Game 21: Phoenix Suns (8-12) @ Memphis Grizzlies (11-9)

[KLEON]

I am thinking that we have a good team for someone like Thibodau. We have great individual defenders ( Bledsoe, Tucker and Chandler) but the team is bad defensively...and that is probably because of the system. With Thibodau our system would be better and his passion/energy in the game is something that I wanted in Hornacek, but he is really passive and quiet.

He is wayyy more experienced than Hornacek and his connection with McDonough can be decisive to have him here...we will see in the next few weeks if they try something like that.

Price should be the first name on that list

[bwgood77]

I am thinking that we have a good team for someone like Thibodau. We have great individual defenders ( Bledsoe, Tucker and Chandler) but the team is bad defensively...and that is probably because of the system. With Thibodau our system would be better and his passion/energy in the game is something that I wanted in Hornacek, but he is really passive and quiet.

He is wayyy more experienced than Hornacek and his connection with McDonough can be decisive to have him here...we will see in the next few weeks if they try something like that.

Price should be the first name on that list

That would be part of the problem with Thibs. If he was coach, Booker and Warren would see ZERO minutes and Price and Tucker would see a ton. You think it is bad now, with Thibs it would be awful. He won't play guys that are not good defenders.

[KLEON]

I am thinking that we have a good team for someone like Thibodau. We have great individual defenders ( Bledsoe, Tucker and Chandler) but the team is bad defensively...and that is probably because of the system. With Thibodau our system would be better and his passion/energy in the game is something that I wanted in Hornacek, but he is really passive and quiet.

He is wayyy more experienced than Hornacek and his connection with McDonough can be decisive to have him here...we will see in the next few weeks if they try something like that.

Price should be the first name on that list

That would be part of the problem with Thibs. If he was coach, Booker and Warren would see ZERO minutes and Price and Tucker would see a ton. You think it is bad now, with Thibs it would be awful. He won't play guys that are not good defenders.

OH no I don't want Thibs here.I wouldn't mind D'Antoni

[PackSuns]

I am thinking that we have a good team for someone like Thibodau. We have great individual defenders ( Bledsoe, Tucker and Chandler) but the team is bad defensively...and that is probably because of the system. With Thibodau our system would be better and his passion/energy in the game is something that I wanted in Hornacek, but he is really passive and quiet.

He is wayyy more experienced than Hornacek and his connection with McDonough can be decisive to have him here...we will see in the next few weeks if they try something like that.

Not sure if I'm watching the same team. Great individual defenders? Haven't seen em. Tyson plays good D. He understands Team defense. Our guards get lit up when it matters most. PJ hustles but if you think he is a great individual defender I recommend watching the games twice like I do and focus on him. Go Suns!!

[bwgood77]

Price should be the first name on that list

That would be part of the problem with Thibs. If he was coach, Booker and Warren would see ZERO minutes and Price and Tucker would see a ton. You think it is bad now, with Thibs it would be awful. He won't play guys that are not good defenders.

OH no I don't want Thibs here.I wouldn't mind D'Antoni

I would like D'Antoni ok, though it would be interesting because in some respects, both of our guards are like Marbury, who he hated. I'm just not sure how easy it is to change habits of players, but if they just passed even a LITTLE more and SHOT a little less, I think the team would be quite a bit better.

[PackSuns]

I am thinking that we have a good team for someone like Thibodau. We have great individual defenders ( Bledsoe, Tucker and Chandler) but the team is bad defensively...and that is probably because of the system. With Thibodau our system would be better and his passion/energy in the game is something that I wanted in Hornacek, but he is really passive and quiet.

He is wayyy more experienced than Hornacek and his connection with McDonough can be decisive to have him here...we will see in the next few weeks if they try something like that.

Price should be the first name on that list

That would be part of the problem with Thibs. If he was coach, Booker and Warren would see ZERO minutes and Price and Tucker would see a ton. You think it is bad now, with Thibs it would be awful. He won't play guys that are not good defenders.

I would love if Thibs was our coach. I think you are mistaken because he would play TJ.

[NaturalBuns]

i'm not on the blame Knight train at all. he gives us a lot more than he makes in mistakes.

remember - Knight's only 23 years old. Alex Len is 22.....think about that. Archie is 21. as far as mistakes go, Knight should have some room to breathe. 2 whole years 'til the beginning of his prime

Yep he is only 23 and two team have already traded him. Maybe they saw something they didn't like.

Yet we give him $ 70 Mil

Wow

So what are your thoughts on McD's decisions other than draft picks over the last two years and how do you think they have impacted the team?

The Bledsoe trade was a steal.
As well as the scola trade.
Gortat trade was also fair and good value.

Most people were on board with the IT signing at the current time. It ended up leading to dragic departure though. It was considered a steal of a signing 20ppg guy.

What he did with the lakers pick though terrible. Also the chandler signing should of never happened unless LA commited it's wasted cap IMO. Regardless of the vet leadership.

