2020 Offseason Speculation, free agency, summer trades (keep draft prospect talk in draft thread)

[Weemsickew14]

Here's a very realistic scenario I like for the offseason.
-Bring back Dario
-Bring back Baynes
-Draft Vassell at 10 (Hopefully he is there)
-Sign best available backup pg (Augustin, Clarkson, Dragic, Reggie Jackson, etc.)

Rubio/Backup FA/Carter/Jerome
Booker/Vassell
Mikal/Cam
Oubre/Dario/Frank
Ayton/Baynes

[bwgood77]

How would you guys prioritize the list of available free agent power forwards in this list in terms of best overall fit/ benefit? And how much money would/ should we committ to sign them?

1- Danilo Gallinari.
2- Davis Bertrans.
3- Serge Ibaka.
4- Paul Milsapp.
5- Derrick Favors.
6- Dario Saric.
7- Christian Wood.

And just for fun, Which point guard prospect in our projected draft range would fit best with each free agent power forward option? And within the scheme of our team overall?

1 Wood
2 Gallinari
3 Millsap

Wood has insane efficiency and is young. Gallinari would be close, but he's old...but still would be a nice vet perfect fit for a year or two. Millsap I have always loved...is shooting insane from 3 and is the most versatile and smartest player of the 3, but is way too old. Would probably only want him on a 1 year deal.

Saric I wouldn't mind keeping. The others I wouldn't bother with.

[Ghost of Kleine]

How would you guys prioritize the list of available free agent power forwards in this list in terms of best overall fit/ benefit? And how much money would/ should we committ to sign them?

1- Danilo Gallinari.
2- Davis Bertrans.
3- Serge Ibaka.
4- Paul Milsapp.
5- Derrick Favors.
6- Dario Saric.
7- Christian Wood.

And just for fun, Which point guard prospect in our projected draft range would fit best with each free agent power forward option? And within the scheme of our team overall?

1 Wood
2 Gallinari
3 Millsap

Wood has insane efficiency and is young. Gallinari would be close, but he's old...but still would be a nice vet perfect fit for a year or two. Millsap I have always loved...is shooting insane from 3 and is the most versatile and smartest player of the 3, but is way too old. Would probably only want him on a 1 year deal.

Saric I wouldn't mind keeping. The others I wouldn't bother with.

I gotta say, Pretty solid list. I forgot and had to check again to see that Milsap was hitting around 44% from three. Albeit relatively on small volume currently on around only 2 shots per game. Not sure how much it would cost to get him in the current down economy. But If we could get him for around 18/2 Then I'd consider him a solid get. As far as Saric is concerned, I wouldn't mind bringing him back, But only on two conditions:

1- He's willing to accept a backup role.
2- He's willing to sign for no more than 6-8 million per, As he's been relatively disappointing and inconsistent thus far. If he shows much improved conditioning, athleticism, and consistency, Then i'd give him a bit more, Otherwise, I might just choose the more cost effective alternative in Kaminsky.

As for my list, I absolutely agree on Woods. However, To get him, We'd likely have to drastically overpay, As many piston fans i've spoken with consider him to be a key piece to their future, And the pistons currently have around 10 million more than us in terms of available cap space to offer. But he'd definitely be perfect for our interests. I wonder If they'd consider an agreed upon sign and trade for him? Wherein they'd send us Woods (resigned) at 36/3, AND Kennard for a generous package of Oubre/10th pick/ future ( lottery protected first. Or in a 3 way trade, In which Philly gets the 10th pick and Kennard, Detroit gets Richardson/Oubre and the 22nd pick/ 2023 top 6 protected first from Phoenix, And Phoenix gets Wood and the 34th pick from Philly??

Assuming we can't get Wood, My list would be:

1- Gallinari. IF we can afford him? ( would we have to move Oubre in order to make space for his probable salary)??? I'd offer him around maybe 54/3, Or up to 66/3 (IF we moved Oubre to create the necessary space to sign him.
2-Ibaka. He's got great size and mobility at 7'0 to cover both the 4/5 positions.Is still productive, And only 30 yrs old, So he still has solid years left. In this market, I'd offer him no more than 24/2.
3- Milsap. He's still productive, But at 35, I'd probably only commit up to 20/2 tops. But would try to get him for 18/2.

