Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

King4Day · Post #261 » by **King4Day** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 1:13 am

Not sure what the fascination is with Zoran. He may be good someday but he's playing Euro talent. We aren't desperate for another guard and need to develop what we have.

King4Day · Post #262 » by **King4Day** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 1:14 am

I think signing Joe Johnson will be to have another unguaranteed deal in case a trade comes along and we need someone to move.
Otherwise, it'll probably be to compete with Ennis. If Jackson shines, maybe we then deal Ennis.

Post #263 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 1:27 am

Frank Lee wrote:I don't think Bledsoe is waiting on an offer. I think they are waiting on a trade. With both LA and NY having loads of cap room next yr, and the emphasis on marketing imagery from the Paul/James camp, it is completely logical to think Eric the Bled makes more money , long term, by holding out. Face it, the Room Store commercial spots pale in comparison to anything LA or NYC. Bledsoe will piggyback James' fame/influence as far as he can. The QO is not a death sentence nor an agent failure, at least in their eyes. They set the bar high. I believe their strategy all along was Phnx(or?) at the max or wait until next yr and get it from LA or NY or?

Here's to hoping McDo and the Babbster can parlay some good return from this unfortunate highjacking. I have to think there is a three way in store. Boston ? SacTown? Bueller ? Bueller ?

Well of course, because if we're not willing to pay him what he wants, then he'd either want to go to some place that would pay him or some place he genuinely wants to be at. But they (Bledsoe's camp) certainly don't seem to be doing much to help them do either.

Post #264 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 1:28 am

DarkHawk wrote:I think signing Joe Jackson will be to have another unguaranteed deal in case a trade comes along and we need someone to move.
Otherwise, it'll probably be to compete with Ennis. If Jackson shines, maybe we then deal Ennis.

Fixed it for ya.

Frank Lee · Post #265 » by **Frank Lee** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 1:34 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:I don't think Bledsoe is waiting on an offer. I think they are waiting on a trade. With both LA and NY having loads of cap room next yr, and the emphasis on marketing imagery from the Paul/James camp, it is completely logical to think Eric the Bled makes more money , long term, by holding out. Face it, the Room Store commercial spots pale in comparison to anything LA or NYC. Bledsoe will piggyback James' fame/influence as far as he can. The QO is not a death sentence nor an agent failure, at least in their eyes. They set the bar high. I believe their strategy all along was Phnx(or?) at the max or wait until next yr and get it from LA or NY or?

Here's to hoping McDo and the Babbster can parlay some good return from this unfortunate highjacking. I have to think there is a three way in store. Boston ? SacTown? Bueller ? Bueller ?

Well of course, because if we're not willing to pay him what he wants, then he'd either want to go to some place that would pay him or some place he genuinely wants to be at. But they (Bledsoe's camp) certainly don't seem to be doing much to help them do either.

There is no need for help. They set the price tag and are completely content with not getting it.... this yr. Thats why there is no communication. They had no intention of playing for Phnx unless it came on their terms. As it seems to play out, this has been a take it or leave offer from the get go, IMO. They don't care.

Flying Colors · Post #266 » by **Flying Colors** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 1:36 am

i imagine that once the deadline comes Bledsoe will sign whatever we put in front of him, they are just **** with us until then.

Scutt · Post #267 » by **Scutt** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 1:44 am

Frank Lee wrote:I don't think Bledsoe is waiting on an offer. I think they are waiting on a trade.

That could be, but there would still need be some communication with the Suns to make a trade work. I don't get the silent/ stonewall treatment, it seems unprofessional. If he doesn't like Phoenix, he should ask for a trade. If its purely about money, he should take the qualifying offer and play out the season to become a UFA.

Why play an awkward year in Phoenix on the QO, when you could potentially be traded to a team you want to play for by opening up the lines of communication? I would think any team trading for Bledsoe would probably want him to participate in a full training camp as well, so the whole thing just seems strange to me.

Post #268 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 1:47 am

Frank Lee wrote:There is no need for help. They set the price tag and are completely content with not getting it.... this yr. Thats why there is no communication. They had no intention of playing for Phnx unless it came on their terms. As it seems to play out, this has been a take it or leave offer from the get go, IMO. They don't care.

But it makes no sense to play for the Suns on the QO if he could potentially get paid elsewhere or at least play for a team he truly wants to play for. That would involve a trade which means sitting down with the Suns. They don't seem to have brought any potential deals to the table so they are essentially, waiting on the Suns to read between the lines and find a trade for them that he would agree to. It's completely mind-boggling.

King4Day · Post #269 » by **King4Day** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:02 am

The only hope I have that maybe we come to terms on a deal is, why hasn't Bledsoe come out and signed his QO?
Maybe Paul is still frantically working with Philly to get them to sign him to a max offer by reasoning with them that Phoenix will def match.

Or maybe, knowing that the Suns are still willing to negotiate, they want to wait until the last minute and hope we budge.
Regardless, this does give me hope that, at the very least, we have a shot at talking to him.

Frank Lee · Post #270 » by **Frank Lee** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:07 am

makes total sense to me.... now.

