The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[bwgood77]

I'm sorry buddy but he understands them fine. That's the point. The cap is based off of the the players take from the total revenue generated by the league. Stars should make more because they generate money for the league. Players are the reason there is television money. TV money paces the value the franchises.

Any system that Max's out LBJ at $20 Mil/year is laughable. Moreover, the assumption that these guys make enough money because they make a lot of money in nonsense.

No, Stein really doesn't, but that's kind of besides the point.

I agree with you that LeBron should make more money because you can't put a price on his talents. But if you want some kind of parity in the league, you can't really just continue to raise the cap to epic proportions so the very best guys can make what they are worth.

There really should be another way for these guys to get paid. Perhaps it is jersey sale payouts.....players get a huge commission on their personal jersey sales from the league to help compensate them for making the league so valuable as a whole. This is just a quick idea, but other ways to properly compensate the players who are REALLY helping the league and some teams make money.

Another one could be a back end cut from the owners profit each year...if you were a star for a team who sells out every game, sells tons of merchandise, hosts 16 playoff games and makes the owner a bunch, you get a percentage of the profits at the end....or even a whole team gets a percentage based on their salaries. (I know they already have something somewhat similar to this in place where players get a certain % of BRI (basketball related income) so if the league and teams make more, it gets divided among the players anyway).

I think an innovative approach to this would work out well. But to increase the cap and max salaries to enable the best players to make what they want or are perhaps worth is only going to help out big markets and create more superteams and the small markets would get crushed.

[jredsaz]

Without the NBA, lebron is just another tall guy bagging your groceries at your local grocery store in Cleveland.



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Seriously?

Exactly what could he do? He has no education other than a high school diploma.

But please enlighten me what he could do? I'm dying to know.

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In your alternate world does the NFL exist? He had a multitude of D-I scholarships for football.

Plus the guy has parlayed his brand into one of the most recognizable around the world, something that the NBA helped create I will concede.

A guy with the kind of business sense and personal drive to become not only the best basketball player in the world but the next billion dollar athlete I assume would manage to do better than bag grocery's in the absence of a professional basketball league.

[Sunsdeuce]

In your alternate world does the NFL exist? He had a multitude of D-I scholarships for football.

Plus the guy has parlayed his brand into one of the most recognizable around the world, something that the NBA helped create I will concede.

A guy with the kind of business sense and personal drive to become not only the best basketball player in the world but the next billion dollar athlete I assume would manage to do better than bag grocery's in the absence of a professional basketball league.

well that stupid train just keeps rolling you over. You totally missed the point. And I'm done talking about it.


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[SunZel]

Saw this on the nbadraft.net forum. Sounds all like speculation. h
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Bucks still in on Bledsoe???

Bucks insider Gery Woelfel was on the radio today and said he has talked to multiple executives that say the Bucks are very interested in Bledsoe and could be preparing to offer a sign and trade deal to Pheonix for him... He speculates that the Bucks would probably offer Ilyasova and Henson for Bledsoe but May have to give up an additional piece... Personally I would love that deal... Ilyasova and Henson are expendable after drafting Parker, O'bryant and Damien Inglis... Jason Kidd mentioned moving Knight to SG so Bledsoe would be a great fit...

[Just_Win]

I'm sorry buddy but he understands them fine. That's the point. The cap is based off of the the players take from the total revenue generated by the league. Stars should make more because they generate money for the league.
Any system that Max's out LBJ at $20 Mil/year is laughable. Moreover, the assumption that these guys make enough money because they make a lot of money in nonsense.

Tell that to the NFL players. Chandler Parsons makes more than the best paid NFL player. You don't hear NFL players whining about low pay. NFL players restructure all the time so their teams can go out and get new players. In general NBA players are overpaid babies.

This man gets it!!!!! So true. I love basketball but if it wasn't around everyone would be just fine.


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Same could be said about every sport in that case.

[NaturalBuns]

Without the NBA, lebron is just another tall guy bagging your groceries at your local grocery store in Cleveland.

Come on man. LeBron is the most athletic human being on the planet. Even if basketball didn't exist, this guy would be beasting in football or track and field etc.

Brock lesner thought the same thing. He was/is an athletic freak of nature. He didn't make if a week in the Vikings try outs.


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Brock lesner didn't play a athletic position.
Lebron would.
And Brock turned out fine he dominated the UFC.
In which football players try all the time to make it to UFC and fail.

[bwgood77]

If anything, I think the nba needs to adopt the nfl system. If your not cutting it on the court, you get cut. I want to met someone who basically is worthless at work but keeps his job. That's not how life is'

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I couldn't agree more with this. Guaranteed contracts are a joke. All is does is make a percentage of the players lazy after they sign their big contracts.

[kingstyyyle]

Seriously?

Exactly what could he do? He has no education other than a high school diploma.

But please enlighten me what he could do? I'm dying to know.

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In your alternate world does the NFL exist? He had a multitude of D-I scholarships for football.