If we're keeping Oubre, And looking for best available value aside from trade, I'd probably look at:
1- Bertans. 42/3. And then either Justin Holiday or at around 21/3 ( If our MLE exception is available to us). Otherwise, I'd look to sign Alec Burks or Bryn Forbes at around 12/3 using our room exception IF it's available to us. And Yes, I realize that Bertans offers almost no defense, That's why If we intend to pursue him, I'd also make it a point to pick up a late first/early 2nd to also add either Paul Reed or Tyler Bey at 34 ( purchased from Philly) to help flank Bertans defensively. And then also pursue Justin Holiday with what's left of our cap space, Or IF we have the MLE to offer.
2- Ibaka. 24/2.
3- Milsap. 20/2.

[jredsaz]

3 things.... The Wolves board has an unhealthy fixation and an unrealistic valuation on us trading Booker to them. It seems like there are some on the Bulls board who would be in favor of a package around our 10th pick for Lauri. And I think in the light of team continuity (and because we have had zero in the past) that the front office might be in favor of bringing Saric back for another run. I mean, we did trade for him and GM's dont like to look like they made a mistake after they mad a deal for a player.

First, I'm going straight to the wolves board after this post.

Second, I'm more interested in the Oubre for Lauri and Satoransky angle I've heard about. Satoransky looks to have made a bad impression in his first year with the Bulls and I wonder if they want to just drop his salary for 2021. I'm not super interested in giving up our pick for Lauri.

Last, I hope Saric is back. He is a major reason the teams assist numbers are so high. Really good secondary playmaker for a big. Love him as a back up big. Check out the below. News letter from a favorite Suns Twitter follow of mine. Breaks it down in there quite well. Recomend subscribing. Its free.

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Im the exact opposite, I much rather give up the pick than oubre in a Lauri deal. The suns need more good NBA players and there's certainly no guarantee that 10th pick becomes one.

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I get that. Gambo continues to speculate that Oubre will be dealt. Also, he and Markkanen are both free agents in 2021. Keeping both might be difficult. Last, I would probably rather not trade for Markkanen at all. Lol. Never been a huge fan.

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[jredsaz]

Here's a very realistic scenario I like for the offseason.
-Bring back Dario
-Bring back Baynes
-Draft Vassell at 10 (Hopefully he is there)
-Sign best available backup pg (Augustin, Clarkson, Dragic, Reggie Jackson, etc.)

Rubio/Backup FA/Carter/Jerome
Booker/Vassell
Mikal/Cam
Oubre/Dario/Frank
Ayton/Baynes

I'm fine letting Baynes move on if it means the Suns can add shooting in the backcourt or on the wing. He played well but he will probably cost more than he is actually worth. Love Vassell but the best guard scenario I see is actually in the draft. I dont like the group of point guards available at the MLE tbh. Which is what you will be able to pay by bringing Dario and Baynes back. Clarkson will cost too much. Teague and Augustine on one year deals are fine in a kinda depressing way but they could have full MLE offers elsewhere.

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[Mr Puddles]

Here's a very realistic scenario I like for the offseason.
-Bring back Dario
-Bring back Baynes
-Draft Vassell at 10 (Hopefully he is there)
-Sign best available backup pg (Augustin, Clarkson, Dragic, Reggie Jackson, etc.)

Rubio/Backup FA/Carter/Jerome
Booker/Vassell
Mikal/Cam
Oubre/Dario/Frank
Ayton/Baynes

I'm fine letting Baynes move on if it means the Suns can add shooting in the backcourt or on the wing. He played well but he will probably cost more than he is actually worth. Love Vassell but the best guard scenario I see is actually in the draft. I dont like the group of point guards available at the MLE tbh. Which is what you will be able to pay by bringing Dario and Baynes back. Clarkson will cost too much. Teague and Augustine on one year deals are fine in a kinda depressing way but they could have full MLE offers elsewhere.

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I honestly don't think that Baynes will net as much money as some have speculated.

He's turning 34 this year, is quite injury prone, and I don't see there being a huge market for back up centers to be honest.

He started the season of strong but at the end of the day, he's a 11.5 / 5.6 / 0.5 big man shooting 58% for the season. Even if you factor in that his numbers took a dip due to injury (and you could argue that that's balanced our by over performing when Ayton was injured) and that he has good defensive bbiq, I don't think any team views him as more than a back up C.

Don't get more wrong, I like Baynes and I really like having Baynes here long term as a backup for Ayton. I just don't see any teams out there reaching deep into their pockets to steal him away. I think we'll be able to keep him at a decent price.

