Game 24: Blazers (9-14) @ Suns (10-13)

[Saberestar]

Oladipo is at another level. No way he can be compared to Goodwin.

[Damkac]

So Suns aren't a Blazers Killers anymore?

[thamadkant]

You would take Lillard over Bled? Lol Lillard is trash. He is Jamal Crawford-type player.

Lol. No he isnt.
Bledsoe and Lillard are on the same level but Bledsoe is a better defender. Lillard is a better scorer.
Lillard has led the Blazers to a better record so far with lesser players.

Saying he is a Jamal Crawford-ish player is rubbish hate propaganda.

Bring that to the General forum and get a discussion going. Lillard's efficiency can improve with a better casts for sure.

[AtheJ415]

The Suns are facing a 2003 Marbury/Hardaway situation all over again. A selfish player (Marbury) and a fading star (Hardaway) holding back very talented players in Amare, Marion, and Johnson.

Fast forward to 2015 and you have two guys (Bledsoe and Knight), holding back the talent of Len, Warren, and Booker. Watching Bledsoe and Knight is like watching Marbury all over again except at least Marbury had star talent. Bledsoe and Knight are incredibly selfish and think they are Allen Iverson. Both have low IQ's, are turnover prone, have poor ball handling skills, are not good shooters, try to be the hero yet constantly screw up, and neither makes anyone around them better. The mark of a true superstar is making players around you better. Bledsoe and Knight make players around them worse.

I hate the way this team is built. I HATE IT. I stopped posting because I was getting quoted by everyone and everyone was insulting me. Well guess what, now nearly everyone wants Markieff gone, they want Hornacek fired, and they want one of Bledsoe, Knight, or both traded. So many people are now saying what I said all offseason yet was heavily criticized for. I told you guys this was not complicated. You do not win with a dual point guard lineup, especially not with selfish ones. Bledsoe, Knight, Thomas, and Dragic are score first guards. The Suns went in the opposite direction of Nash and there was no need for it. I would take Ish Smith over all four of the guys I just mentioned. At least I know Smith will pass the ball. Sarver needs to clean house and do what Ken Kendrick did and hire a proven winner like Tony La Russa to undo all the terrible moves from the past five years.

There's just nothing in this I agree with whatsoever. Who of our team is a fading star? The 23 year old Knight? The 26 year old Bledsoe? Both of whom have improved this year on their career averages almost across the board?

Also, if you think Marbury has more raw talent/tools then Bledsoe I think you need your eyes checked.

Eric Bledsoe was near the top of the league in true shooting percentage for much of this season. He's shooting 46% from the field and 38% from 3. Knight is literally one of the best young shooters in the game. He's a career 36% from 3 guy. Yes, he's streaky as hell, but to say either aren't good shooters is to just ignore their shooting statistics.

[AtheJ415]

The Suns are facing a 2003 Marbury/Hardaway situation all over again. A selfish player (Marbury) and a fading star (Hardaway) holding back very talented players in Amare, Marion, and Johnson.

Fast forward to 2015 and you have two guys (Bledsoe and Knight), holding back the talent of Len, Warren, and Booker. Watching Bledsoe and Knight is like watching Marbury all over again except at least Marbury had star talent. Bledsoe and Knight are incredibly selfish and think they are Allen Iverson. Both have low IQ's, are turnover prone, have poor ball handling skills, are not good shooters, try to be the hero yet constantly screw up, and neither makes anyone around them better. The mark of a true superstar is making players around you better. Bledsoe and Knight make players around them worse.

I hate the way this team is built. I HATE IT. I stopped posting because I was getting quoted by everyone and everyone was insulting me. Well guess what, now nearly everyone wants Markieff gone, they want Hornacek fired, and they want one of Bledsoe, Knight, or both traded. So many people are now saying what I said all offseason yet was heavily criticized for. I told you guys this was not complicated. You do not win with a dual point guard lineup, especially not with selfish ones. Bledsoe, Knight, Thomas, and Dragic are score first guards. The Suns went in the opposite direction of Nash and there was no need for it. I would take Ish Smith over all four of the guys I just mentioned. At least I know Smith will pass the ball. Sarver needs to clean house and do what Ken Kendrick did and hire a proven winner like Tony La Russa to undo all the terrible moves from the past five years.