Plus the guy has parlayed his brand into one of the most recognizable around the world, something that the NBA helped create I will concede.

A guy with the kind of business sense and personal drive to become not only the best basketball player in the world but the next billion dollar athlete I assume would manage to do better than bag grocery's in the absence of a professional basketball league.

I think it's obvious he's talking about him pursuing a profession using his mind not his athletic talents. In this "alternate universe" he would probably make different decisions like maybe finishing school but I thought the conversation was specifically about b-ball players being overpaid.

[jredsaz]

I'm sorry buddy but he understands them fine. That's the point. The cap is based off of the the players take from the total revenue generated by the league. Stars should make more because they generate money for the league. Players are the reason there is television money. TV money paces the value the franchises.

Any system that Max's out LBJ at $20 Mil/year is laughable. Moreover, the assumption that these guys make enough money because they make a lot of money in nonsense.

No, Stein really doesn't, but that's kind of besides the point.

I agree with you that LeBron should make more money because you can't put a price on his talents. But if you want some kind of parity in the league, you can't really just continue to raise the cap to epic proportions so the very best guys can make what they are worth.

There really should be another way for these guys to get paid. Perhaps it is jersey sale payouts.....players get a huge commission on their personal jersey sales from the league to help compensate them for making the league so valuable as a whole. This is just a quick idea, but other ways to properly compensate the players who are REALLY helping the league and some teams make money.

Another one could be a back end cut from the owners profit each year...if you were a star for a team who sells out every game, sells tons of merchandise, hosts 16 playoff games and makes the owner a bunch, you get a percentage of the profits at the end....or even a whole team gets a percentage based on their salaries. (I know they already have something somewhat similar to this in place where players get a certain % of BRI (basketball related income) so if the league and teams make more, it gets divided among the players anyway).

I think an innovative approach to this would work out well. But to increase the cap and max salaries to enable the best players to make what they want or are perhaps worth is only going to help out big markets and create more superteams and the small markets would get crushed.

Players as whole should get a bigger piece of the pie in my opinion. All of those creative ideas are ways to tweak revenue sharing in favor of the players. Good ideas too.

I still think salary's, because that is the fundamental compensation for on the court play, should be increased. IMHO

[Sunsdeuce]

If anything, I think the nba needs to adopt the nfl system. If your not cutting it on the court, you get cut. I want to met someone who basically is worthless at work but keeps his job. That's not how life is'

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I couldn't agree more with this. Guaranteed contracts are a joke. All is does is make a percentage of the players lazy after they sign their big contracts.

Yeah, nfl players have to bring it every game. They have no choose. Nba players can kick back and relax soon as they get a big contract.


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[Moochthemonkey]

you coming down to a conclusion that he will bag groceries is probably racist, if not just incredibly ignorant.

wtf? how could his comment be possibly construed as racist? He didn't say he was would work at a KFC.

"Bagging groceries" is simply a figure of speech. As it stands, Lebron has no more marketable skills at the end of the day other than being an athlete.

The point of the matter is, at the end of the day he will make hundreds of millions for bouncing a ball around...not to say he isn't entitled to whatever money he gets, but if someone complains about how much money they are making (as Sunsdeuce pointed out- something normal people do in their spare time; an activity many others do not have the opportunity to partake in) I will simply laugh.

When I was in my mid and early twenties I made 25-30k making/playing/teaching music...I told my friends that if I ever complained about how much I got paid to slap me across the face.

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Brock lesner thought the same thing. He was/is an athletic freak of nature. He didn't make if a week in the Vikings try outs.


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Even if not football, his opportunities are endless.

I don't understand what someone would do for work besides work a dead end job without a college education no matter what body type they have. It reminds me of my 26 year old stripper friend named Mary. She has no education and her resume is all strip clubs. Shes' hot as hell but I doubt she gets a good job after her stripping days.

If basketball didn't exist, LeBron would be among the greatest track and field stars of all time. Or maybe football. He would be on the Olympics team every year.

Hell maybe he will build up and be a body builder.

[bwgood77]

Saw this on the nbadraft.net forum. Sounds all like speculation. h
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Bucks still in on Bledsoe???

Bucks insider Gery Woelfel was on the radio today and said he has talked to multiple executives that say the Bucks are very interested in Bledsoe and could be preparing to offer a sign and trade deal to Pheonix for him... He speculates that the Bucks would probably offer Ilyasova and Henson for Bledsoe but May have to give up an additional piece... Personally I would love that deal... Ilyasova and Henson are expendable after drafting Parker, O'bryant and Damien Inglis... Jason Kidd mentioned moving Knight to SG so Bledsoe would be a great fit...

Interesting. It doesn't seem like they would be preparing to offer a S&T deal unless they had already talked to Phx. I think the only way Phx would do one is if they are worried from a medical standpoint. Otherwise a deal is a bit surprising.

I did notice Henson had some monster games at times but I have never really watched him play so I don't know how he fits at all. I know what Ilyasova does. We would definitely need a draft pick, and hopefully one not too heavily protected for too long.

