2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The KD era begins

[BobbieL]

If Rose becomes available do you pick him up and waive TJ Warren?

I waive shamet, bob

Can’t waive Shamet

He is the only real contract to trade next trade deadline

[Puff]

If Rose becomes available do you pick him up and waive TJ Warren?

I waive shamet, bob

Could we get an injured player exception for Shamet. I believe his problem is his Achilles tendon. It probably would be best for him to rest up until next year. That would allow us to add either Rose of Melo.

[bwgood77]

We are stomping teams and we don't even have our best player. Okogies gonna get poached for sure this summer. Glad Ish got bumped up as big wings are always nice to have.

Ross has been great too. Suddenly that depth ain't too bad although we'll know for sure in the playoffs.

Btw whats the deal with Warren? Guy has played like sub 10 minutes now DNP. Is he cooked? Monty playing favorites? Still injured? We've been winning but you'd hope he can be the bench scorer in the playoffs.

Is it definitive we couldn't resign Okogie? Is it the fact that we are in the luxury tax and would cost much more than his contract? 10 million is not out of line and would be better than adding someone for the minimum to sit on the bench. Not my money though. Just curious as I really don't know why we wouldn't keep him over the alternative unless he gets an insane offer.

All we have is the tax MLE which is about $7 million.

[sunsfan1o1]

If Rose becomes available do you pick him up and waive TJ Warren?

I waive shamet, bob

Can’t waive Shamet

He is the only real contract to trade next trade deadline

Waive Jock Landale. KD can play some stretch 5. Landale is useless.

[bwgood77]

Unbelievable.

Watch on YouTube

[GreatSunnyNorth]

If Rose becomes available do you pick him up and waive TJ Warren?

Ah geez thats a toughie. I still find TJ Warren as a wing to be more valuable even if hes buried. Each wing we have has various strengths and these are important when it comes down to different playoffs matchups. Derrick Rose is a 3rd string PG who can only play PG, whilst wings can play through SG-SF-PF and in Ish's case, C. And I don't think Rose is particularly a different player than Cam Payne.

Tough very tough. I'm just sort of disappointed Warren has been nailed to the bench.

edit: waive Bazley?

The difference with Bazley is that he’s young and under team control for next season - so there’s some hope for offseason development even if he can’t crack the rotation yet. With a vet on a one-year minimum like TJ, if he doesn’t help immediately, he doesn’t have value at all.

And with both CP3 and Payne as injury-prone as they are, it’s easy to see a depth PG as a more important piece for the playoffs than a slight variation at combo forward. (Not that Rose is a great bet to stay healthy himself.)

[oddity]

That's it.
A complete agenda of lies.
Numbers do not support at all their speech, so they hide the numbers and just tell you to follow their orders.
Sea levels have not changed for longer than 130 years, as anyone can see in a photo (famous one of the Statue of Liberty).
Most temperatures are measured in meteorologic sites that are now inside the cities, and not in the outskirts, as 50 years ago were.
Forest surface is in a higher point since we have knowledge.
Ice surface is at a peak since we can calculate.
But they are telling the population to be scared.
AS you say, in the meanwhile, they fly almost daily to tell you to eat less meat and ride your bike and buy an expensive car that will be moved by electricity made in a combustion plant and whose batteries have no recycling possibilities at all.
Yet there are people who believe all this is true.
The same as with the birruss... still there are people who think all that was real and all meassurements had to be done for our safety.

Remote sensing using satellite images for change detection is quite a simple concept. The easiet way to think about it is taking a self portrait with your camera phone twice a month for your entire life. Sequence those pictures in a movie and you will see how you change and age...

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=NoahKalina

The Landsat program has been doing this exact same thing since the early 1970's. Landsat camera's take a picture of every point on earth about twice per month and have been doing so for 50 years. It is undeniable the Earth has changed over those 50 years. When I was working in this area we called it change detection. You could clearly see areas impacted by forest fires, cattle grazing, bark beetle infestations, and receding mountain glaciers. Coastal changes were obvious for beach erosion and sediment transfer into ocean deltas.