You deserves recognition because a lot of things have been like you said two or three months ago.

But I do not think it is ALL bad. We are not that away from being a playoff team, but we need to make some changes.

If we trade Knight for someone like Oladipo ( SG two way player ) and Markieff for ...whoever or picks, we would have a good roster with a ton of weapons and future.

I have said this other times...I would trade for someone like Ricky Rubio if we want to change our system. He would make Booker, Warren and Len REALLY good players.

IDK what to do with Hornacek...I prefer to fire him and put Watson or Gaines for the rest of the season.

Why Rubio? He's arguably the worst shooter in NBA history. I get he can pass, but he kills all spacing. We saw what happened to Rondo when he was no longer surrounded by 3 first ballot hall of famers.

[ATTL]

So at Fry's but I can't find the effen vodka anywhere

[TeamTragic]

Oladipo is at another level. No way he can be compared to Goodwin.

Who compared Goodwin to Oladipo? Come on now

[JohnWall2]

The Suns are facing a 2003 Marbury/Hardaway situation all over again. A selfish player (Marbury) and a fading star (Hardaway) holding back very talented players in Amare, Marion, and Johnson.

Fast forward to 2015 and you have two guys (Bledsoe and Knight), holding back the talent of Len, Warren, and Booker. Watching Bledsoe and Knight is like watching Marbury all over again except at least Marbury had star talent. Bledsoe and Knight are incredibly selfish and think they are Allen Iverson. Both have low IQ's, are turnover prone, have poor ball handling skills, are not good shooters, try to be the hero yet constantly screw up, and neither makes anyone around them better. The mark of a true superstar is making players around you better. Bledsoe and Knight make players around them worse.

I hate the way this team is built. I HATE IT. I stopped posting because I was getting quoted by everyone and everyone was insulting me. Well guess what, now nearly everyone wants Markieff gone, they want Hornacek fired, and they want one of Bledsoe, Knight, or both traded. So many people are now saying what I said all offseason yet was heavily criticized for. I told you guys this was not complicated. You do not win with a dual point guard lineup, especially not with selfish ones. Bledsoe, Knight, Thomas, and Dragic are score first guards. The Suns went in the opposite direction of Nash and there was no need for it. I would take Ish Smith over all four of the guys I just mentioned. At least I know Smith will pass the ball. Sarver needs to clean house and do what Ken Kendrick did and hire a proven winner like Tony La Russa to undo all the terrible moves from the past five years.

You deserves recognition because a lot of things have been like you said two or three months ago.

But I do not think it is ALL bad. We are not that away from being a playoff team, but we need to make some changes.

If we trade Knight for someone like Oladipo ( SG two way player ) and Markieff for ...whoever or picks, we would have a good roster with a ton of weapons and future.

I have said this other times...I would trade for someone like Ricky Rubio if we want to change our system. He would make Booker, Warren and Len REALLY good players.

IDK what to do with Hornacek...I prefer to fire him and put Watson or Gaines for the rest of the season.

Just a dumb question. What is the main difference between Oladipo and Archie? Both are amazingly athletic. Both are very fast. Both are good defenders (Dipo is probably better), both are poor shooters.

Can't see why we bring in Oladipo when we already have Archie who can't get PT because of his shooting.

You're kidding? Aren't you the guy who said you wouldn't trade Goodwin for George in the off season??

[jcsunsfan]

Oladipo is at another level. No way he can be compared to Goodwin.

Who compared Goodwin to Oladipo? Come on now

Mea culpa.

[jcsunsfan]

You deserves recognition because a lot of things have been like you said two or three months ago.

But I do not think it is ALL bad. We are not that away from being a playoff team, but we need to make some changes.