He did swing for the fence on Lebron & LA.
So I know he's trying to win. The markieff/Marcus signing was also another steal move he did.

letting frye go might of been a mistake maybe the 3 pg system would of worked with a real stretch 4. Idk

[bwgood77]

Price should be the first name on that list

That would be part of the problem with Thibs. If he was coach, Booker and Warren would see ZERO minutes and Price and Tucker would see a ton. You think it is bad now, with Thibs it would be awful. He won't play guys that are not good defenders.

I would love if Thibs was our coach. I think you are mistaken because he would play TJ.

It just occurred to me that you are probably even a bigger TJ fan than most because of he went to NC St. But I disagree. He will not play guys until they play D. I think he would have even a bigger discrepancy in minutes between PJ and TJ...he would love PJ. He got run out for the same reasons people want Horny run out, and not getting along with front office.

If we get a new coach, we need a young innovative coach and/or someone who is just great at changing habits of players, as hard as that is.

And as bad as our week has been as Suns fans with like 4 brutal losses....and at least two of them were about the worst way possible...they still don't measure up to that Lions loss on Thursday, so I am very sorry for your week of sports. This had to be the most depressing week of sports in your life.

[RunDogGun]

There is no way we are going back to Mr Pringles. First off, we don't have a point guard to run the team like Mike needs. Second, he walked away like a little bitch, and said he was taking his ball and leaving.

We need our team to play less selfishly. They need to run footage of the other night in Detroit from the third quarter before we lost the lead. They need to move better on offense, with cuts and slashing, make smart passes, and take open shots. We need two guys crashing the boards at all times. On defense, we've seen this team play great defense, so they know how to do it. They have to do it the whole game. If anyone takes a play off, they sit. Coach needs to start coaching wisely, make better subbings and run plays for the hot hand. There should be five plays for each guy who can get hot, and in a rhythm passing to keep the hot hand on fire.

Jeff can do this, but for some reason he often seems as disinterested as the players. If this keeps up, then yes, fire him. But for the love of all that is holy, don't go back Mr zero in game adjustments.

[PackSuns]

That would be part of the problem with Thibs. If he was coach, Booker and Warren would see ZERO minutes and Price and Tucker would see a ton. You think it is bad now, with Thibs it would be awful. He won't play guys that are not good defenders.

I would love if Thibs was our coach. I think you are mistaken because he would play TJ.

It just occurred to me that you are probably even a bigger TJ fan than most because of he went to NC St. But I disagree. He will not play guys until they play D. I think he would have even a bigger discrepancy in minutes between PJ and TJ...he would love PJ. He got run out for the same reasons people want Horny run out, and not getting along with front office.

If we get a new coach, we need a young innovative coach and/or someone who is just great at changing habits of players, as hard as that is.

And as bad as our week has been as Suns fans with like 4 brutal losses....and at least two of them were about the worst way possible...they still don't measure up to that Lions loss on Thursday, so I am very sorry for your week of sports. This had to be the most depressing week of sports in your life.

My reasoning is that Thibs is a lifelong COACH. His MO is making TEAMS play better Defense even going back to his assistant days. He is a teacher. TJ has all the tools to become a very good defender. His "deficiencies " are over stated on this board. I haven't seen every game this year but as I have stated I watch each game twice. I do this with almost every Bball game I watch. Getting Tyson back will get us over the hump. I truly believe that.

Young players these days are not taught defense like they were 20 or even 15 yrs ago. AAU and traveling teams have ruined the amateur sport. I follow the circuit very closely. We see it in today's NBA especially when players are not receiving ample playing time. Player A gets in the game and shoots everytime they touch it to get "theirs" sound familiar? This happens in the NBA still. I have a background in playing, coaching, and stat tabulation for scouting purposes.

I am going to take a trip to the desert sometime soon so I can see our guys in person

I am a big TJ fan but I think I am being unbiased. Go Suns!!

[bwgood77]

My reasoning is that Thibs is a lifelong COACH. His MO is making TEAMS play better Defense even going back to his assistant days. He is a teacher. TJ has all the tools to become a very good defender. His "deficiencies " are over stated on this board. I haven't seen every game this year but as I have stated I watch each game twice. I do this with almost every Bball game I watch. Getting Tyson back will get us over the hump. I truly believe that.

Young players these days are not taught defense like they were 20 or even 15 yrs ago. AAU and traveling teams have ruined the amateur sport. I follow the circuit very closely. We see it in today's NBA especially when players are not receiving ample playing time. Player A gets in the game and shoots everytime they touch it to get "theirs" sound familiar? This happens in the NBA still. I have a background in playing, coaching, and stat tabulation for scouting purposes.

I am going to take a trip to the desert sometime soon so I can see our guys in person

I am a big TJ fan but I think I am being unbiased. Go Suns!!

Solid response. It's nice to see one every once in a blue moon.

