 4, 2020 6:51 pm

Damkac wrote:
Stark wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Would you guys consider this trade? Would anything need to be added or changed?


Phoenix/ Sacramento/ Chicago/ Atlanta-
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybbaen4n

- Phoenix gets Markannen/ Sato/ and Hunter the 35th pick from Sacramento.

- Chicago gets the a veteran lead guard in Joseph/ a highly productive veteran 4 with elite 3 pt shooting in Bjelica as a replacement for Markannen/ And a legitimate veteran center in Dedmon.
*** Most importantly, All of these players have only minimal contractual guarantees (for 2021). So this move potentially saves them an additional 29 million in cap space for 2021 free agency!!

- Sacramento gets a much cheaper high potential productive small forward in Oubre, A quality veteran 4 in Young ( only partial guarantee in 2021), And a young high IQ point guard prospect in Ty Jerome ( Ty gets reunited with Guy)! On a rookie scale contract.
*** Phoenix swaps the 10 for the 12 as a sweetener too.

- Atlanta gets a veteran small forward with good production and defense. And saves 20 million in outgoing contracts of Dedmon and Hunter, Thusly reducing Barnes contractual salary impact to only 4 million added.

12- Phoenix Drafts Kira Lewis or Tyrell Terry.
Then in free agency, They offer Jerami Grant 39/3. And then offers Forbes whatever available exception we have?
Resign Baynes? 8 million ( 1 yr deal)?



Amazing trade for the Suns. Kinda ok for the Kings. Horrible for Hawks and Bulls. There is no way Hawks do this. Hunter will be an important part of their core they gave up so many pieces to get him and i also believe he is a really valuable piece. Barnes is the definition of mediocre. Chicago also says no Sato is a solid player with a modest contract and Markkanen is still an all star potential dude on a rookie contract. They would ask for Oubre+pieces. We have to give this year's and next year's draft picks for a trade like this however they would probably say no anyway. We get a solid back up point guard, young stretch 4 with all star potential and a high potential worst case scenario solid big 3&D prospect for Oubre and Ty Jerome. It is absurd.

Would you do a simple Lauri + Sato for Oubre + pick (top 4 protected)?


I would strongly consider it honestly. :wink: Although, I think that we could just as easily draft a really solid young guard much cheaper, AND then trade for Bjelica ourselves, Or Give a generous offer to Bertrans to be our floor spacer, As opposed to committing ourselves to a potentially much higher increase that Markannen could/would possibly command.
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Post#2430 » by King4Day » Sat Jul 4, 2020 6:55 pm

Damkac wrote:
Stark wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Would you guys consider this trade? Would anything need to be added or changed?


Phoenix/ Sacramento/ Chicago/ Atlanta-
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybbaen4n

- Phoenix gets Markannen/ Sato/ and Hunter the 35th pick from Sacramento.

- Chicago gets the a veteran lead guard in Joseph/ a highly productive veteran 4 with elite 3 pt shooting in Bjelica as a replacement for Markannen/ And a legitimate veteran center in Dedmon.
*** Most importantly, All of these players have only minimal contractual guarantees (for 2021). So this move potentially saves them an additional 29 million in cap space for 2021 free agency!!

- Sacramento gets a much cheaper high potential productive small forward in Oubre, A quality veteran 4 in Young ( only partial guarantee in 2021), And a young high IQ point guard prospect in Ty Jerome ( Ty gets reunited with Guy)! On a rookie scale contract.
*** Phoenix swaps the 10 for the 12 as a sweetener too.

- Atlanta gets a veteran small forward with good production and defense. And saves 20 million in outgoing contracts of Dedmon and Hunter, Thusly reducing Barnes contractual salary impact to only 4 million added.

12- Phoenix Drafts Kira Lewis or Tyrell Terry.
Then in free agency, They offer Jerami Grant 39/3. And then offers Forbes whatever available exception we have?
Resign Baynes? 8 million ( 1 yr deal)?



Amazing trade for the Suns. Kinda ok for the Kings. Horrible for Hawks and Bulls. There is no way Hawks do this. Hunter will be an important part of their core they gave up so many pieces to get him and i also believe he is a really valuable piece. Barnes is the definition of mediocre. Chicago also says no Sato is a solid player with a modest contract and Markkanen is still an all star potential dude on a rookie contract. They would ask for Oubre+pieces. We have to give this year's and next year's draft picks for a trade like this however they would probably say no anyway. We get a solid back up point guard, young stretch 4 with all star potential and a high potential worst case scenario solid big 3&D prospect for Oubre and Ty Jerome. It is absurd.

Would you do a simple Lauri + Sato for Oubre + pick (top 4 protected)?


I would for sure. We don't have time to hope draft picks pan out. We don't have a good draft track record anyway. If we can fill 2 holes in one deal, you do it.
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Post#2431 » by King4Day » Sat Jul 4, 2020 6:58 pm

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Damkac wrote:
Stark wrote:

Amazing trade for the Suns. Kinda ok for the Kings. Horrible for Hawks and Bulls. There is no way Hawks do this. Hunter will be an important part of their core they gave up so many pieces to get him and i also believe he is a really valuable piece. Barnes is the definition of mediocre. Chicago also says no Sato is a solid player with a modest contract and Markkanen is still an all star potential dude on a rookie contract. They would ask for Oubre+pieces. We have to give this year's and next year's draft picks for a trade like this however they would probably say no anyway. We get a solid back up point guard, young stretch 4 with all star potential and a high potential worst case scenario solid big 3&D prospect for Oubre and Ty Jerome. It is absurd.

Would you do a simple Lauri + Sato for Oubre + pick (top 4 protected)?


I would strongly consider it honestly. :wink: Although, I think that we could just as easily draft a really solid young guard much cheaper, AND then trade for Bjelica ourselves, Or Give a generous offer to Bertrans to be our floor spacer, As opposed to committing ourselves to a potentially much higher increase that Markannen could/would possibly command.


Good points. We have to be careful because if Markannen has a bounce back year, he'll be in line for a huge payday. Imagine paying Booker, Ayton, Markannen the max (or close to it)? Then Bridges will probably get 10-13 mil. That's a lot for a mediocre team unless we turned it around significantly with everyone's improvements.
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Post#2432 » by King4Day » Sat Jul 4, 2020 7:00 pm

If we land a top 4 pick, the first thing I'm doing is scouring the trade market to see if we can net a solid piece for it.
I really don't trust anyone in this draft to become a superstar so if we can get a proven piece, I'd consider it.
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Post#2434 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Jul 4, 2020 9:05 pm

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Amazing trade for the Suns. Kinda ok for the Kings. Horrible for Hawks and Bulls. There is no way Hawks do this. Hunter will be an important part of their core they gave up so many pieces to get him and i also believe he is a really valuable piece. Barnes is the definition of mediocre. Chicago also says no Sato is a solid player with a modest contract and Markkanen is still an all star potential dude on a rookie contract. They would ask for Oubre+pieces. We have to give this year's and next year's draft picks for a trade like this however they would probably say no anyway. We get a solid back up point guard, young stretch 4 with all star potential and a high potential worst case scenario solid big 3&D prospect for Oubre and Ty Jerome. It is absurd.

Would you do a simple Lauri + Sato for Oubre + pick (top 4 protected)?


I would for sure. We don't have time to hope draft picks pan out. We don't have a good draft track record anyway. If we can fill 2 holes in one deal, you do it.


For the record, I hate this idea. First of all, Oubre>Lauri. If Oubre's not a 4, neither is Lauri. Oubre gets as many boards and blocks twice as many shots.

I understand the draft is tough, but as much **** as the FO took for drafting Cam last year, I'd much, much rather have him than Sato. Would obviously prefer to keep the pick rather than pull the trigger on this terrible deal.
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Post#2435 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jul 4, 2020 9:28 pm

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Damkac wrote:Would you do a simple Lauri + Sato for Oubre + pick (top 4 protected)?


I would strongly consider it honestly. :wink: Although, I think that we could just as easily draft a really solid young guard much cheaper, AND then trade for Bjelica ourselves, Or Give a generous offer to Bertrans to be our floor spacer, As opposed to committing ourselves to a potentially much higher increase that Markannen could/would possibly command.


Good points. We have to be careful because if Markannen has a bounce back year, he'll be in line for a huge payday. Imagine paying Booker, Ayton, Markannen the max (or close to it)? Then Bridges will probably get 10-13 mil. That's a lot for a mediocre team unless we turned it around significantly with everyone's improvements.


This is exactly my point man! :wink: :dontknow:

I've been a huge Markannen advocate, However, upon deeper reviews, I have concerns regarding his inconsistencies, lack of defense for a 7fter! And his injury concerns for me at least diminish his overall trade value,
compared to the Bulls likely hefty asking price! Then on top of that, The really " Big rub" is in that his contractual increases jump to 9 million for his qualifying offer. And then on top of that, in 2021, He'll be a restricted free agent whenst the majority of the teams in the league will be pooling large chunks of cap for players such as him! So as you so accurately pointed out, It most likely will be a " Catch 22" situation for us in that if Markannen does improve, It only serves to drive his market value up even further as a restricted free agent, And he might reach a value that is beyond our ability to match! Meaning that we then ultimately gave up not only Oubre, But a top 10 lottery pick for nothing!

But to be fair, Yes, He does definitely have great potential, But to date, it's unfortunately only shown to be potential. His contractual risks added in for the very salient reasons that you mentioned above, make overpaying for him an unnecessary risk for us with respect to our still impending core contractual obligations. Especially when there WILL be actually be cheaper comparable long term options for us in free agency or through trade?

And whilst I agree with your point on our disappointing draft record, The restrictive and descending cap implications, along with the future implications to our cap viability at the worst possible time with us, having to address our core extensions, Make rookie scale contracts a very important commodity. Even more so with the possibility of Bridges and or Ayton potentially having a breakout season too ( as you mentioned). :wink:

Again, all things considered, I would strongly consider Markannen and Sato for Oubre and the 10th pick. However, I would ultimately prefer to not take back Sato if at all possible (due to his overall contractual cost) And ultimately would likely prefer to either trade for Bjelica, Who has better shooting stats for a floor spacing big than Markannen anyways, And is likely to cost much less long term too. And keep our pick, Allowing us to cover both positional needs, Whilst maximizing cap flexibility too heading into 2021. Or simply keep Oubre, And then use our cap space this summer to sign Bertrans and then pick up Kaminskys' option. Point being, Due to overall contractual risk longterm, I'd prefer safer low cost alternatives without giving up premium cost controlled assets. And considering that to this point, His defense is suspect, And his production has thus far been mediocre, he's basically very comparable to both Saric and Kaminsky in the statistical value that he'd bring on the court.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Lauri+Markkanen&player_id1_select=Lauri+Markkanen&player_id1=markkla01&y1=2020&player_id2_hint=Dario+%C5%A0ari%C4%87&player_id2_select=Dario+%C5%A0ari%C4%87&player_id2=saricda01&idx=bbr__players&y2=2020

And Kaminsky:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Lauri+Markkanen&player_id1_select=Lauri+Markkanen&player_id1=markkla01&y1=2020&player_id2_hint=Frank+Kaminsky&player_id2_select=Frank+Kaminsky&player_id2=kaminfr01&idx=bbr__players&y2=2020

So is Markannens' value aside from his potential really warrant BOTH Oubre and the 10th pick??? :wink: again, I'd ultimately prefer to look at cheaper, lower risk options with respect to our looming core extensions honestly! :dontknow:
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Post#2437 » by Jdiddy701 » Sat Jul 4, 2020 11:16 pm

GoranTragic wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/258691/Knicks-Linked-With-Potential-Move-For-Devin-Booker-Due-To-Leon-Rose-Relationship

Booker to the Knicks?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What in the world do the Knicks have to offer? There’s nobody on their roster that has a value in the trade market except Mitchell Robinson as a back up center. RJ Barrett? Hell no.


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Post#2438 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jul 4, 2020 11:50 pm

King4Day wrote:If we land a top 4 pick, the first thing I'm doing is scouring the trade market to see if we can net a solid piece for it.
I really don't trust anyone in this draft to become a superstar so if we can get a proven piece, I'd consider it.


IF we get an actual top 4 pick, I'd be looking to draft Wiseman and then trade back with Boston for Marcus Smart and the 17/ 26th picks.

Or perhaps I'd trade the top 4 pick to:
- Sacramento for Bjelica and the 12th pick.
- Dallas for Seth Curry/ 18/31.
- Orlando, The Top 4 pick/ Oubre for Gordon/15.
- Toronto, The Top 4 pick/ Oubre for Powell/ Anunoby/ 28th pick.
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Post#2439 » by Crives » Sun Jul 5, 2020 5:08 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/258691/Knicks-Linked-With-Potential-Move-For-Devin-Booker-Due-To-Leon-Rose-Relationship

Booker to the Knicks?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What in the world do the Knicks have to offer? There’s nobody on their roster that has a value in the trade market except Mitchell Robinson as a back up center. RJ Barrett? Hell no.


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Post#2440 » by Mr Puddles » Sun Jul 5, 2020 8:28 am

Just a random thought, but could the silver lining to our "bubble schedule" be that we're playing teams that essentially have nothing else to play for other than getting in shape for the playoffs?

From what I understand, the NBA is not putting any rule in place to compensate for the loss of home court advantage. Therefore, there really isn't much of an insentive for the teams we're playing to go all out (unless they really want to avoid certain teams in the first round). If anything, they might want to ease their players back into things and avoid risking injury. Basically I could see many of our opponents treating the next 8 games as almost a glorified pre-season schedule.

I know that mathematically we could go 8-0 and still lose out on the 8th/9th spots, but couldn't you argue that our schedule is potentially easier than the other teams battling with those two spots?

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