If we trade Knight for someone like Oladipo ( SG two way player ) and Markieff for ...whoever or picks, we would have a good roster with a ton of weapons and future.

I have said this other times...I would trade for someone like Ricky Rubio if we want to change our system. He would make Booker, Warren and Len REALLY good players.

IDK what to do with Hornacek...I prefer to fire him and put Watson or Gaines for the rest of the season.

Just a dumb question. What is the main difference between Oladipo and Archie? Both are amazingly athletic. Both are very fast. Both are good defenders (Dipo is probably better), both are poor shooters.

Can't see why we bring in Oladipo when we already have Archie who can't get PT because of his shooting.

You're kidding? Aren't you the guy who said you wouldn't trade Goodwin for George in the off season??

Ha!. I wasn't sure about trading the farm for George, but I have no particular attachment to Goodwin. So, no, I would have never said I wouldn't trade Goodwin for George. I would be fine seeing Goodwin go in a trade. I am just not all that fired up about Oladipo. His main weakness is his shooting, which seems to be the main thing in today's NBA. I must admit. I was a huge Oladipo fan in that draft though. I just thought he was going to be a better shooter.

[Grots]

Getting Oladipo would make Bledsoe worse. He can't shoot so Bled (and the rest of the team's) spacing will get a lot worse. IMO Knight's great shooting is a big part of why Bledsoe is shooting and playing better this year. He has more space to operate. Knight's a very good complement complement to him.

[JMac1]

Getting Oladipo would make Bledsoe worse. He can't shoot so Bled (and the rest of the team's) spacing will get a lot worse. IMO Knight's great shooting is a big part of why Bledsoe is shooting and playing better this year. He has more space to operate. Knight's a very good complement complement to him.

Simple.....don't have to trade Knight right away,bring him off of the bench. Booker wold be perfect next to Bledsoe.....perfect! Knight can come off of the bench and fire away.

Bledsoe
Booker
PJ
Leuer
Len

Knight
Warren
Telly

off of the bench.... It is so simple it is ridiculous it isn't happening..........because of Hornasucks!!

[JohnWall2]

Just a dumb question. What is the main difference between Oladipo and Archie? Both are amazingly athletic. Both are very fast. Both are good defenders (Dipo is probably better), both are poor shooters.

Can't see why we bring in Oladipo when we already have Archie who can't get PT because of his shooting.

You're kidding? Aren't you the guy who said you wouldn't trade Goodwin for George in the off season??

Ha!. I wasn't sure about trading the farm for George, but I have no particular attachment to Goodwin. So, no, I would have never said I wouldn't trade Goodwin for George. I would be fine seeing Goodwin go in a trade. I am just not all that fired up about Oladipo. His main weakness is his shooting, which seems to be the main thing in today's NBA. I must admit. I was a huge Oladipo fan in that draft though. I just thought he was going to be a better shooter.

Yeah, I do like Dipo as a player but you're right his shooting is not good so he's not going to be a great fit here anyway beside Bled. Dipo needs to play next to a strong shooter ideally and I guess that's why he's been benched as Payton is hardly a great fit offensively.

I'm guessing you would be happy to give up a few more assets now for George? Not that Indy will move him now!

[letsgosuns]

The Suns are facing a 2003 Marbury/Hardaway situation all over again. A selfish player (Marbury) and a fading star (Hardaway) holding back very talented players in Amare, Marion, and Johnson.

Fast forward to 2015 and you have two guys (Bledsoe and Knight), holding back the talent of Len, Warren, and Booker. Watching Bledsoe and Knight is like watching Marbury all over again except at least Marbury had star talent. Bledsoe and Knight are incredibly selfish and think they are Allen Iverson. Both have low IQ's, are turnover prone, have poor ball handling skills, are not good shooters, try to be the hero yet constantly screw up, and neither makes anyone around them better. The mark of a true superstar is making players around you better. Bledsoe and Knight make players around them worse.