Bled-co has no ties to phnx and frankly will only play here for the max. Its up to Phnx to either pay him the big chunk, or to find him a home. He'll take the QO gladly, and halfass a season knowing that the Suns will do everything they can to trade him, or pay him what they asked, else he is just walking next yr. There is no point to negotiate. Its the new form of Player/Agency 'us against them' attitude. We (the players) will build the teams, you (the owners) just need to pay us. Thanks LeBron.

I miss the days when teams/players hated each other. Now its one big GD love-fest. I blame it on the olympics. In the day of true amateurs, the pros never spent time together, except during the all-star week end. Now they buddy up and bond, scheme and cream over each other.

Post #271 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:13 am

DarkHawk wrote:The only hope I have that maybe we come to terms on a deal is, why hasn't Bledsoe come out and signed his QO?
Maybe Paul is still frantically working with Philly to get them to sign him to a max offer by reasoning with them that Phoenix will def match.

Or maybe, knowing that the Suns are still willing to negotiate, they want to wait until the last minute and hope we budge.
Regardless, this does give me hope that, at the very least, we have a shot at talking to him.

Huge risk and no reward. What if the Suns don't match and now they have Bledsoe on the max next to MCW. There's no reason Philly would do Paul a favor by offering a max offer to Bledsoe with the risk they could get stuck with a huge deal they didn't want in the first place.

The Suns are WILLING to negotiate but from everything we've heard, it is they, who have not come to the table.

Scutt · Post #272 » by **Scutt** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 2:29 am

Frank Lee wrote:
He'll take the QO gladly, and halfass a season knowing that the Suns will do everything they can to trade him, or pay him what they asked, else he is just walking next yr. There is no point to negotiate.

No way Bledsoe "half asses" the season while playing on the QO. He is going to have to prove to teams he is worth the max and put up numbers like he did last year and be healthy the whole time too. It is an audition for him, why would he purposefully blow that? The Lakers and Knicks are not just going to give him a max contract if his numbers slip.

Frank Lee · Post #273 » by **Frank Lee** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 3:07 am

He won't make it to Dec if he signs the QO

drewsprocket · Post #274 » by **drewsprocket** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 5:39 am

Frank Lee wrote:makes total sense to me.... now.

Bled-co has no ties to phnx and frankly will only play here for the max. Its up to Phnx to either pay him the big chunk, or to find him a home. He'll take the QO gladly, and halfass a season knowing that the Suns will do everything they can to trade him, or pay him what they asked, else he is just walking next yr. There is no point to negotiate. Its the new form of Player/Agency 'us against them' attitude. We (the players) will build the teams, you (the owners) just need to pay us. Thanks LeBron.

I miss the days when teams/players hated each other. Now its one big GD love-fest. I blame it on the olympics. In the day of true amateurs, the pros never spent time together, except during the all-star week end. Now they buddy up and bond, scheme and cream over each other.

If he takes the QO I would practically bench him in favor of IT and giving Archie minutes. I say play only players who fit into our future. The guy's injury kept us out of the playoffs and now he demands the max. That's fracking ridiculi! There's no room for a guy who's that hell bent on himself. If I were his teammate, I'd think he's delusional. Let's see him squirm on the bench and beg for a trade to a team who will give him minutes...Honestly, him taking the QO isn't that bad, there will be a lot of teams offering up trades for him since he'll be on the cheap. He's not going to get a max deal next year if he barely plays or guns only for himself.

eagle13 · Post #275 » by **eagle13** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 6:25 am

Howdy Suns fans - What do you think? Would you accept a trade of David Lee for Bledsoe?

Marz11 · Post #276 » by **Marz11** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 6:30 am

There is going to be a trade..

Signing a point guard, going after Z. Dragic makes no sense unless one or two players are leaving.

Bledsoe and Green for... ?

WTFsunsFTW · Post #277 » by **WTFsunsFTW** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 6:38 am

eagle13 wrote:Howdy Suns fans - What do you think? Would you accept a trade of David Lee for Bledsoe?

The question is, why would GS max out bledsoe?? Their guard tandem is set and theyre going to need to break the bank in a few years to keep Curry and Klay. The Bledsoe problem isnt a trade problem, it's a salary demand problem.

RunDogGun · Post #278 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 7:00 am

It's funny, but Jeff Hornacek jokingly said in summer league that he was thinking of starting five point guards. So maybe half joking?

gaspar · Post #279 » by **gaspar** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 7:06 am

lilfishi22 wrote:What is the point of Joe Jackson?

We need a camp body at PG because:
a) Bledsoe is still a free agent,
b) IT is recovering from a surgery,
c) Goran will be tired after the WC.

RunDogGun · Post #280 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Sep 9, 2014 7:06 am

WTFsunsFTW wrote:
eagle13 wrote:Howdy Suns fans - What do you think? Would you accept a trade of David Lee for Bledsoe?

The question is, why would GS max out bledsoe?? Their guard tandem is set and theyre going to need to break the bank in a few years to keep Curry and Klay. The Bledsoe problem isnt a trade problem, it's a salary demand problem.

I agree, I don't see why GS does that trade. Pay Bledsoe more than Curry? But why?

It might have made sense if they had traded Klay for Love, and somehow retained Lee.