[NaturalBuns]

He also gave up on the Morris twins to fast.
Yeah they ***** up but so have other players in the past. I mean back in 2013 they showed up to the freaking summer league.... They showed commitment to this team. They signed a deal together to show commitment to stay in PHX. I know it's a different sport but NFL players go through this all the time and if they get help they change it around.

If markieff and Marcus were both still on this roster you'd definitely see more wins right now because markieff wouldn't look like he wouldn't want to be here he would be productive and Marcus would be solid.

The only thing is if Marcus was here would Jeff play warren over PJ? Doubt it. That's a whole other issue though

[bwgood77]

He also gave up on the Morris twins to fast.
Yeah they ***** up but so have other players in the past. I mean back in 2013 they showed up to the freaking summer league.... They showed commitment to this team. They signed a deal together to show commitment to stay in PHX. I know it's a different sport but NFL players go through this all the time and if they get help they change it around.

If markieff and Marcus were both still on this roster you'd definitely see more wins right now because markieff wouldn't look like he wouldn't want to be here he would be productive and Marcus would be solid.

The only thing is if Marcus was here would Jeff play warren over PJ? Doubt it. That's a whole other issue though

I was thinking about that earlier. What if we would have just kept him and rolled with him at the 3? I'm sure we would see more issues, and I would be concerned about letsgosuns mental health so I'm not sure that would be the best thing, but it might have worked out better, at least for now. Hopefully Warren becomes our 3 of the future though.

[PackSuns]

My reasoning is that Thibs is a lifelong COACH. His MO is making TEAMS play better Defense even going back to his assistant days. He is a teacher. TJ has all the tools to become a very good defender. His "deficiencies " are over stated on this board. I haven't seen every game this year but as I have stated I watch each game twice. I do this with almost every Bball game I watch. Getting Tyson back will get us over the hump. I truly believe that.

Young players these days are not taught defense like they were 20 or even 15 yrs ago. AAU and traveling teams have ruined the amateur sport. I follow the circuit very closely. We see it in today's NBA especially when players are not receiving ample playing time. Player A gets in the game and shoots everytime they touch it to get "theirs" sound familiar? This happens in the NBA still. I have a background in playing, coaching, and stat tabulation for scouting purposes.

I am going to take a trip to the desert sometime soon so I can see our guys in person

I am a big TJ fan but I think I am being unbiased. Go Suns!!

Solid response. It's nice to see one every once in a blue moon.

Thanks! I am a loyal fan. Lions game crushed me. Life would be so much easier if I started rooting for Golden State, The Pats, and the Yankees. That will never happen.

[KLEON]

He also gave up on the Morris twins to fast.
Yeah they ***** up but so have other players in the past. I mean back in 2013 they showed up to the freaking summer league.... They showed commitment to this team. They signed a deal together to show commitment to stay in PHX. I know it's a different sport but NFL players go through this all the time and if they get help they change it around.

If markieff and Marcus were both still on this roster you'd definitely see more wins right now because markieff wouldn't look like he wouldn't want to be here he would be productive and Marcus would be solid.

The only thing is if Marcus was here would Jeff play warren over PJ? Doubt it. That's a whole other issue though

Maybe if he wasn't so hotheaded and indiscipline maybe he would still be here

[NaturalBuns]

He also gave up on the Morris twins to fast.
Yeah they ***** up but so have other players in the past. I mean back in 2013 they showed up to the freaking summer league.... They showed commitment to this team. They signed a deal together to show commitment to stay in PHX. I know it's a different sport but NFL players go through this all the time and if they get help they change it around.

If markieff and Marcus were both still on this roster you'd definitely see more wins right now because markieff wouldn't look like he wouldn't want to be here he would be productive and Marcus would be solid.

The only thing is if Marcus was here would Jeff play warren over PJ? Doubt it. That's a whole other issue though

Maybe if he wasn't so hotheaded and indiscipline maybe he would still be here

That just shows lack of commitment from a Suns organization IMO. He's doing fine in Detroit and the move has set us basically back two players now just not one.

[Revived]

It's getting harder and harder to care.

I think many people predicted this months before the season even started. That's why it was surprising to see them retain this same coaching staff and also not enough upgrades for the roster.

All I can say is LMA must be thanking god every single day for showing them the right way and staying away from this garbage and instead going to the Spurs where their again one of the best teams in the league and #1 in the NBA in defense.

[Revived]

Only Robert Sarver can be content with a team performing at this level.

Grow some damn balls and fire the idiots you hired as GM and HC and then get rid of the idiot players on the team as well.

[KLEON]

It's getting harder and harder to care.

I think many people predicted this months before the season even started. That's why it was surprising to see them retain this same coaching staff and also not enough upgrades for the roster.

All I can say is LMA must be thanking god every single day for showing them the right way and staying away from this garbage and instead going to the Spurs where their again one of the best teams in the league and #1 in the NBA in defense.

Come on,If LMA was here we wouldn't be having this discussion

[Revived]

Make this into a sig format and this should be all our sig for remainder of the season.