I hate the way this team is built. I HATE IT. I stopped posting because I was getting quoted by everyone and everyone was insulting me. Well guess what, now nearly everyone wants Markieff gone, they want Hornacek fired, and they want one of Bledsoe, Knight, or both traded. So many people are now saying what I said all offseason yet was heavily criticized for. I told you guys this was not complicated. You do not win with a dual point guard lineup, especially not with selfish ones. Bledsoe, Knight, Thomas, and Dragic are score first guards. The Suns went in the opposite direction of Nash and there was no need for it. I would take Ish Smith over all four of the guys I just mentioned. At least I know Smith will pass the ball. Sarver needs to clean house and do what Ken Kendrick did and hire a proven winner like Tony La Russa to undo all the terrible moves from the past five years.

There's just nothing in this I agree with whatsoever. Who of our team is a fading star? The 23 year old Knight? The 26 year old Bledsoe? Both of whom have improved this year on their career averages almost across the board?

Also, if you think Marbury has more raw talent/tools then Bledsoe I think you need your eyes checked.

Eric Bledsoe was near the top of the league in true shooting percentage for much of this season. He's shooting 46% from the field and 38% from 3. Knight is literally one of the best young shooters in the game. He's a career 36% from 3 guy. Yes, he's streaky as hell, but to say either aren't good shooters is to just ignore their shooting statistics.

Neither is a fading star. It is the situation I am talking about. They are both like Marbury. They both hold back the development of the Suns young players. They are ball hogs and play hero ball every single game. If you cannot see that then Idk what to tell you.

And I need my eyes checked because I said Marbury was better than Bledsoe? What? Okay here are some basic stats for Marbury's career and Bledsoe's career so far:

Marbury's career numbers: 19 ppg, 8 ast, 3 rbs, 43% fg, 33% 3 pts
Bledsoe's career numbers: 12 pgg, 4 ast, 4 rbs, 45% fg, 33% 3 pts

Marbury's numbers for his first six years in the league: 20 pts, 8 ast, 3 rbs, 43% fg, 32% 3 pts
Bledsoe's numbers for his first six years in the league: 12 pgg, 4 ast, 4 rbs, 45% fg, 33% 3 pts (same as his career numbers obviously)

Bledsoe became a starter when he was traded to the Suns prior to his fourth season so I will compare his fourth, fifth, and sixth years to Marbury's fourth, fifth, and sixth years.

Marbury's numbers for years 4,5, and 6: 22 ppg, 8 ast, 3 rbs, 44% fg, 30% 3 pts
Bledsoe's numbers for years 4,5, and 6: 18 ppg, 6 ast, 5 rbs, 46% fg, 35% 3 pts

Marbury scored more and had more assists. The things Bledsoe has on Marbury are rebounds, a slightly higher shooting percentage overall, and a better 3 point percentage. Now the Suns are only a little over a quarter into Bledsoe's sixth season so his numbers may change. Anyway, you can look at Marbury's game logs. During his first years in the league he had multiple 40 point games and even a 50 point game. You think Bledsoe is capable of scoring 50 points? Maybe he is but he has never even had a 40 point game if I remember correctly. Marbury was also 1st team All-Rookie and 3rd team All-NBA twice. He made two all star games during a time with lots of great guards in the league.

Now you can say Marbury's and Bledsoe's stats are comparable but to say I need my eyes checked is ridiculous when Marbury statistically is clearly the better player. But guess what. Everything I just said proves my point exactly. They play so similarly and the Suns went nowhere with Marbury and they have gone nowhere with Bledsoe. They have actually gotten worse two straight years with Bledsoe. Now how is that possible? Hornacek said this is the most talented team by far he has had since he was made coach yet they are tied for the ninth worst record in basketball 24 games into their season.

