Game 30: Phoenix Suns (12-17) @ Utah Jazz (11-14)

Post #261 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:37 am

Bledsoe with a staggering -36 and Kieff with a +10. I said it during the 2nd quarter but Kieff was playing well with Len. He assisted Len on Len's only two buckets, and Kieff had 4 assist which is relatively high for Kieff or any PF for that matter.

SunsRback4Good · Post #262 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:37 am

letsgosuns wrote:There are only five teams in the entire NBA that have more losses than the Suns. 30 games into the season and they are in the conversation for winning the draft lottery. I thought they would be bad but nowhere near this bad.

Ben Simmons here we come.

AtheJ415 · Post #263 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:40 am

Qwigglez wrote:Bledsoe with a staggering -36 and Kieff with a +10. I said it during the 2nd quarter but Kieff was playing well with Len. He assisted Len on Len's only two buckets, and Kieff had 4 assist which is relatively high for Kieff or any PF for that matter.

If Kieff wasn't such a gynormous jackass I'd be saying that should be our starting front court. There's something to be said for continuity, and those 2 had it last year. Kieff needs to be traded though imo. Even if he returns to form next to Len, I just cannot cheer for that dude after all of this.

LukasBMW · Post #264 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:45 am

We really suck.

This year has been a huge disappointment.

**** Santa Claus
**** Christmas
**** Starwars
and **** anything and everything that is giving anyone happiness right now.

Ain't no sunshine when the Suns don't shine.

Post #265 » by **batsmasher** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:49 am

10 assists combined for Bled and Knight over the last 2 games. Wall had 19 tonight.

dmhf

TeamTragic · Post #266 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:09 am

LukasBMW wrote:We really suck.

This year has been a huge disappointment.

**** Santa Claus
**** Christmas
**** Starwars
and **** anything and everything that is giving anyone happiness right now.

Ain't no sunshine when the Suns don't shine.

Seriously. Everyone is like Star Wars this and Star Wars that. I'm like why the **** hasn't Kieff been traded, why is Hornacek our coach, Knight is the most inconsistent player ever (paired with Bledsoe this is a nightmare) and god I hate Sarver if all he wants to do is climb into that "coveted" 8th seed where we will get dismantled by an average of 30 points (with a game 1 50 point loss) by the Warriors.

Just so that he can say that we "made the play-offs". I can just imagine him holding his fist like an idiot with a "nailed it" look on his face. I swear I'm taking crazy pills :lol:

SarcasticSun · Post #267 » by **SarcasticSun** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:48 am

GoranTragic wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:We really suck.

This year has been a huge disappointment.

**** Santa Claus
**** Christmas
**** Starwars
and **** anything and everything that is giving anyone happiness right now.

Ain't no sunshine when the Suns don't shine.

Seriously. Everyone is like Star Wars this and Star Wars that. I'm like why the **** hasn't Kieff been traded, why is Hornacek our coach, Knight is the most inconsistent player ever (paired with Bledsoe this is a nightmare) and god I hate Sarver if all he wants to do is climb into that "coveted" 8th seed where we will get dismantled by an average of 30 points (with a game 1 50 point loss) by the Warriors.

Just so that he can say that we "made the play-offs". I can just imagine him holding his fist like an idiot with a "nailed it" look on his face. I swear I'm taking crazy pills

I really do think it all comes down to Sarver. He himself admits he is impatient, and it is killing this team. That over achieving Dragic season really hurt us. We needed to tank, Sarver was embracing a proper rebuild..then Dragic happened. Honestly glad we sucked last year and were forced to trade Dragic. A Dragic/Bledsoe combo was not winning us a title anytime soon. We shouldn't have made the Knight trade though it seems and should have just blown it up and kept the Lakers pick.

However McD can't blow it up with an owner on his back itching to get his fix of playoffs, even if it's an 8 seed. So he needed to trade for Knight to give him a chance to keep his job, ditto for the Chandler signing/Aldrigde pursuit. When McD first showed up he was all talk about patience and building a team the right way, I don't think he changed his philosophy over a season, Sarver just forced his hand unfortunately.

AtheJ415 · Post #268 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:00 am

SarcasticSun wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:We really suck.

This year has been a huge disappointment.

**** Santa Claus
**** Christmas
**** Starwars
and **** anything and everything that is giving anyone happiness right now.