[Mr Puddles]

Here's a very realistic scenario I like for the offseason.
-Bring back Dario
-Bring back Baynes
-Draft Vassell at 10 (Hopefully he is there)
-Sign best available backup pg (Augustin, Clarkson, Dragic, Reggie Jackson, etc.)

Rubio/Backup FA/Carter/Jerome
Booker/Vassell
Mikal/Cam
Oubre/Dario/Frank
Ayton/Baynes

Something along these lines is likely what will happen, which I think is fine. The Suns should improve due to the development of our young players and the growing chemistry.

Even with all the set backs this season, the current roster is pretty damn close to making the playoffs. If we can't make a splash in free agency, focus on addressing the needs (e.g. back up PG), hope for better health (and no suspensions) and we should be battling for the 7-8th spot next season.

[Saberestar]

Here's a very realistic scenario I like for the offseason.
-Bring back Dario
-Bring back Baynes
-Draft Vassell at 10 (Hopefully he is there)
-Sign best available backup pg (Augustin, Clarkson, Dragic, Reggie Jackson, etc.)

Rubio/Backup FA/Carter/Jerome
Booker/Vassell
Mikal/Cam
Oubre/Dario/Frank
Ayton/Baynes

I'm fine letting Baynes move on if it means the Suns can add shooting in the backcourt or on the wing. He played well but he will probably cost more than he is actually worth. Love Vassell but the best guard scenario I see is actually in the draft. I dont like the group of point guards available at the MLE tbh. Which is what you will be able to pay by bringing Dario and Baynes back. Clarkson will cost too much. Teague and Augustine on one year deals are fine in a kinda depressing way but they could have full MLE offers elsewhere.

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I honestly don't think that Baynes will net as much money as some have speculated.

He's turning 34 this year, is quite injury prone, and I don't see there being a huge market for back up centers to be honest.

He started the season of strong but at the end of the day, he's a 11.5 / 5.6 / 0.5 big man shooting 58% for the season. Even if you factor in that his numbers took a dip due to injury (and you could argue that that's balanced our by over performing when Ayton was injured) and that he has good defensive bbiq, I don't think any team views him as more than a back up C.

Don't get more wrong, I like Baynes and I really like having Baynes here long term as a backup for Ayton. I just don't see any teams out there reaching deep into their pockets to steal him away. I think we'll be able to keep him at a decent price.

Don't you think that he will get the full mid-level exception (around $9M) from some team over the cap?

Hopefully he is cheaper, but I think that's his salary floor for next season.

[nevetsov]

Yeah I think Baynes will get $10m-ish from us due bird rights, based on the chatter of us wanting to retain him so far and having the bird rights to do so. If we don't, we won't have the money to sign a replacement of a comparable quality.

We'll use the MLE on the best backup guard possible, draft another guard, and retain one of Saric/ Kaminsky.

[Saberestar]

How would you guys prioritize the list of available free agent power forwards in this list in terms of best overall fit/ benefit? And how much money would/ should we committ to sign them?

1- Danilo Gallinari.
2- Davis Bertrans.
3- Serge Ibaka.
4- Paul Milsapp.
5- Derrick Favors.
6- Dario Saric.
7- Christian Wood.

And just for fun, Which point guard prospect in our projected draft range would fit best with each free agent power forward option? And within the scheme of our team overall?

1 Wood
2 Gallinari
3 Millsap

Wood has insane efficiency and is young. Gallinari would be close, but he's old...but still would be a nice vet perfect fit for a year or two. Millsap I have always loved...is shooting insane from 3 and is the most versatile and smartest player of the 3, but is way too old. Would probably only want him on a 1 year deal.

Saric I wouldn't mind keeping. The others I wouldn't bother with.

I like Wood but I am not sure about his mentality.

I am not saying that he is a headcase, but I think he can disappear from some games because he is not focused enough and his attitude has been questioned a few times already during his career.

I wouldn't offer him a big time contract because he has played well only this last season. I think there is too much risk in a long term contract.

[Fo-Real]

First, I'm going straight to the wolves board after this post.

Second, I'm more interested in the Oubre for Lauri and Satoransky angle I've heard about. Satoransky looks to have made a bad impression in his first year with the Bulls and I wonder if they want to just drop his salary for 2021. I'm not super interested in giving up our pick for Lauri.

Last, I hope Saric is back. He is a major reason the teams assist numbers are so high. Really good secondary playmaker for a big. Love him as a back up big. Check out the below. News letter from a favorite Suns Twitter follow of mine. Breaks it down in there quite well. Recomend subscribing. Its free.

https://thefourpointplay.substack.com/

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Im the exact opposite, I much rather give up the pick than oubre in a Lauri deal. The suns need more good NBA players and there's certainly no guarantee that 10th pick becomes one.