In the 2003-04 season, the Suns traded Marbury and Hardaway and set Amare, Marion, and Johnson free. Then they signed a pass first point guard in Nash and the rest is history. Do I think the current young Suns players are anywhere near being a Steve Nash type player away from becoming a contender? Not at all. But I absolutely believe that Bledsoe and Knight are detrimental to the development of Len, Warren, and Booker, just like Marbury and Hardaway were to Amare, Marion, and Johnson. Hence why this is the same situation in my eyes. Bledsoe and Knight hogging the ball all the time while the other players languish in the offense.

[AtheJ415]

The Suns are facing a 2003 Marbury/Hardaway situation all over again. A selfish player (Marbury) and a fading star (Hardaway) holding back very talented players in Amare, Marion, and Johnson.

Fast forward to 2015 and you have two guys (Bledsoe and Knight), holding back the talent of Len, Warren, and Booker. Watching Bledsoe and Knight is like watching Marbury all over again except at least Marbury had star talent. Bledsoe and Knight are incredibly selfish and think they are Allen Iverson. Both have low IQ's, are turnover prone, have poor ball handling skills, are not good shooters, try to be the hero yet constantly screw up, and neither makes anyone around them better. The mark of a true superstar is making players around you better. Bledsoe and Knight make players around them worse.

I hate the way this team is built. I HATE IT. I stopped posting because I was getting quoted by everyone and everyone was insulting me. Well guess what, now nearly everyone wants Markieff gone, they want Hornacek fired, and they want one of Bledsoe, Knight, or both traded. So many people are now saying what I said all offseason yet was heavily criticized for. I told you guys this was not complicated. You do not win with a dual point guard lineup, especially not with selfish ones. Bledsoe, Knight, Thomas, and Dragic are score first guards. The Suns went in the opposite direction of Nash and there was no need for it. I would take Ish Smith over all four of the guys I just mentioned. At least I know Smith will pass the ball. Sarver needs to clean house and do what Ken Kendrick did and hire a proven winner like Tony La Russa to undo all the terrible moves from the past five years.

There's just nothing in this I agree with whatsoever. Who of our team is a fading star? The 23 year old Knight? The 26 year old Bledsoe? Both of whom have improved this year on their career averages almost across the board?

Also, if you think Marbury has more raw talent/tools then Bledsoe I think you need your eyes checked.

Eric Bledsoe was near the top of the league in true shooting percentage for much of this season. He's shooting 46% from the field and 38% from 3. Knight is literally one of the best young shooters in the game. He's a career 36% from 3 guy. Yes, he's streaky as hell, but to say either aren't good shooters is to just ignore their shooting statistics.

Neither is a fading star. It is the situation I am talking about. They are both like Marbury. They both hold back the development of the Suns young players. They are ball hogs and play hero ball every single game. If you cannot see that then Idk what to tell you.

And I need my eyes checked because I said Marbury was better than Bledsoe? What? Okay here are some basic stats for Marbury's career and Bledsoe's career so far:

Marbury's career numbers: 19 ppg, 8 ast, 3 rbs, 43% fg, 33% 3 pts
Bledsoe's career numbers: 12 pgg, 4 ast, 4 rbs, 45% fg, 33% 3 pts

Marbury's numbers for his first six years in the league: 20 pts, 8 ast, 3 rbs, 43% fg, 32% 3 pts
Bledsoe's numbers for his first six years in the league: 12 pgg, 4 ast, 4 rbs, 45% fg, 33% 3 pts (same as his career numbers obviously)

Bledsoe became a starter when he was traded to the Suns prior to his fourth season so I will compare his fourth, fifth, and sixth years to Marbury's fourth, fifth, and sixth years.

Marbury's numbers for years 4,5, and 6: 22 ppg, 8 ast, 3 rbs, 44% fg, 30% 3 pts
Bledsoe's numbers for years 4,5, and 6: 18 ppg, 6 ast, 5 rbs, 46% fg, 35% 3 pts

Marbury scored more and had more assists. The things Bledsoe has on Marbury are rebounds, a slightly higher shooting percentage overall, and a better 3 point percentage. Now the Suns are only a little over a quarter into Bledsoe's sixth season so his numbers may change. Anyway, you can look at Marbury's game logs. During his first years in the league he had multiple 40 point games and even a 50 point game. You think Bledsoe is capable of scoring 50 points? Maybe he is but he has never even had a 40 point game if I remember correctly. Marbury was also 1st team All-Rookie and 3rd team All-NBA twice. He made two all star games during a time with lots of great guards in the league.