And before people go crazy, I am just responding to what is hearsay of hearsay, so there is very likely nothing to it, but obviously there could be as well since they are the one team that could offer Bledsoe a decent sized contract (and a max one if they have assets going out).

[bwgood77]

you coming down to a conclusion that he will bag groceries is probably racist, if not just incredibly ignorant.

wtf? how could his comment be possibly construed as racist? He didn't say he was would work at a KFC.

"Bagging groceries" is simply a figure of speech. As it stands, Lebron has no more marketable skills at the end of the day other than being an athlete.

The point of the matter is, at the end of the day he will make hundreds of millions for bouncing a ball around...not to say he isn't entitled to whatever money he gets, but if someone complains about how much money they are making (as Sunsdeuce pointed out- something normal people do in their spare time; an activity many others do not have the opportunity to partake in) I will simply laugh.

When I was in my mid and early twenties I made 25-30k making/playing/teaching music...I told my friends that if I ever complained about how much I got paid to slap me across the face.

Bagging groceries racist? Against who? They only NFL player I know of who worked at a grocery store was Kurt Warner.

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Brock lesner thought the same thing. He was/is an athletic freak of nature. He didn't make if a week in the Vikings try outs.


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Even if not football, his opportunities are endless.

I don't understand what someone would do for work besides work a dead end job without a college education no matter what body type they have. It reminds me of my 26 year old stripper friend named Mary. She has no education and her resume is all strip clubs. Shes' hot as hell but I doubt she gets a good job after her stripping days.

Pics or she isn't real.

[kingstyyyle]

Even if not football, his opportunities are endless.

I don't understand what someone would do for work besides work a dead end job without a college education no matter what body type they have. It reminds me of my 26 year old stripper friend named Mary. She has no education and her resume is all strip clubs. Shes' hot as hell but I doubt she gets a good job after her stripping days.

If basketball didn't exist, LeBron would be among the greatest track and field stars of all time. Or maybe football. He would be on the Olympics team every year.

Hell maybe he will build up and be a body builder.

Or a stripper

[Jdiddy701]

Something to think about: Suns could sign and trade Bledsoe to a team he doesn't mind playing for and with those players returning to Phoenix would look like a bad deal for us but not if you add those returning players plus other current Suns player for a deal for Love.. so essentially it's like trading Bledsoe and some of our young ones for Love. Sounds confusing but that's my only reason why this is taking so long for the Bledsoe decision. Suns might be looking to see exactly what Wolves want from other teams that could juice up the trade a little more than what we are currently offering. My guess is Len, Archie, Ennis and draft picks. Again, just my speculation.

Sounds very confusing, I'm sorry.


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[Revived]

Saw this on the nbadraft.net forum. Sounds all like speculation. h
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Bucks still in on Bledsoe???

Bucks insider Gery Woelfel was on the radio today and said he has talked to multiple executives that say the Bucks are very interested in Bledsoe and could be preparing to offer a sign and trade deal to Pheonix for him... He speculates that the Bucks would probably offer Ilyasova and Henson for Bledsoe but May have to give up an additional piece... Personally I would love that deal... Ilyasova and Henson are expendable after drafting Parker, O'bryant and Damien Inglis... Jason Kidd mentioned moving Knight to SG so Bledsoe would be a great fit...

Interesting. It doesn't seem like they would be preparing to offer a S&T deal unless they had already talked to Phx. I think the only way Phx would do one is if they are worried from a medical standpoint. Otherwise a deal is a bit surprising.

I did notice Henson had some monster games at times but I have never really watched him play so I don't know how he fits at all. I know what Ilyasova does. We would definitely need a draft pick, and hopefully one not too heavily protected for too long.

And before people go crazy, I am just responding to what is hearsay of hearsay, so there is very likely nothing to it, but obviously there could be as well since they are the one team that could offer Bledsoe a decent sized contract (and a max one if they have assets going out).

John Henson would be so nice here. I can't believe the Bucks are willing to trade him.

[jredsaz]

Exactly what could he do? He has no education other than a high school diploma.

But please enlighten me what he could do? I'm dying to know.

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In your alternate world does the NFL exist? He had a multitude of D-I scholarships for football.

Plus the guy has parlayed his brand into one of the most recognizable around the world, something that the NBA helped create I will concede.

A guy with the kind of business sense and personal drive to become not only the best basketball player in the world but the next billion dollar athlete I assume would manage to do better than bag grocery's in the absence of a professional basketball league.

I think it's obvious he's talking about him pursuing a profession using his mind not his athletic talents. In this "alternate universe" he would probably make different decisions like maybe finishing school but I thought the conversation was specifically about b-ball players being overpaid.

You can't be defending that comment. Right? And I thought it started as a convo about players being underpaid? lol.

[Sunsdeuce]

The bucks maybe our best only option right now for Bledsoe. I guarantee, if they offer him a max contract, he won't turn it down. Who would? It would probably work out well for both teams.


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