The TJ Warren Thread!

[bwgood77]

I honestly think that after a few months of Warren as a starter, these predictions are going to look silly. A lot of the guys on this list are probably players that Ford and Pelton had been raving about last year, oozing about their potential, and now they're simply doubling down. I understand to a certain degree why they would put high potential boom or bust guys on there like Exum (whom I like myself), but Mirotic? I really fail to see how he had more upside moving forward than Warren.

Mirotic has sucked, but look at his stats tonight...very solid, so I don't know about him. I only know about his stats because I traded for him in fantasy, but he has been stuck on my bench, so I didn't benefit from this output tonight...solid across the board.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400828380

Sure but the guy is close to 25 vs Warren who turned 22 a couple of months ago. This is an article about guys with the most potential. Mirotic has started most games for the Bulls this season, and played in every game last season. He's had plenty more opportunities than Warren, and still Warren has managed to outplay him. Assuming that Warren has been promoted to starter now, and should get more consistent minutes than before, I fully expect his production go up.

I don't see how an almost 25 year old who has been a consistent part of his team's rotation, has more potential than a 22 year old who is just now starting to get consistent playing time.

I agree, but I'm betting those guys are not invested in watching the Suns as much as we are.

[Mr Puddles]

Mirotic has sucked, but look at his stats tonight...very solid, so I don't know about him. I only know about his stats because I traded for him in fantasy, but he has been stuck on my bench, so I didn't benefit from this output tonight...solid across the board.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400828380

Sure but the guy is close to 25 vs Warren who turned 22 a couple of months ago. This is an article about guys with the most potential. Mirotic has started most games for the Bulls this season, and played in every game last season. He's had plenty more opportunities than Warren, and still Warren has managed to outplay him. Assuming that Warren has been promoted to starter now, and should get more consistent minutes than before, I fully expect his production go up.

I don't see how an almost 25 year old who has been a consistent part of his team's rotation, has more potential than a 22 year old who is just now starting to get consistent playing time.

I agree, but I'm betting those guys are not invested in watching the Suns as much as we are.

I honestly think it's mostly that these guys want to double down on their earlier predictions. Just did a quick google search for both these guys and it's basically one quote after another about how underrated Mirotic is and that he will be a star:

"Had Mirotic been in this year's draft (he was drafted 23 by the Magic and then traded to the Bulls in 2011) I think he would've been the fourth player chosen behind Wiggins, Parker and Joel Embiid. "
https://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/comments/2hyc24/chad_ford_insider_piece_on_rookies_who_will/

"Bulls' Mirotic deserves ROY award"
http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/12613503/chicago-bulls-forward-nikola-mirotic-rookie-year-nba

Meanwhile Ford had TJ Warren going 20th in his mock draft. In all fairness, Pelton has been praising Warren.

[STEV13]

Needs more attention from the media, him being underrated could be a good personal motivation though. This guy doesn't know how to turn the ball over! Crazy good.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Here's some hidden gems:

Lowest Turnover % of any player to play 700 minutes this season (160 players).

Only Kawhi Leonard has a better points to turnover ratio of players that score 18 points per 36 (70 players, didn't compare to extremely low minutes players).

Also on our other rookie Booker has the best 3PT % of any player with more than 3 attempts in total (328 players).

Only he and Kawhi Leonard have shot over 48% from 3PT from more than 6 attempts in total (307 players).

If you're putting up significant stats where only the best players belong in, at some stage there's a good chance you might end up one of them.

Also suggests we're not running enough plays for both, while other players take 15-20 shots a game.

[JMac1]

Here's some hidden gems:

Lowest Turnover % of any player to play 700 minutes this season (160 players).

Only Kawhi Leonard has a better points to turnover ratio of players that score 18 points per 36 (70 players, didn't compare to extremely low minutes players).

Also on our other rookie Booker has the best 3PT % of any player with more than 3 attempts in total (328 players).

Only he and Kawhi Leonard have shot over 48% from 3PT from more than 6 attempts in total (307 players).

If you're putting up significant stats where only the best players belong in, at some stage there's a good chance you might end up one of them.

Also suggests we're not running enough plays for both, while other players take 15-20 shots a game.

Let the coach know that. Maybe they will fire the two new coaches for it. Knight is a gunner!!

[Mr Puddles]

Here's some hidden gems:

Lowest Turnover % of any player to play 700 minutes this season (160 players).

Only Kawhi Leonard has a better points to turnover ratio of players that score 18 points per 36 (70 players, didn't compare to extremely low minutes players).

Also on our other rookie Booker has the best 3PT % of any player with more than 3 attempts in total (328 players).

Only he and Kawhi Leonard have shot over 48% from 3PT from more than 6 attempts in total (307 players).

If you're putting up significant stats where only the best players belong in, at some stage there's a good chance you might end up one of them.

Also suggests we're not running enough plays for both, while other players take 15-20 shots a game.

Let the coach know that. Maybe they will fire the two new coaches for it. Knight is a gunner!!

Last game Warren had twice as many points as Knight, but somehow Knight had three more shot attempts. Our point guards have been bad a continuing to feed the hot hand this season.

[LukasBMW]

TJ is seriously our best player. He's a joy to watch. Every game it seems like he shows off different moves. Yes, the backdoor cuts and second chance points are his bread and butter, but he is constantly showing the ability to score in creative ways from any point on the floor.

Booker and TJ are the bright spots of our team. Both have allstar potential. Best of all, both don't need the ball to score.

[Djedefre]

Booker and TJ are the bright spots of our team. Both have allstar potential. Best of all, both don't need the ball to score.