Now you can say Marbury's and Bledsoe's stats are comparable but to say I need my eyes checked is ridiculous when Marbury statistically is clearly the better player. But guess what. Everything I just said proves my point exactly. They play so similarly and the Suns went nowhere with Marbury and they have gone nowhere with Bledsoe. They have actually gotten worse two straight years with Bledsoe. Now how is that possible? Hornacek said this is the most talented team by far he has had since he was made coach yet they are tied for the ninth worst record in basketball 24 games into their season.

In the 2003-04 season, the Suns traded Marbury and Hardaway and set Amare, Marion, and Johnson free. Then they signed a pass first point guard in Nash and the rest is history. Do I think the current young Suns players are anywhere near being a Steve Nash type player away from becoming a contender? Not at all. But I absolutely believe that Bledsoe and Knight are detrimental to the development of Len, Warren, and Booker, just like Marbury and Hardaway were to Amare, Marion, and Johnson. Hence why this is the same situation in my eyes. Bledsoe and Knight hogging the ball all the time while the other players languish in the offense.

You need your eye checks because you said Marbury had more talent than Bledsoe. Talent and performance are 2 very different things. Bledsoe's raw talent is drastically better than Marbury's raw talent. You said one is more talented. It's a very different statement, and only indirectly tied to actual numbers on the court.

You also said 2 of the best shooters in the NBA this season aren't good shooters. I can somewhat understand it with Bledsoe because he wasn't a good shooter until this year, but Knight has always been a good shooter ever since high school.

I never said Bledsoe puts up better numbers than Marbury. I never brought up his numbers relative to Marbury at all. Marbury is one of the only players in NBA history to average 19 and 8 for their careers. As unselfish as you claim he is, that remains true.

What point guards, in your opinion, wouldn't hold back our young players who we should get?

[letsgosuns]

There's just nothing in this I agree with whatsoever. Who of our team is a fading star? The 23 year old Knight? The 26 year old Bledsoe? Both of whom have improved this year on their career averages almost across the board?

Also, if you think Marbury has more raw talent/tools then Bledsoe I think you need your eyes checked.

Eric Bledsoe was near the top of the league in true shooting percentage for much of this season. He's shooting 46% from the field and 38% from 3. Knight is literally one of the best young shooters in the game. He's a career 36% from 3 guy. Yes, he's streaky as hell, but to say either aren't good shooters is to just ignore their shooting statistics.

Neither is a fading star. It is the situation I am talking about. They are both like Marbury. They both hold back the development of the Suns young players. They are ball hogs and play hero ball every single game. If you cannot see that then Idk what to tell you.

And I need my eyes checked because I said Marbury was better than Bledsoe? What? Okay here are some basic stats for Marbury's career and Bledsoe's career so far:

Marbury's career numbers: 19 ppg, 8 ast, 3 rbs, 43% fg, 33% 3 pts
Bledsoe's career numbers: 12 pgg, 4 ast, 4 rbs, 45% fg, 33% 3 pts

Marbury's numbers for his first six years in the league: 20 pts, 8 ast, 3 rbs, 43% fg, 32% 3 pts
Bledsoe's numbers for his first six years in the league: 12 pgg, 4 ast, 4 rbs, 45% fg, 33% 3 pts (same as his career numbers obviously)

Bledsoe became a starter when he was traded to the Suns prior to his fourth season so I will compare his fourth, fifth, and sixth years to Marbury's fourth, fifth, and sixth years.