Later, people doing research with Landsat data starting coining terms like climate change and global warming. We'd be fools not to believe that humans aren't contributing to those changes at some level. Whether these changes are good or bad is really up to debate but quite a few big temperature swings on Earth have happened in the last 100000 years based on studies of Greenland ice cores. Those swings could be induced by a host of geologic, oceanic, and atmospheric phenomena. It is likely humans are accelerating changes in the later two.

The same applies to the virus. Science and data from our recent and past pandemics show it is real. We see how a different pandemic is working through chicken farms and increasing cost of eggs. It sucks that some people experienced family and friends who died as a direct or indirect result of the virus. My guess is you didn't have anyone you care about impacted. Lucky you, but maybe if you could think about it a bit harder you would be able to show some empathy to your fellow human beings instead of just being an uneducated turd.

Let's agree this is true, which I deny.

Then:

1. Change in temperatures, even profound, quick changes have been going on and off on Earth as back as we can have knowledge of it. The last glaciation was around 12.600. It is much more probable that we die from low temperatures than from high ones, although I know that an extreme global warming could bring a subsequential cold period.

2. CO2 is responsible for 2% of the change in temperatures. Other factors are responsible FOR 98% of temperature changes.

3. Humankind is responsible for the creation of just around 2-3% of CO2 (volcanos are responsible for 98%).

That makes us responsible for just much less than 0.5% of the CO2 created.

So, should we change dramatically the way Western social class live (elites are not changing a bit) while the rest of the Planet is burning coal and oil, because they know the West is self-destructing itself?

Other questions could be: what happened to the ozone hole? Gone forever?
What happened to increasing sea levels? A lie?
What can we think of the end of the oil era? Another lie, as oil continues to leak out of the Earth in a never ending process, or so it seems?

Just the emissions by the Air Force One from Washington ti Ucraine and back amount for the emissions of an average USA family for its entire life. Who is then causing the damage?

All this is so evident, ridiculous and ashaming that it is a pity we are not all together to kick all politicians out of their armchairs and then do the same with the Rockefellers, Blackrocks, Vanguaards, PJ Morgans and the rest of the elites that try to control us.

I simply do not have the patience to respond to this entire load of crap, but I'll try my best

1: We are much more likely to die of a runaway greenhouse effect than a runaway icehouse effect or an ice age. If we continue changing the temperature the way we have we will reach a point of no return much like venus did.

2: You have to be a fool not to see the damage we do to the ecosystem - we've been doing it for ages. Take a prehistoric example: after that ice age you mentioned, humans settling into the Americas from the Bering Ice Bridge killed all of the super-heavyweight grazing herbivores such as mammoths. This led to the land being dry and overgrown with vegetation that would have been the mammoths' food, leading to wildfires that scorched much of Central America so badly the ecosystem is still recovering to this day. That was with spears and campfires, let alone industrial factories and commercial fishing vessels.

3:Other factors that we mainly control. Having an oxygen-rich atmosphere would help abate climate change, too bad we're cutting down all the trees. When it comes to fragile ecosystems just a few percentage points of change result in enormous consequences for everyone, ESPECIALLY when those percentage points bring us past the threshold of a runaway greenhouse effect.

4: You don't know what you're **** talking about.
That is the CO2 in the atmosphere in parts per million. Last I checked that wasn't 2%

Respect this planet for a second and realize everything around us is dying. It's far easier to spend an afternoon on youtube in your underwear "researching" conspiracy theories than to actually put in the work and spend consistent hours reading papers and working in these fields. In other words, stfu. This board is above this nonsense

[Mr Puddles]

Ahhh the Suns RealGM board. Where, you come for the talk about basketball and rumors on trades & offseason speculation, but you stay for the in-depth and nuanced discussions on climate change.

[bwgood77]

If Rose becomes available do you pick him up and waive TJ Warren?

