2020 Preseason Speculation - Lineup battles underway

Blackification · Post #2481 » by **Blackification** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:43 pm

Money for ibaka and milsap running out hopefully, still got rondo and bradley out there

Revived · Post #2482 » by **Revived** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:43 pm

Isaiah Thomas still available guys.

Barkley6 · Post #2483 » by **Barkley6** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:45 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:With Van Vleet and Augustin off the board who in the **** is going to play PG for the Knicks next year? French Frank?

I'm not even kidding when I say Payne would be their best option.

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Massive offer sheet to Carter incoming.....

Mjee · Post #2484 » by **Mjee** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:45 pm

I like Avery Bradley a lot ... I hope we get him

Post #2485 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:46 pm

Barkley6 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Barkley6 wrote:
Looking at the bright side, I wonder if this means we might be splitting the MLE and get two decent players instead of just Augustin.

Yeah, maybe...considering we must not have offered DJ more than that. I honestly was thinking anyone would rather live in Phx than Milwaukee. Silly me.

If we got R Jackson and Crowder for half the MLE each.....I wouldn't be mad at that. Maybe see if you can add Forbes for the BAE. That's a decent haul considering the assets we had. Heck, maybe we do those moves and then get Melo on a minimum deal.

Paul/Jackson/Payne
Book/Forbes/Carter
Mikal/Crowder/Nader
Cam/Saric/Melo
Ayton/Smith

That's a pretty damn good team.

Yes, I was just thinking I'd be ok with E'Twaun Moore and Wanamaker or maybe Reggie Jackson.

But I was thinking...guys like Jackson and Teague probably think they are worth at least the entire MLE. Moore is probably worth close to the MLE.

I guess I wouldn't mind E'Twaun Moore with the MLE for 2 years and Jordan McLaughlin. He might end up being the best option actually.

Napier is a possibility I guess and he did shoot 67% in the restricted area last year and almost 36% from 3. And there is this:

Spoiler:

Jordan McLaughlin though had really good numbers...ast/to ratio, 3pt%, 2pt%, stl

He's small though and Minnesota can match.

m1chal · Post #2486 » by **m1chal** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:46 pm

... or the triumphant return of Mike James :-D

matt131 · Post #2487 » by **matt131** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:46 pm

Blackification wrote:Money for ibaka and milsap running out hopefully, still got rondo and bradley out there

Nah, they'll take much less money to play with brooklyn or an actual contender

Sunsdeuce · Post #2488 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:46 pm

James Jones is laser focused on Tyler Johnson and Wes iwundu!

Book1Nation · Post #2489 » by **Book1Nation** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:47 pm

Point guards - Jeff Teague, Elfrid Payton, Yogi Ferrell, Quin Cook, Emmanuel Mudiay, Brad Wanamaker, Reggie Jackson

Off guards/Wings - Jae Crowder, E'Twaun Moore, KCP, Langston Galloway, Marco Belinelli, Bryn Forbes, Solomon Hill, Avery Bradley, Glenn Robinson III, Shaquille Harrison, Torrey Craig, Wesley Iwundu, DeAndre' Bembry

Bigs - Paul Millsap, Serge Ibaka, Noah Vonleh, Jeff Green, Tristan Thompson, Ian Mahinmi, Nerlens Noel

Grab one from each list, possibly two guards or wings, re-sign Carter + Saric and there's your 15. Need to start moving though

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #2490 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:48 pm

bwgood77 wrote:If we wouldn't have traded for Chriss, we might be deciding on matching a Bogdan contract now, and almost might have Dejounte Murray (28th pick) on a rookie deal and possibly Caris LeVert (13th pick). Then our depth would look pretty good.

McD tried, but actually really struggled to accumulate draft picks during his tenure. Then he wasted them, for the most part.

Now, watching other WC teams pile up draft picks so easily, and some other WC teams acquiring young talent so easily: it sucks. It really sucks.

Doesn't help that we're currently languishing in free agency. I don't want them to make a knee-jerk move, but I really expected them to have a decent shot at nabbing some contributors after adding Chris Paul. But then again, I didn't expect to see this kind of money being thrown around.

At least I like the guys JJ drafts. And I like the guys we've got. And I like that we at least have our own future firsts... oh. Yeah. Well, most of our future firsts. Yeesh, the silver cloud of good playoff prospects does have a tinge of gray around its edges, don't it?

Revived · Post #2491 » by **Revived** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:48 pm

Are any of the remaining options at PG legitimately better than Carter or Payne?

Sunsdeuce · Post #2492 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:48 pm

Golanator wrote:Point guards - Jeff Teague, Elfrid Payton, Yogi Ferrell, Quin Cook, Emmanuel Mudiay, Brad Wanamaker, Reggie Jackson

Off guards/Wings - Jae Crowder, E'Twaun Moore, KCP, Langston Galloway, Marco Belinelli, Bryn Forbes, Solomon Hill, Avery Bradley, Glenn Robinson III, Shaquille Harrison, Torrey Craig, Wesley Iwundu, DeAndre' Bembry

Bigs - Paul Millsap, Serge Ibaka, Noah Vonleh, Jeff Green, Tristan Thompson, Ian Mahinmi, Nerlens Noel

Grab one from each list, possibly two guards or wings, re-sign Carter + Saric and there's your 15. Need to start moving though

Insert puking gif!