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I get that. Gambo continues to speculate that Oubre will be dealt. Also, he and Markkanen are both free agents in 2021. Keeping both might be difficult. Last, I would probably rather not trade for Markkanen at all. Lol. Never been a huge fan.

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I was not a fan coming out of college, just thought he was a tall shooter. His first year with the Bulls, he popped and I was intrigued but then he fell off. If you youtube him, his development into a more physical player and his athleticism jumped off the screen to me. He is actually a beast when rolling it seems.

[bwgood77]

How would you guys prioritize the list of available free agent power forwards in this list in terms of best overall fit/ benefit? And how much money would/ should we committ to sign them?

1- Danilo Gallinari.
2- Davis Bertrans.
3- Serge Ibaka.
4- Paul Milsapp.
5- Derrick Favors.
6- Dario Saric.
7- Christian Wood.

And just for fun, Which point guard prospect in our projected draft range would fit best with each free agent power forward option? And within the scheme of our team overall?

1 Wood
2 Gallinari
3 Millsap

Wood has insane efficiency and is young. Gallinari would be close, but he's old...but still would be a nice vet perfect fit for a year or two. Millsap I have always loved...is shooting insane from 3 and is the most versatile and smartest player of the 3, but is way too old. Would probably only want him on a 1 year deal.

Saric I wouldn't mind keeping. The others I wouldn't bother with.

I like Wood but I am not sure about his mentality.

I am not saying that he is a headcase, but I think he can disappear from some games because he is not focused enough and his attitude has been questioned a few times already during his career.

I wouldn't offer him a big time contract because he has played well only this last season. I think there is too much risk in a long term contract.

To be honest, I haven't watched him a lot. I was just looking at his numbers and age mostly. We really can't offer anyone a big contract unless we renounce everyone and/or trade Oubre without taking money back. I don't see Oubre being traded and I don't see us renouncing everyone unless it's clear Baynes doesn't want to be back. I think we will keep one of Saric and Kaminsky too. We will likely not renounce people, be an over the cap team, and have the MLE...which really gives us the most depth, because we keep Baynes, Saric (with option to S&T), Frank, PGs we want to keep, and STILL can sign a backup guard...maybe a guy who could play 1 or 2.

I don't think we will sign an older pg for backup, but there are a bunch out there like Teague, Dragic, Jackson and Augustin.

We would probably keep Carter over those guys though. We actually could go after Melton...I'd be happy to see that.

Now a SG might be more preferable, but I don't know who would be worth going after that we could get with the MLE. I don't think you can get Joe Harris with that.

I would probably consider E'Twaun Moore. He shot over 42% from 3 a couple years ago, over 43% last year, over 45% one year, is a 39% career 3 pt shooter and is a solid backup 2.

I might take a look at Furkan Korkmaz as well who shot about 40% from 3.

[bwgood77]

Here's a very realistic scenario I like for the offseason.
-Bring back Dario
-Bring back Baynes
-Draft Vassell at 10 (Hopefully he is there)
-Sign best available backup pg (Augustin, Clarkson, Dragic, Reggie Jackson, etc.)

Rubio/Backup FA/Carter/Jerome
Booker/Vassell
Mikal/Cam
Oubre/Dario/Frank
Ayton/Baynes

Something along these lines is likely what will happen, which I think is fine. The Suns should improve due to the development of our young players and the growing chemistry.

Even with all the set backs this season, the current roster is pretty damn close to making the playoffs. If we can't make a splash in free agency, focus on addressing the needs (e.g. back up PG), hope for better health (and no suspensions) and we should be battling for the 7-8th spot next season.

I'd be happy with that.

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[Blonde]

I’m erring on the side of caution with Christian Wood. Suns fans seem to love him though. He hasn’t proven enough for me to feel comfortable investing in him for multiple years at starter level salary, and its not like he’s some fantastic fit next to Ayton. He’s probably better suited at the 5 moving forward and I think that’s what Detroit was thinking when they moved on from Drummond. I’d be surprised if they didn’t retain him.

[Ghost of Kleine]

1 Wood
2 Gallinari
3 Millsap

Wood has insane efficiency and is young. Gallinari would be close, but he's old...but still would be a nice vet perfect fit for a year or two. Millsap I have always loved...is shooting insane from 3 and is the most versatile and smartest player of the 3, but is way too old. Would probably only want him on a 1 year deal.