Ah geez thats a toughie. I still find TJ Warren as a wing to be more valuable even if hes buried. Each wing we have has various strengths and these are important when it comes down to different playoffs matchups. Derrick Rose is a 3rd string PG who can only play PG, whilst wings can play through SG-SF-PF and in Ish's case, C. And I don't think Rose is particularly a different player than Cam Payne.

Tough very tough. I'm just sort of disappointed Warren has been nailed to the bench.

edit: waive Bazley?

The difference with Bazley is that he’s young and under team control for next season - so there’s some hope for offseason development even if he can’t crack the rotation yet. With a vet on a one-year minimum like TJ, if he doesn’t help immediately, he doesn’t have value at all.

And with both CP3 and Payne as injury-prone as they are, it’s easy to see a depth PG as a more important piece for the playoffs than a slight variation at combo forward. (Not that Rose is a great bet to stay healthy himself.)

Yeah, I like Warren but I doubt they'd cut Bazley since they can decide to keep him for sure and hold the rights. He isn't that good but you never know what happens after someone's rookie contract. Look at Okogie.

That being said, I'd also rather keep TJ than sign Rose. I do kind of doubt that Monty will play TJ though. Not really a fan of Rose.

[Mr Puddles]

Ah geez thats a toughie. I still find TJ Warren as a wing to be more valuable even if hes buried. Each wing we have has various strengths and these are important when it comes down to different playoffs matchups. Derrick Rose is a 3rd string PG who can only play PG, whilst wings can play through SG-SF-PF and in Ish's case, C. And I don't think Rose is particularly a different player than Cam Payne.

Tough very tough. I'm just sort of disappointed Warren has been nailed to the bench.

edit: waive Bazley?

The difference with Bazley is that he’s young and under team control for next season - so there’s some hope for offseason development even if he can’t crack the rotation yet. With a vet on a one-year minimum like TJ, if he doesn’t help immediately, he doesn’t have value at all.

And with both CP3 and Payne as injury-prone as they are, it’s easy to see a depth PG as a more important piece for the playoffs than a slight variation at combo forward. (Not that Rose is a great bet to stay healthy himself.)

Yeah, I like Warren but I doubt they'd cut Bazley since they can decide to keep him for sure and hold the rights. He isn't that good but you never know what happens after someone's rookie contract. Look at Okogie.

That being said, I'd also rather keep TJ than sign Rose. I do kind of doubt that Monty will play TJ though. Not really a fan of Rose.

Like others have said, I think Shamet will be designated as our third-string PG when he returns. Derrick Rose to me fall into the John Wall/ Kevin Love category of players who sound better on paper than they'll look on the court. TJ at a minimum still seems to be liked by some of the guys who played with him during his first stint in Phoenix, so if nothing else, he brings that to the table. Really not sure how Rose would fit this current crop.

[NapoleonII]

Remote sensing using satellite images for change detection is quite a simple concept. The easiet way to think about it is taking a self portrait with your camera phone twice a month for your entire life. Sequence those pictures in a movie and you will see how you change and age...

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=NoahKalina

The Landsat program has been doing this exact same thing since the early 1970's. Landsat camera's take a picture of every point on earth about twice per month and have been doing so for 50 years. It is undeniable the Earth has changed over those 50 years. When I was working in this area we called it change detection. You could clearly see areas impacted by forest fires, cattle grazing, bark beetle infestations, and receding mountain glaciers. Coastal changes were obvious for beach erosion and sediment transfer into ocean deltas.

Later, people doing research with Landsat data starting coining terms like climate change and global warming. We'd be fools not to believe that humans aren't contributing to those changes at some level. Whether these changes are good or bad is really up to debate but quite a few big temperature swings on Earth have happened in the last 100000 years based on studies of Greenland ice cores. Those swings could be induced by a host of geologic, oceanic, and atmospheric phenomena. It is likely humans are accelerating changes in the later two.