This, my friends, should be the cornerstone of our future roster building

[jcsunsfan]

Booker and TJ are the bright spots of our team. Both have allstar potential. Best of all, both don't need the ball to score.

This, my friends, should be the cornerstone of our future roster building

Both Booker and Warren have shown promise, but BK and EB were also really balling not long ago. The real question is can they do it over the long term. That has yet to be answered.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I would argue you do need the ball to score in basketball.

[lilfishi22]

Here's some hidden gems:

Lowest Turnover % of any player to play 700 minutes this season (160 players).

Only Kawhi Leonard has a better points to turnover ratio of players that score 18 points per 36 (70 players, didn't compare to extremely low minutes players).

Also on our other rookie Booker has the best 3PT % of any player with more than 3 attempts in total (328 players).

Only he and Kawhi Leonard have shot over 48% from 3PT from more than 6 attempts in total (307 players).

If you're putting up significant stats where only the best players belong in, at some stage there's a good chance you might end up one of them.

Also suggests we're not running enough plays for both, while other players take 15-20 shots a game.

Let the coach know that. Maybe they will fire the two new coaches for it. Knight is a gunner!!

Last game Warren had twice as many points as Knight, but somehow Knight had three more shot attempts. Our point guards have been bad a continuing to feed the hot hand this season.

They don't know how to feed anyone except themselves which is the issue with our PG's (Bledsoe included). The coach really needs to step in in those situations and tell them to get guys like Booker and Warren open.

[AtheJ415]

Let the coach know that. Maybe they will fire the two new coaches for it. Knight is a gunner!!

Last game Warren had twice as many points as Knight, but somehow Knight had three more shot attempts. Our point guards have been bad a continuing to feed the hot hand this season.

They don't know how to feed anyone except themselves which is the issue with our PG's (Bledsoe included). The coach really needs to step in in those situations and tell them to get guys like Booker and Warren open.

The coach needs to step in and run something more diverse than drive and kick and pick and rolls on repeat. It's easy to say, "oh, well Booker and Warren don't get the ball, so it's whoever has the ball's fault". The truth is nobody on our offense moves off the ball. Accordingly, they are always covered and it becomes very difficult to get them the ball.

I fully agree our guards need to be less selfish, but our scheme is every bit the problem. The coach stepping in isn't necessarily a solution if he designed this offense to begin with.

[lilfishi22]

Last game Warren had twice as many points as Knight, but somehow Knight had three more shot attempts. Our point guards have been bad a continuing to feed the hot hand this season.

They don't know how to feed anyone except themselves which is the issue with our PG's (Bledsoe included). The coach really needs to step in in those situations and tell them to get guys like Booker and Warren open.

The coach needs to step in and run something more diverse than drive and kick and pick and rolls on repeat. It's easy to say, "oh, well Booker and Warren don't get the ball, so it's whoever has the ball's fault". The truth is nobody on our offense moves off the ball. Accordingly, they are always covered and it becomes very difficult to get them the ball.

I fully agree our guards need to be less selfish, but our scheme is every bit the problem. The coach stepping in isn't necessarily a solution if he designed this offense to begin with.

You'll get no disagreement from me. I think Knight is just really taking it upon himself to carry the scoring load which makes him play with blinders on. Knight also is a relatively average 1 on 1 player so it doesn't help that he isn't passing as much as he should. The coach does need to step in and make things easier for him by moving the offense more and opening up opportunities for him.

[Mulhollanddrive]

His mid range floaters are a swish just about every time. Great to watch a unique player.

I think he'll be better than Brandon Ingram (similar type projected to be no.2 this draft).

Just keep working on defence and his outside shot and he'll be a complete player with a weapon.

[pidi]

On his second year... this guys is sugar, plays realy well and can score on almost every posession.

I realy think we should build around him and booker, i realy do

[Steve Nashidis]

Tj Warren is multi score machine. He has .
score after dribble,

drive

floater



steal, run & gang

post moves.

shoot

cut and create/pass/score

My favorite???? floοοοοοοοοοοater.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Nice.

[AtheJ415]

Here's some hidden gems:

Lowest Turnover % of any player to play 700 minutes this season (160 players).

Only Kawhi Leonard has a better points to turnover ratio of players that score 18 points per 36 (70 players, didn't compare to extremely low minutes players).

Also on our other rookie Booker has the best 3PT % of any player with more than 3 attempts in total (328 players).

Only he and Kawhi Leonard have shot over 48% from 3PT from more than 6 attempts in total (307 players).

If you're putting up significant stats where only the best players belong in, at some stage there's a good chance you might end up one of them.

Also suggests we're not running enough plays for both, while other players take 15-20 shots a game.

Let the coach know that. Maybe they will fire the two new coaches for it. Knight is a gunner!!

Yup, and he's rewarding Knight for it by making him the NBA league leader in minutes played. Knight would be much better shooting 12-15 shots a game. I have no idea how Jeff lets this happen. It makes me believe he is telling Knight to be aggressive with Bledsoe out since Jeff clearly doesn't trust the youngsters yet. I mean, I can't understand why Booker and Warren aren't getting 30 minutes a game on this awful team, so he must not trust them.

[Frank Lee]

I agree, but I'm betting those guys are not invested in watching the Suns as much as we are.

is anybody ? We have gone from perhaps the most entertaining team to watch to arguably the least in a matter of... gulp... 8 yrs?

(god. its been that long ??? )

[aIvin adams]

I agree, but I'm betting those guys are not invested in watching the Suns as much as we are.

is anybody ? We have gone from perhaps the most entertaining team to watch to arguably the least in a matter of... gulp... 8 yrs?

(god. its been that long ??? )

no, it hasnt

my favorite Nash squad was 2009-2010 and our squad was a blast to watch in 2013-2014