Marbury's numbers for years 4,5, and 6: 22 ppg, 8 ast, 3 rbs, 44% fg, 30% 3 pts
Bledsoe's numbers for years 4,5, and 6: 18 ppg, 6 ast, 5 rbs, 46% fg, 35% 3 pts

Marbury scored more and had more assists. The things Bledsoe has on Marbury are rebounds, a slightly higher shooting percentage overall, and a better 3 point percentage. Now the Suns are only a little over a quarter into Bledsoe's sixth season so his numbers may change. Anyway, you can look at Marbury's game logs. During his first years in the league he had multiple 40 point games and even a 50 point game. You think Bledsoe is capable of scoring 50 points? Maybe he is but he has never even had a 40 point game if I remember correctly. Marbury was also 1st team All-Rookie and 3rd team All-NBA twice. He made two all star games during a time with lots of great guards in the league.

Now you can say Marbury's and Bledsoe's stats are comparable but to say I need my eyes checked is ridiculous when Marbury statistically is clearly the better player. But guess what. Everything I just said proves my point exactly. They play so similarly and the Suns went nowhere with Marbury and they have gone nowhere with Bledsoe. They have actually gotten worse two straight years with Bledsoe. Now how is that possible? Hornacek said this is the most talented team by far he has had since he was made coach yet they are tied for the ninth worst record in basketball 24 games into their season.

In the 2003-04 season, the Suns traded Marbury and Hardaway and set Amare, Marion, and Johnson free. Then they signed a pass first point guard in Nash and the rest is history. Do I think the current young Suns players are anywhere near being a Steve Nash type player away from becoming a contender? Not at all. But I absolutely believe that Bledsoe and Knight are detrimental to the development of Len, Warren, and Booker, just like Marbury and Hardaway were to Amare, Marion, and Johnson. Hence why this is the same situation in my eyes. Bledsoe and Knight hogging the ball all the time while the other players languish in the offense.

You need your eye checks because you said Marbury had more talent than Bledsoe. Talent and performance are 2 very different things. Bledsoe's raw talent is drastically better than Marbury's raw talent. You said one is more talented. It's a very different statement.

You also said 2 of the best shooters in the NBA this season aren't good shooters. I can somewhat understand it with Bledsoe because he wasn't a good shooter until this year, but Knight has always been a good shooter ever since high school.

I never said Bledsoe puts up better numbers than Marbury. I never brought up his numbers relative to Marbury at all. Marbury is one of the only players in NBA history to average 19 and 8 for their careers. As unselfish as you claim he is, that remains true.

What point guards, in your opinion, wouldn't hold back our young players who we should get?

How can you say Bledsoe is more talented than Marbury? Seriously. Do you remember Marbury early in his career? His scoring talent was off the charts. He used to destroy people. I can understand if you think their talent is on the same level but to say I need my eyes checked because I disagree with you about this is pretty ridiculous. Look at this random ten game stretch from Marbury's 2000-01 season. November 3 through November 22 he averaged 30 pts, 8 ast, 5 rbs, 53% fg, and 42% 3 pts. That is for ten games. He had seven 30+ point games over that stretch including a 41 point game. Superstar numbers. And that is literally just some random stretch of games I looked at. Bledsoe surely has never had a stretch like that in his career.

Now I say they are not good shooters because they are inconsistent. They are streaky and have occasional great games which brings up their stats. Bledsoe is a career 45% fg and 33% 3pts. Knight is a career 42% fg and 36% 3 pts. Those are not good numbers in my opinion. Not for point guards who are your main scorers if you want to play championship basketball. Especially Knight's 42%. That is just not good.

As far as who I would get to replace them, I have no idea. The league is really screwed up right now. You only have four teams in my eyes that I believe can compete for a championship. Warriors, Spurs, Cavaliers, and maybe the Thunder. That is it. No one else. With that being said, I think the Suns should trade Bledsoe and Knight for young, unproven players. Then start Booker, Warren, and Len every game, and tank the season and go for the number one pick. This garbage form of basketball they play now is stagnant, boring, and unlikable. It is not winning basketball and it never will be. But that is just me. I doubt it will ever happen. This selfish dual point guard lineup is McDonough and Hornacek's doing and I doubt Suns management would ever do what I suggest and start over the right way instead of be a 9th seed every year.