The same applies to the virus. Science and data from our recent and past pandemics show it is real. We see how a different pandemic is working through chicken farms and increasing cost of eggs. It sucks that some people experienced family and friends who died as a direct or indirect result of the virus. My guess is you didn't have anyone you care about impacted. Lucky you, but maybe if you could think about it a bit harder you would be able to show some empathy to your fellow human beings instead of just being an uneducated turd.

Let's agree this is true, which I deny.

Then:

1. Change in temperatures, even profound, quick changes have been going on and off on Earth as back as we can have knowledge of it. The last glaciation was around 12.600. It is much more probable that we die from low temperatures than from high ones, although I know that an extreme global warming could bring a subsequential cold period.

2. CO2 is responsible for 2% of the change in temperatures. Other factors are responsible FOR 98% of temperature changes.

3. Humankind is responsible for the creation of just around 2-3% of CO2 (volcanos are responsible for 98%).

That makes us responsible for just much less than 0.5% of the CO2 created.

So, should we change dramatically the way Western social class live (elites are not changing a bit) while the rest of the Planet is burning coal and oil, because they know the West is self-destructing itself?

Other questions could be: what happened to the ozone hole? Gone forever?
What happened to increasing sea levels? A lie?
What can we think of the end of the oil era? Another lie, as oil continues to leak out of the Earth in a never ending process, or so it seems?

Just the emissions by the Air Force One from Washington ti Ucraine and back amount for the emissions of an average USA family for its entire life. Who is then causing the damage?

All this is so evident, ridiculous and ashaming that it is a pity we are not all together to kick all politicians out of their armchairs and then do the same with the Rockefellers, Blackrocks, Vanguaards, PJ Morgans and the rest of the elites that try to control us.

I simply do not have the patience to respond to this entire load of crap, but I'll try my best

1: We are much more likely to die of a runaway greenhouse effect than a runaway icehouse effect or an ice age. If we continue changing the temperature the way we have we will reach a point of no return much like venus did.

2: You have to be a fool not to see the damage we do to the ecosystem - we've been doing it for ages. Take a prehistoric example: after that ice age you mentioned, humans settling into the Americas from the Bering Ice Bridge killed all of the super-heavyweight grazing herbivores such as mammoths. This led to the land being dry and overgrown with vegetation that would have been the mammoths' food, leading to wildfires that scorched much of Central America so badly the ecosystem is still recovering to this day. That was with spears and campfires, let alone industrial factories and commercial fishing vessels.

3:Other factors that we mainly control. Having an oxygen-rich atmosphere would help abate climate change, too bad we're cutting down all the trees. When it comes to fragile ecosystems just a few percentage points of change result in enormous consequences for everyone, ESPECIALLY when those percentage points bring us past the threshold of a runaway greenhouse effect.

4: You don't know what you're **** talking about.
That is the CO2 in the atmosphere in parts per million. Last I checked that wasn't 2%

Respect this planet for a second and realize everything around us is dying. It's far easier to spend an afternoon on youtube in your underwear "researching" conspiracy theories than to actually put in the work and spend consistent hours reading papers and working in these fields. In other words, stfu. This board is above this nonsense

Apparently this board isn't above this nonsense.

But this is a general problem in all internet spaces. It's empowered morons. Trolls used to stay underground but now everyone has a keyboard and a list of alternative sources which somersault their arguments into looking somewhat intelligent.

[Jesus_H_Macy]

We are stomping teams and we don't even have our best player. Okogies gonna get poached for sure this summer. Glad Ish got bumped up as big wings are always nice to have.

Ross has been great too. Suddenly that depth ain't too bad although we'll know for sure in the playoffs.

Btw whats the deal with Warren? Guy has played like sub 10 minutes now DNP. Is he cooked? Monty playing favorites? Still injured? We've been winning but you'd hope he can be the bench scorer in the playoffs.

Is it definitive we couldn't resign Okogie? Is it the fact that we are in the luxury tax and would cost much more than his contract? 10 million is not out of line and would be better than adding someone for the minimum to sit on the bench. Not my money though. Just curious as I really don't know why we wouldn't keep him over the alternative unless he gets an insane offer.