Ain't no sunshine when the Suns don't shine.

Seriously. Everyone is like Star Wars this and Star Wars that. I'm like why the **** hasn't Kieff been traded, why is Hornacek our coach, Knight is the most inconsistent player ever (paired with Bledsoe this is a nightmare) and god I hate Sarver if all he wants to do is climb into that "coveted" 8th seed where we will get dismantled by an average of 30 points (with a game 1 50 point loss) by the Warriors.

Just so that he can say that we "made the play-offs". I can just imagine him holding his fist like an idiot with a "nailed it" look on his face. I swear I'm taking crazy pills

I really do think it all comes down to Sarver. He himself admits he is impatient, and it is killing this team. That over achieving Dragic season really hurt us. We needed to tank, Sarver was embracing a proper rebuild..then Dragic happened. Honestly glad we sucked last year and were forced to trade Dragic. A Dragic/Bledsoe combo was not winning us a title anytime soon. We shouldn't have made the Knight trade though it seems and should have just blown it up and kept the Lakers pick.

However McD can't blow it up with an owner on his back itching to get his fix of playoffs, even if it's an 8 seed. So he needed to trade for Knight to give him a chance to keep his job, ditto for the Chandler signing/Aldrigde pursuit. When McD first showed up he was all talk about patience and building a team the right way, I don't think he changed his philosophy over a season, Sarver just forced his hand unfortunately.

I disagree with some of this. I don't like Sarver as much as the next guy. I hope he sells the team. That said, whether we would've been better off with the Laker pick is still TBD. For instance, in this draft, the 4th pick likely isn't going to yield you a player as good as Knight. Also, I think if that trade was the result of a forced hand, then we would've added a veteran who is better today than Knight, a 24 year old who fits the age window of our current team. I think every move we have made except for signing Chandler has been with an aim to get younger. The idea that McDonough was on the hot seat last season, and had to trade the Laker pick to keep his job is just a ton of assumptions that don't make sense imo.

Post #269 » by **batsmasher** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:20 am

It sort of clicked with me tonight why Horny's rotations fluctuate so much and are so inconsistent. It's because his players give him such inconsistent effort.

One of the only guys who actually gives consistent effort is PJ, yet he's declined so much from last year that even he can't get consistent minutes.

thamadkant · Post #270 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:14 am

batsmasher wrote:10 assists combined for Bled and Knight over the last 2 games. Wall had 19 tonight.

dmhf

Yup.

Kevin Johnson
Jason Kidd / Penny Hardaway
Heck Stephon Marbury
Steve Nash

Suns PG of the last 20 or so years were good assists guards (8+ assists)...

I thought Bledsoe would come close and put up 7+ assists a game, but teams are figuring his patterns and plays.... I mean... IF I could predict who will pass to after he drives... scouts and top tier coaches will also... they shut his lane and give him a glimpse of the ring and he tends to go for the points and forgets to setup team mates.... of course, this could all be Xs and Os from Hornacek's book...
But I just got spoilt by creative PGs who setup team mates that resulted to "pretty" basketball...

JohnWall2 · Post #271 » by **JohnWall2** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:23 am

batsmasher wrote:10 assists combined for Bled and Knight over the last 2 games. Wall had 19 tonight.

dmhf

People here preseason were saying they'd rather have Bledsoe over Wall which is just asinine. He'd have this offense humming way more effectively in terms of getting everyone involved.

AtheJ415 · Post #272 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:58 am

JohnWall2 wrote:
batsmasher wrote:10 assists combined for Bled and Knight over the last 2 games. Wall had 19 tonight.

dmhf

People here preseason were saying they'd rather have Bledsoe over Wall which is just asinine. He'd have this offense humming way more effectively in terms of getting everyone involved.

If we had Wall, people here would go absolutely insane over his 4.4 turnovers per game, declare him a PG who you can't win a title with because he can't drag this team to the playoffs singlehandedly, and demand he be traded until we get an unselfish PG like Kendall Marshall. I mean, if Bledsoe has an unquestionably low basketball IQ at 3.6 turnovers per game, then what would our board do with Wall?

AtheJ415 · Post #273 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:50 am

1UPZ wrote:
batsmasher wrote:10 assists combined for Bled and Knight over the last 2 games. Wall had 19 tonight.

dmhf

Yup.