Saric I wouldn't mind keeping. The others I wouldn't bother with.

I like Wood but I am not sure about his mentality.

I am not saying that he is a headcase, but I think he can disappear from some games because he is not focused enough and his attitude has been questioned a few times already during his career.

I wouldn't offer him a big time contract because he has played well only this last season. I think there is too much risk in a long term contract.

To be honest, I haven't watched him a lot. I was just looking at his numbers and age mostly. We really can't offer anyone a big contract unless we renounce everyone and/or trade Oubre without taking money back. I don't see Oubre being traded and I don't see us renouncing everyone unless it's clear Baynes doesn't want to be back. I think we will keep one of Saric and Kaminsky too. We will likely not renounce people, be an over the cap team, and have the MLE...which really gives us the most depth, because we keep Baynes, Saric (with option to S&T), Frank, PGs we want to keep, and STILL can sign a backup guard...maybe a guy who could play 1 or 2.

I don't think we will sign an older pg for backup, but there are a bunch out there like Teague, Dragic, Jackson and Augustin.

We would probably keep Carter over those guys though. We actually could go after Melton...I'd be happy to see that.

Now a SG might be more preferable, but I don't know who would be worth going after that we could get with the MLE. I don't think you can get Joe Harris with that.

I would probably consider E'Twaun Moore. He shot over 42% from 3 a couple years ago, over 43% last year, over 45% one year, is a 39% career 3 pt shooter and is a solid backup 2.

I might take a look at Furkan Korkmaz as well who shot about 40% from 3.

That plan also sounds good I suppose. Question though, IF we don't renounce all of our players, Around how much should we actually have to offer for our MLE. Also, Would the MLE be our only exception available to us within that course ( plan)? I still think that either Justin Holiday ( for defense) or Alec Burks (instant Offense) would be a really solid option in the backcourt at the 2, again, With Holiday providing lockdown perimeter defense and a modicum of ISO scoring ability. And for Burks, Very solid near elite ISO scoring and a modicum of solid defense too. Both should be fairly affordable too.

Justin Holiday-
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/holidju01.html
42% from three/ 78% Free throws. He's a very solid perimeter defender with good size at 6'6, And is also a solid and versatile ISO scorer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/8points9seconds.com/2020/04/09/indiana-pacers-defensive-clips-justin-holiday/amp/

Alec Burks-
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/burksal01.html
** He's having a down year at 32% currently, However, He can be streaky, And get really hot offensively. More or less, He's still a walking bucket. But for the better part of his career has hovered around 36-37% from three. And his defense is improving. Also Bryn Forbes would still be another very good microwave scoring option for us off the bench.

Bryn Forbes-
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/forbebr01.html
He's a 40% career 3 point shooter and 80% from the free throw line. He should be relatively cheap as well.

IF we are looking for a straight backup guard, Then I do like at a minimal cost, Reggie Jackson and Shabazz Napier.

Reggie Jackson-
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jacksre01.html
39% from three and 81% from the free throw line. Just a very athletic and potent scorer.

Shabazz Napier-
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/napiesh01.html
38% from three and 83% from the line. And just a very solid all around floor general and defensive menace. I do also like Furkan Korkmaz in a shooting guard role. Although, I'd prefer to keep a close eye on both Svi Mikhailiuk and Ryan Broekhoff. As potential inclusions in any potential trade for a bigger player. They're both very adept 3 point shooters on minimum salaries.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Give Rubio a Mahomes-like contract.

[nevetsov]

Trade Okobo
Try Jerome at SG (3rd string)
Keep Carter as 3rd PG if he's willing

Acquire quality backup PG and SG via draft/ FA

[MrMiyagi]

I still really like Okobo. I think we need to give him the Dragic treatment: 20 minutes a night sink or swim. He's the best of our young guards at getting places on the floor with his dribble, he just doesn't seem like he can feel where his guys are and where they like the ball yet. 515 minutes of Tyler Johnson over 31 games probably would've been better spent on Elie.

Ty hasn't had enough time to really form an opinion on - he seemed pretty composed, but needs to get use to the speed of the NBA. Not getting the Summer League and Training camp definitely impacted this.

Carter is like the PJ Tucker of guards. He's definitely a good bench guy to have, but he needs to be paired with a playmaker. That playmaker might be Jerome or Okobo, but still too early to tell.

Honestly, I'm fine holding on to all three for the time being. I'm personally more concerned about our 4 spot.