[jcsunsfan]

Yikes. Half the teams in the league should be tanking then. Who wants to watch THAT nba?

At some point competitive integrity has to kick in. I understand a team that is one of the bottom three throwing in the towel and playing young talent. But that should really be about developing the talent, not the pick.

Tanking I the scale you are talking about would absolutely ruin the nba.


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[letsgosuns]

Yikes. Half the teams in the league should be tanking then. Who wants to watch THAT nba?

At some point competitive integrity has to kick in. I understand a team that is one of the bottom three throwing in the towel and playing young talent. But that should really be about developing the talent, not the pick.

Tanking I the scale you are talking about would absolutely ruin the nba.


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I did not say the entire league. Where are you getting that from? I said the Suns should tank. They have not made the playoffs for five straight years and this year has a good chance of being the sixth straight. Just because I said there are only four teams that have a realistic chance of winning the title this year does not mean I think non-contenders should tank. I am specifically mentioning the Suns because they are stuck in the worst possible place an NBA team can be in. Big contracts to non-stars. Flawed team make-up. Too good to get a high draft pick but too bad to make the playoffs.

[batsmasher]

I did not say the entire league. Where are you getting that from? I said the Suns should tank. They have not made the playoffs for five straight years and this year has a good chance of being the sixth straight. Just because I said there are only four teams that have a realistic chance of winning the title this year does not mean I think non-contenders should tank. I am specifically mentioning the Suns because they are stuck in the worst possible place an NBA team can be in. Big contracts to non-stars. Flawed team make-up. Too good to get a high draft pick but too bad to make the playoffs.

Wait, this argument sounds familiar. Is it 2014?



Just a reminder that we got this close to signing some scrub named LMA and becoming a serious contender in the West. Something must be working here.

[letsgosuns]

I did not say the entire league. Where are you getting that from? I said the Suns should tank. They have not made the playoffs for five straight years and this year has a good chance of being the sixth straight. Just because I said there are only four teams that have a realistic chance of winning the title this year does not mean I think non-contenders should tank. I am specifically mentioning the Suns because they are stuck in the worst possible place an NBA team can be in. Big contracts to non-stars. Flawed team make-up. Too good to get a high draft pick but too bad to make the playoffs.

Wait, this argument sounds familiar. Is it 2014?



Just a reminder that we got this close to signing some scrub named LMA and becoming a serious contender in the West. Something must be working here.

There is no way for me to respond to this. You are excited over the fact the Suns came in second place to signing LaMarcus Aldridge. This is probably why I get insulted constantly over and over again. Some of you guys are in such denial that you think the Suns are on the upswing and when I say this team is going nowhere you get offended. Everyone that is not a Suns homer sees the truth. So many true Suns fans I know stopped watching the games last year but I still watch at least.

I have a question for a lot of the posters on this board. How many of you guys live in Phoenix? Because in Phoenix, the general consensus is that this team sucks and people have no interest in it. All Phoenix sports fans care about right now is the other three major sports franchises. You can watch the local sports segments on the major networks and they might spend 15-20 seconds talking about the Suns after all the other sports have been discussed. As far as I am concerned, this season is wasted just like last year.

Now go on and tell me I am an idiot. I know nothing. Bledsoe and Knight are incredible players that will lead the Suns to a championship. They are amazing. Markieff has immense talent. He is almost as talented as Aldridge but is just missing his brother and is sad. Hornacek is a genius who gets the most out of his players. Tucker hustles more than any player in NBA history and deserves to play. The Suns current record is an aberration. This is a fifty win team. Last year's record was not indicative of the phenomenal talent on the team. They are ready to take the next step like the Thunder did when they drafted Harden. Tell me how wrong I am and that I am clueless and if I am so disappointed then ask me why I even watch the games.