Kevin Johnson
Jason Kidd / Penny Hardaway
Heck Stephon Marbury
Steve Nash

Suns PG of the last 20 or so years were good assists guards (8+ assists)...

I thought Bledsoe would come close and put up 7+ assists a game, but teams are figuring his patterns and plays.... I mean... IF I could predict who will pass to after he drives... scouts and top tier coaches will also... they shut his lane and give him a glimpse of the ring and he tends to go for the points and forgets to setup team mates.... of course, this could all be Xs and Os from Hornacek's book...
But I just got spoilt by creative PGs who setup team mates that resulted to "pretty" basketball...

Yup, and these are the only types of PG's you can win a title with according to many on here. Yet, none of those guys won one.

Post #274 » by **batsmasher** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:41 am

via BSoTS

Deadpoolio's (not so) Neat-o Stat of the Night (brought to you by basketball-reference.com)
Since 1985-86, no Suns team had ever played a game where they had 3 or fewer steals and zero blocks…until tonight.

Jdiddy701 · Post #275 » by **Jdiddy701** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:42 pm

batsmasher wrote:It sort of clicked with me tonight why Horny's rotations fluctuate so much and are so inconsistent. It's because his players give him such inconsistent effort.

One of the only guys who actually gives consistent effort is PJ, yet he's declined so much from last year that even he can't get consistent minutes.

But he does get consistent minutes... Unfortunately

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Sunsss · Post #276 » by **Sunsss** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:46 pm

batsmasher wrote:via BSoTS

Deadpoolio's (not so) Neat-o Stat of the Night (brought to you by basketball-reference.com)
Since 1985-86, no Suns team had ever played a game where they had 3 or fewer steals and zero blocks…until tonight.

Talk about inconsistency. This same Suns team was the first Suns team since 1999 that had at least 16 steals and 8 blocks against the Wolves just a week ago.

Steve Nashidis · Post #277 » by **Steve Nashidis** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:08 pm

The problem is simple and we all know that. Jeff Hornacek and his MarkiefTucker Company.
There is anarchy inside the team and no distinct roles .

1)Not a superstar or a star player to recruit or guide this team through tough nights.
2)We dont have veteran guys .Chandler + tucker cares about money
3)No Point Guard. Bledsoe or Knight cares about stats not team.
4)Young rookies without guide and plan ( for instance . Goodwin,Warren and Booker play without a plan )
5)We have unhappy players . (markieff)
6)We dont have a gameplan or scout . ( we win for 40 minutes and then loose a 20 points game lead)
7)We dont have a coach.

8) and last of all WE DONT HAVE A TRULLY GOOD PRESIDENT with personality and character .

Give me one NBA team that was finalist of conference finals ( one game away of NBA final ) and then for 5-6 consecutive plays cricket instead of basketball.
From 2000 i love Suns and watch all the games but the last years i cant stand this anymore. I prefer Cardinals rather than the suns with the transformation of Steve Nash : Caron Palmer .

Barkley_34 · Post #278 » by **Barkley_34** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:28 pm

Man, this team would be so much better with a PF scorer to give options to the guards pass. It's a shame this view that our guards are selfish ... they do not have for those who pass the ball! Yesterday at the start of the game Bledsoe gave the ball for Leuer alone 3 times! He did not hit anything! Unfortunately our players only ones with offensive potential in the post attack one is dissatisfied and the other has the worst hands NBA.

Post #279 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:38 pm

Barkley_34 wrote:Man, this team would be so much better with a PF scorer to give options to the guards pass. It's a shame this view that our guards are selfish ... they do not have for those who pass the ball! Yesterday at the start of the game Bledsoe gave the ball for Leuer alone 3 times! He did not hit anything! Unfortunately our players only ones with offensive potential in the post attack one is dissatisfied and the other has the worst hands NBA.

I wonder what our record would be right now if we had gotten Aldridge. The bad thing is that I don't know that anyone has trade value right now. The only way to get a decent player might be to cough up a pick, but that can't really be worth it at this point can it? At this point we cannot afford to sacrifice the future for now.

Revived · Post #280 » by **Revived** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:46 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Bledsoe with a staggering -36 and Kieff with a +10. I said it during the 2nd quarter but Kieff was playing well with Len. He assisted Len on Len's only two buckets, and Kieff had 4 assist which is relatively high for Kieff or any PF for that matter.

What a weird night when Kieff was actually one of the bright spots :lol: