2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[bwoolf2]

Yeah, no f'ing way. That's a super over payment.

We would be lucky to make the play in game and certainly wouldn't have enough to survive a playoff series.

It depends on the buyout market & what else we can add but if you're not moving Ayton in that deal and you're rolling out 2 of the most unstoppable pure scorers on the same team along with a Chris Paul? You're really good. I just don't know who would pick up the defensive assignments Bridges usually takes. It's not like elite wings grow on trees. Would we have enough capital left over to get a guy like Dyson Daniels from NOLA?

Hate to tell ya but Chris Paul is hanging on by a thread and in a playoffs series not sure what he will provide much. And you won't have much if anything off the bench, he'll Nets had Harden kyrie and Durant that was certainly better than an old cp book, and a 2 year older version of Durant.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Indiana Pacers have "expressed exploratory interest" in trading for Matisse Thybulle, via @MikeAScotto

Other teams mentioned: Blazers, Bucks, Mavericks, Hornets, Raptors, and Suns.

Isn't Thybulle just Josh Okogie? Lol I'd rather keep the one we have.

Thybulle is actually a more elite defender with slightly better size, shooting (aside from free throws), better 3pt shooting, and is a more efficient scorer with better VORP, DWS,BPM on less usage than Okogie.
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=thybuma01&player_id1=okogijo01&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=okogijo01

But to be fair, Okogie's no slouch job either! I'd be interested in Thybulle for the purpose of having both (one to lock up the opposing guard, and the other to lock up the perimeter), so we could always have a range availability of Bridges/Okogie, or Bridges Thybulle lockdown perimeter defensive duo for matchups! But that's just me personally as we all know how defense becomes critically important in the playoffs, and you can never really have too much! I'd love to be able to have one of the two staggered at times on the perimeter or locking up opposing backcourts alongside Bridges situationally from the bench!

[bwgood77]

Whatever happens, I'd love for this group to be able to win without major changes. I love this team the way it is. I know it's very unlikely to happen, but it would be the best.

Amazing what a few wins can do for a fanbase. This board and Suns reddit have rabid in their desire to make a bad trade until recently.

We could stand to upgrade our bench, and it would be nice to get a quality PG who is willing to shoot more often than every fifth game. Question is whether we can project Payne to recover from his injury and get to 100% before the end of the season. Shamet's been out a while too, and Okogie can't shoot. Right now, Saben Lee is our best bench guard.

So, I could see us ponying up for a solid scoring guard. A flamethrower off the bench really could put us over the top. We'll see. I'm skeptical of the idea that we can get a CP3 replacement this season for several reasons, but Russell or Rozier could come off the bench. Can Russell play within our system? I don't like him as a long-term starter because he's got sh*t for brains, but I'd be okay with him as a rental. Dinwiddie would be great in that role. Maybe Eric Gordon gets bought out, but I'd consider him insurance more than anything, as Payne and maybe even Shamet(!) are better if healthy. Connaughton would be better... maybe Dragic? I prefer Goran to Coby White to be honest.

Bones Hyland fits the bill best. If the Knicks need a future first for a trade, Quickley would be great too, but I don't think he's available.

Bottom line: No big trades. A big trade would almost certainly take us out of contention. It sounds like Ishbia shares that perspective. Good!

Speaking of Gordon, I've never been big on trading much for him, but I wonder what he commands in the offseason? Probably more than the tax MLE, but it will be interesting to see.

[bwgood77]

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"May" change? Well that's not much for news. Everyone knows it "may". But that likely depends on if he really wants out and if they get a killer offer.

[Saberestar]

Small deadline, Crowder, Saric for Dogie McBuckets and Zach Collins. Doug is smart and a knock down shooter while colllins bolsters our size off the bench a pf. If no better players shake free for us. This is a salary dump for the Spurs, we would probably have to add a pick.

Not a bad idea...but I wouldn't do it. McDermott is TERRIBLE on defense, not sure he could play in the playoffs.

Zach Collins is OK, but I don't know about his fit. Backup C over Landale/Biyombo?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Yeah, no f'ing way. That's a super over payment.

We would be lucky to make the play in game and certainly wouldn't have enough to survive a playoff series.

It depends on the buyout market & what else we can add but if you're not moving Ayton in that deal and you're rolling out 2 of the most unstoppable pure scorers on the same team along with a Chris Paul? You're really good. I just don't know who would pick up the defensive assignments Bridges usually takes. It's not like elite wings grow on trees. Would we have enough capital left over to get a guy like Dyson Daniels from NOLA?

Well, IF it's true (which it seems) that the suns will again aggressively pursue Durant, AND something to the effect of this marks premise is accurate, Then the reports of the suns exploring interest in Matisse Thybulle and Je' Sean Tate would actually align and make perfect sense. I say this because with the premise of still having Paul/Booker/ Durant/ Ayton, Offense would not at all be a concern. But you'd still want to go all in on defensive wings, etc to offset what you'd give up in Bridges!

So potentially having the two of Okogie and Thybulle, or perhaps even possibly finally acquiring a Vanderbilt to have alongside an Okogie or Thybulle or Tate would provide an elite defensive offensive balance to insulate Durant should we actually get him! That's wherein I believe this defensive player interest comes into play?

[KLEON]

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HELL NO!!!!

[KLEON]

Am I the only one tired of the trade speculations?

[Saberestar]

Several teams said talks had been impacted by Durant because many teams are waiting to see if the All-Star will be available at the deadline. So teams are holding off on any big moves until they get clarity on Durant.

Via Ian Begley.

[bwgood77]

Am I the only one tired of the trade speculations?

No. But it will die down a bit for a few months at least.

[bwgood77]

My biggest worry is that they mess around too long hoping to get something done and miss out and the deadline ends and they are surprised some of those deals they thought would be there either are not because they traded those player(s) for someone else or they try to negotiate too long and the teams just don't cave. We have to not wait until the very last minute to accept an offer or we may find out the hard way that the players we thought would be on the table no longer are, and the options quickly evaporated because the teams felt they were not going to be able to get a deal done with us before the deadline so they took something else instad.

[bwgood77]

Several teams said talks had been impacted by Durant because many teams are waiting to see if the All-Star will be available at the deadline. So teams are holding off on any big moves until they get clarity on Durant.

Via Ian Begley.

I think it's too late to hold off on deals one day before the deadline for this and miss out on potential moves. There is a 95% chance even if they do move KD, they won't rush on a deal in one day barring an enormous offer.

I think the most likely team would be Toronto because they are likely tanking and can afford an injured KD for another month...and even just sit him out the rest of the season.

They could also offer FVV or Gary Trent Jr, OG and a couple picks for KD/Curry or something and come out with a still solid lineup of Curry, FVV or GTJr, Barnes, KD, Siakam for next year.

[Frank Lee]

Why is it the week prior to the trade deadline I can think of a lot of positive things that will happen… But then as we draw closer, all I can think of is please Jones don’t F this up

[kennydorglas]

KD hive is alive.
Lets goooooo

[49erhokie]

KD hive is alive.
Lets goooooo

Not happening. This is just their **** a$$ owner holding everything hostage because he wants to see the world burn.

[Slim Charless]

Several teams said talks had been impacted by Durant because many teams are waiting to see if the All-Star will be available at the deadline. So teams are holding off on any big moves until they get clarity on Durant.

Via Ian Begley.

I think it's too late to hold off on deals one day before the deadline for this and miss out on potential moves. There is a 95% chance even if they do move KD, they won't rush on a deal in one day barring an enormous offer.

I think the most likely team would be Toronto because they are likely tanking and can afford and injured KD for another month...and even just sit him out the rest of the season.

They could also offer FVV or Gary Trent Jr, OG and a couple picks for KD/Curry or something and come out with a still solid lineup of Curry, FVV or GTJr, Barnes, KD, Siakam for next year.

LOLZ

There's no KD trade that doesn't start with the words "Scottie Barnes" if I'm BRK. They have to get him as they'd be starting over and need someone to key in on.

Barnes/OG/Filler/2FRPs

[Ghost of Kleine]

I think clearly If the goal this season is to still upgrade our roster without breaking up our core, then the obvious moves we should be aggressively targeting by the deadline are:

1- Trade for Vanderbilt
Trade Craig/ (lotto protected) 1st/ 2nd for Vandy.

2- Trade for Gordon/ KJ Martin Jr
Trade Crowder/ Saric/(Top 15 lotto protected) 1st/ 2 2nds for Gordon/ Martin Jr?

OR

1- Trade for Collins.
2- Trade for Trent Jr. Shamet/ Craig / Payne/ two 2nds?
(This would allow Toronto to still trade Van Vleet and Anunoby whilst having a modicum of backup depth).
** Move Johnson back to the bench in a super 6th man role!!
The reason I have this other trade option is because in a "buy low premise" the suns could then have a package of Collins/Johnson/ Trent Jr/picks to offer for Durant whilst maybe, possibly still keeping Bridges and their primary core?? Or If not figuring Durant into this equation, We could INSTEAD flip Collins/filler and a 1st to Utah (SINCE AINGE COVETS COLLINS)????? for a package of Vanderbilt/ Sexton/Olynyk?? Then you head into next season with a lineup of:

Paul/ Book/ Bridges/ Johnson/ Ayton.
Sexton/ Trent Jr/ V8 / Olynyk/ Biyombo??
Lee / Lee / Okogie / Ish/ Landale?

[NavLDO]

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That can't possibly be true, because over the summer, I distinctly remember reading that there were no less than 5 Western Conference teams that upgraded their starting 5, making it a better starting 5 than ours...

And yes, I understand that's a too-small of a sampling size to mean anything of value, but it does speak to how good of a team we can be!

[Bogyo]

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That can't possibly be true, because over the summer, I distinctly remember reading that there were no less than 5 Western Conference teams that upgraded their starting 5, making it a better starting 5 than ours...

And yes, I understand that's a too-small of a sampling size to mean anything of value, but it does speak to how good of a team we can be!

And in those 6 games its like 67 minutes alltogether, so its not small sample size, but microscopic sample size. So it doesnt mean anything - maybe less.

[bwgood77]

Via Ian Begley.

I think it's too late to hold off on deals one day before the deadline for this and miss out on potential moves. There is a 95% chance even if they do move KD, they won't rush on a deal in one day barring an enormous offer.

I think the most likely team would be Toronto because they are likely tanking and can afford and injured KD for another month...and even just sit him out the rest of the season.

They could also offer FVV or Gary Trent Jr, OG and a couple picks for KD/Curry or something and come out with a still solid lineup of Curry, FVV or GTJr, Barnes, KD, Siakam for next year.

LOLZ

There's no KD trade that doesn't start with the words "Scottie Barnes" if I'm BRK. They have to get him as they'd be starting over and need someone to key in on.

Barnes/OG/Filler/2FRPs

That's ridiculous. The Nets can't hope for anything like that now that he will be a year older with ANOTHER injury to his other knee. He now had an MCL bruise on each knee and a torn achilles, is 35 and has played less than a full season in 3 years.

They couldn't even get a deal like that last summer.