All we have is the tax MLE which is about $7 million.

Why can’t we re-sign him with Bird rights? Because he was one a one-year contract? Or something to do with us being in the LT? Or both?

[Saberestar]

Is it definitive we couldn't resign Okogie? Is it the fact that we are in the luxury tax and would cost much more than his contract? 10 million is not out of line and would be better than adding someone for the minimum to sit on the bench. Not my money though. Just curious as I really don't know why we wouldn't keep him over the alternative unless he gets an insane offer.

All we have is the tax MLE which is about $7 million.

Why can’t we re-sign him with Bird rights? Because he was one a one-year contract? Or something to do with us being in the LT? Or both?

We don't have Bird rights because he is a one year contract with the Suns. We can sign him with an exception (that tax MLE, around 7M per year).

[BobbieL]

All we have is the tax MLE which is about $7 million.

Why can’t we re-sign him with Bird rights? Because he was one a one-year contract? Or something to do with us being in the LT? Or both?

We don't have Bird rights because he is a one year contract with the Suns. We can sign him with an exception (that tax MLE, around 7M per year).

But the Suns should have Bird Rights for Torrey Craig though - is that accurate?

[RedIndian]

Why can’t we re-sign him with Bird rights? Because he was one a one-year contract? Or something to do with us being in the LT? Or both?

We don't have Bird rights because he is a one year contract with the Suns. We can sign him with an exception (that tax MLE, around 7M per year).

But the Suns should have Bird Rights for Torrey Craig though - is that accurate?

Yes

[lilfishi22]

All we have is the tax MLE which is about $7 million.

Why can’t we re-sign him with Bird rights? Because he was one a one-year contract? Or something to do with us being in the LT? Or both?

We don't have Bird rights because he is a one year contract with the Suns. We can sign him with an exception (that tax MLE, around 7M per year).

Unfortunate given Okogie right is probably on pace for a contract that's at least double the TPMLE. Unless he seriously regresses or his role gets smaller (I don't envision either), I don't think we can retain him. Athletic and young 3&D wings are highly valued in this league.

[lilfishi22]

I haven't followed the D.Rose situation much but what is his deal? I know he was dealing with some injury issues last season and came back to start the season but hasn't played mid-Dec?

[bwgood77]

The difference with Bazley is that he’s young and under team control for next season - so there’s some hope for offseason development even if he can’t crack the rotation yet. With a vet on a one-year minimum like TJ, if he doesn’t help immediately, he doesn’t have value at all.

And with both CP3 and Payne as injury-prone as they are, it’s easy to see a depth PG as a more important piece for the playoffs than a slight variation at combo forward. (Not that Rose is a great bet to stay healthy himself.)

Yeah, I like Warren but I doubt they'd cut Bazley since they can decide to keep him for sure and hold the rights. He isn't that good but you never know what happens after someone's rookie contract. Look at Okogie.

That being said, I'd also rather keep TJ than sign Rose. I do kind of doubt that Monty will play TJ though. Not really a fan of Rose.

Like others have said, I think Shamet will be designated as our third-string PG when he returns. Derrick Rose to me fall into the John Wall/ Kevin Love category of players who sound better on paper than they'll look on the court. TJ at a minimum still seems to be liked by some of the guys who played with him during his first stint in Phoenix, so if nothing else, he brings that to the table. Really not sure how Rose would fit this current crop.

Yeah, he's definitely our 3rd string PG, but I imagine we will have 1 of Paul, Book and Payne playing at all times.

[Jdiddy701]

Well, good news is that Dallas lost today and Clippers are currently down 13 in Denver. With KD making his debut on Wednesday, it’s time to separate ourselves from those two teams. Hopefully Suns gel together early. I think they will. Looking forward to it!


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[spanishninja]

dame dropped 71 tonight. imagine two dudes in the same season topping Book after these years.

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