Book1Nation · Post #2493 » by **Book1Nation** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:50 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:
Golanator wrote:Point guards - Jeff Teague, Elfrid Payton, Yogi Ferrell, Quin Cook, Emmanuel Mudiay, Brad Wanamaker, Reggie Jackson

Off guards/Wings - Jae Crowder, E'Twaun Moore, KCP, Langston Galloway, Marco Belinelli, Bryn Forbes, Solomon Hill, Avery Bradley, Glenn Robinson III, Shaquille Harrison, Torrey Craig, Wesley Iwundu, DeAndre' Bembry

Bigs - Paul Millsap, Serge Ibaka, Noah Vonleh, Jeff Green, Tristan Thompson, Ian Mahinmi, Nerlens Noel

Grab one from each list, possibly two guards or wings, re-sign Carter + Saric and there's your 15. Need to start moving though

Insert puking gif!

Lol, that's the best of what's left.

I wouldn't be mad with say...Wanamaker, Crowder, Galloway + Noel.

Good mix of shooting and defense.

Post #2494 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:51 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:If we wouldn't have traded for Chriss, we might be deciding on matching a Bogdan contract now, and almost might have Dejounte Murray (28th pick) on a rookie deal and possibly Caris LeVert (13th pick). Then our depth would look pretty good.

McD tried, but actually really struggled to accumulate draft picks during his tenure. Then he wasted them, for the most part.

Now, watching other WC teams pile up draft picks so easily, and some other WC teams acquiring young talent so easily: it sucks. It really sucks.

Doesn't help that we're currently languishing in free agency. I don't want them to make a knee-jerk move, but I really expected them to have a decent shot at nabbing some contributors after adding Chris Paul. But then again, I didn't expect to see this kind of money being thrown around.

At least I like the guys JJ drafts. And I like the guys we've got. And I like that we at least have our own future firsts... oh. Yeah. Well, most of our future firsts. Yeesh, the silver cloud of good playoff prospects does have a tinge of gray around its edges, don't it?

It does suck seeing these teams with 3 or 4 seemingly good draft picks, and Presti seemingly easily piling up draft picks trading deals you thought would never get draft picks.

And we probably have 1 total draft pick in the next 2 years.

Edit: Scratch that. We have a 2nd rounder in 2022! YES!

Fo-Real · Post #2495 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:52 pm

Flying Colors wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Fully expect the suns to sign Bobby Portis at best than every fan who has a podcast and/or suns blogger to explain why the signing the suns made of that rock bottom free agent signing is the greatest thing ever and how fans are so dumb and they just don’t get how great the signing is.

Suns bloggers are the worst!

Portis has already signed with the bucks, we’re aiming lower

Skal? Bembry? Tristan Thompson? Cauley Stien? Courtney Lee? Jakarr Sampson? Is Damian Jones signed?

WeekapaugGroove · Post #2496 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:52 pm

Role was probably a factor for Augustin. In Milwaukee he will play a bunch because he can play with Holiday. He can't really play with Paul so when Chris is healthy that's a 15 minute a night role.

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Post #2497 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:54 pm

Fo-Real wrote:
Flying Colors wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Fully expect the suns to sign Bobby Portis at best than every fan who has a podcast and/or suns blogger to explain why the signing the suns made of that rock bottom free agent signing is the greatest thing ever and how fans are so dumb and they just don’t get how great the signing is.

Suns bloggers are the worst!

Portis has already signed with the bucks, we’re aiming lower

Skal? Bembry? Tristan Thompson? Cauley Stien? Courtney Lee? Jakarr Sampson? Is Damian Jones signed?

Why do we need another big? Our best lineup is starting Cam and we have Ayton and Saric and just drafted another big.

Our backups for 1/2/3 are Payne, Carter and Nader.

Post #2498 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:56 pm

Revived wrote:Are any of the remaining options at PG legitimately better than Carter or Payne?

Yes, most of them, unless you are just talking about Payne in the bubble and ignoring the rest of his 4 years.

Barkley6 · Post #2499 » by **Barkley6** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:56 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:
Flying Colors wrote:Portis has already signed with the bucks, we’re aiming lower

Skal? Bembry? Tristan Thompson? Cauley Stien? Courtney Lee? Jakarr Sampson? Is Damian Jones signed?

Why do we need another big? Our best lineup is starting Cam and we have Ayton and Saric and just drafted another big.

Our backups for 1/2/3 are Payne, Carter and Nader.

Because if Ayton goes down we have an unproven rookie and Saric for the 5. That's not great. I think that while I have confidence in Smith, he's unproven, and as such we need some insurance there. Additionally, when I look up and down our roster we are not a very good rebounding team. Oubre was decent on the boards and we have not replaced that at all. So I would like to sign another big.

BobbieL · Post #2500 » by **BobbieL** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:00 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Role was probably a factor for Augustin. In Milwaukee he will play a bunch because he can play with Holiday. He can't really play with Paul so when Chris is healthy that's a 15 minute a night role.

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I truly am not panicking yet. When you think about Augustin and Paul together - that just didn't work

I still Moore and Forbes would be solid pick ups at this point.

My only concern - and we have all seen Bobby Sarver do this and Amin mentioned this - whats his next move. Goes all in and pulls back. CP3 was the shiny object - big time signing but from a dollars standpoint 41m - I would have been fine with Oubre, Rubio and Justin Holiday with what he got from the Pacers and bringing back Saric.

But maybe the Suns are just being smart and strategic. And if somebody offers Carter 35/4 - pack his bags please.