Trade Deadline Countdown Pre-Febuary Deadline

[Saberestar]

Would you guys rather have the Knicks pick or a Caboclo/Wright? The Raps fans are saying Ujiri is high on Bruno but he's looked pretty...meh. Then again, he's only 20.

The Knicks pick. Potentially can be really good...right now is #12.

[rsavaj]

Bruno doesnt have a lot of value around the league, but the team really likes his potential. Most people believe the D-league team we got was 95% for Bruno's development. In a trade for Tucker/Morris, i dont think either Bruno/NY pick would be on the table. If it means no deal, then so be it, but those are 2 things Im pretty sure Masai wouldnt trade for that package

I really see no point in a Suns/Raps trade if that NY pick isn't coming to PHX.

Kieff is under contract for four years. No need to trade him.

Suns can easily get a 1st in the early 20s from an Eastern Conference team for PJ - just look at the work he did against Melo and Lebron last week.

Bruno has very little value. He's done absolutely nothing but generate posts on message boards about his potential.

This is hilarious. Seriously.

I can answer you?
No team would do this. And even for Morris (which may be worth a late first-round pick, which is also the one on which they will be discussing).

I really don't find it indispensable this trade, but seriously, the Suns are in a very bad position, and can't hope to get sensational offers. Not for a 30 year old and not for a talented player but very problematic.

Some picks may be involved, certainly, but not as good, no doubt.
I think the trade happens, and that will help both teams, but I would look elsewhere.

I'm inclined to agree with you. I have trouble seeing a team give up a first rounder for PJ Tucker

[SunsFanSSOL]

Would you guys rather have the Knicks pick or a Caboclo/Wright? The Raps fans are saying Ujiri is high on Bruno but he's looked pretty...meh. Then again, he's only 20.

The Knicks pick. Potentially can be really good...right now is #12.

But this draft is terrible.

[mademan]

Would you guys rather have the Knicks pick or a Caboclo/Wright? The Raps fans are saying Ujiri is high on Bruno but he's looked pretty...meh. Then again, he's only 20.

The Knicks pick. Potentially can be really good...right now is #12.

But this draft is terrible.

The last draft that was considered terrible (2011) had Klay Thompson go 10th, the morris twins right after and Kawhi Leonard at 14.

[Sunsdeuce]

Bruno doesnt have a lot of value around the league, but the team really likes his potential. Most people believe the D-league team we got was 95% for Bruno's development. In a trade for Tucker/Morris, i dont think either Bruno/NY pick would be on the table. If it means no deal, then so be it, but those are 2 things Im pretty sure Masai wouldnt trade for that package

I really see no point in a Suns/Raps trade if that NY pick isn't coming to PHX.

Kieff is under contract for four years. No need to trade him.

Suns can easily get a 1st in the early 20s from an Eastern Conference team for PJ - just look at the work he did against Melo and Lebron last week.

Bruno has very little value. He's done absolutely nothing but generate posts on message boards about his potential.

This is hilarious. Seriously.

I can answer you?
No team would do this. And even for Morris (which may be worth a late first-round pick, which is also the one on which they will be discussing).

I really don't find it indispensable this trade, but seriously, the Suns are in a very bad position, and can't hope to get sensational offers. Not for a 30 year old and not for a talented player but very problematic.

Some picks may be involved, certainly, but not as good, no doubt.
I think the trade happens, and that will help both teams, but I would look elsewhere.

Bro, hate to break it to you but a stand alone late first round draft pick gets you a decent role player in a trade. It basically gets you a PJ Tucker.

What your trying to say is you want the raptors to get a Porsche on a Kia budget. Not gonna happen my friend.

[Saberestar]

Bruno doesnt have a lot of value around the league, but the team really likes his potential. Most people believe the D-league team we got was 95% for Bruno's development. In a trade for Tucker/Morris, i dont think either Bruno/NY pick would be on the table. If it means no deal, then so be it, but those are 2 things Im pretty sure Masai wouldnt trade for that package

I really see no point in a Suns/Raps trade if that NY pick isn't coming to PHX.

Kieff is under contract for four years. No need to trade him.

Suns can easily get a 1st in the early 20s from an Eastern Conference team for PJ - just look at the work he did against Melo and Lebron last week.

Bruno has very little value. He's done absolutely nothing but generate posts on message boards about his potential.

This is hilarious. Seriously.

I can answer you?
No team would do this. And even for Morris (which may be worth a late first-round pick, which is also the one on which they will be discussing).

I really don't find it indispensable this trade, but seriously, the Suns are in a very bad position, and can't hope to get sensational offers. Not for a 30 year old and not for a talented player but very problematic.

Some picks may be involved, certainly, but not as good, no doubt.
I think the trade happens, and that will help both teams, but I would look elsewhere.

What do you think is the reason why we haven't trade Markieff yet?
We want a good pick or a good player.Period.

Markieff is a really good player when motivated and he is on a friendly contract for the next few seasons. He is gonna play GREAT on his new team, I am sure about that, he is not playing with passion here because he thinks that he was disrespected by the Suns.

I wanted him traded, but at this point it doesn't matter. The season is over for us, so we can trade him in the offseason for better value because it seems that he is confortable playing for Watson. His value is gonna rise.

[Raps Militia]

I really see no point in a Suns/Raps trade if that NY pick isn't coming to PHX.

Kieff is under contract for four years. No need to trade him.

Suns can easily get a 1st in the early 20s from an Eastern Conference team for PJ - just look at the work he did against Melo and Lebron last week.

Bruno has very little value. He's done absolutely nothing but generate posts on message boards about his potential.

This is hilarious. Seriously.

I can answer you?
No team would do this. And even for Morris (which may be worth a late first-round pick, which is also the one on which they will be discussing).

I really don't find it indispensable this trade, but seriously, the Suns are in a very bad position, and can't hope to get sensational offers. Not for a 30 year old and not for a talented player but very problematic.

Some picks may be involved, certainly, but not as good, no doubt.
I think the trade happens, and that will help both teams, but I would look elsewhere.

I'm inclined to agree with you. I have trouble seeing a team give up a first rounder for PJ Tucker

Because that's how it is.
Tucker is a good defender, very good. He has traveled the world and worked hard, but he is still very limited.
Not worth a first round pick, and we would not have even needed him, except that Carroll and JJ are injured.

But, this interest is a pretext to take Morris. Him despite his head, is worth a first round pick.
We have two late first-round pick, and we could involve them. But at that point I would try to involve Leuer.

In my opinion, a good trade for Both teams:

Scola (expiring) + Patterson + Bennett (expiring) + 2016 first-round pick + 2017 first-round pick (from Clippers via Bucks)

for

Morris + Tucker + Leuer

[blacksun]

I really see no point in a Suns/Raps trade if that NY pick isn't coming to PHX.

Kieff is under contract for four years. No need to trade him.

Suns can easily get a 1st in the early 20s from an Eastern Conference team for PJ - just look at the work he did against Melo and Lebron last week.

Bruno has very little value. He's done absolutely nothing but generate posts on message boards about his potential.

This is hilarious. Seriously.

I can answer you?
No team would do this. And even for Morris (which may be worth a late first-round pick, which is also the one on which they will be discussing).

I really don't find it indispensable this trade, but seriously, the Suns are in a very bad position, and can't hope to get sensational offers. Not for a 30 year old and not for a talented player but very problematic.

Some picks may be involved, certainly, but not as good, no doubt.
I think the trade happens, and that will help both teams, but I would look elsewhere.

Bro, hate to break it to you but a stand alone late first round draft pick gets you a decent role player in a trade. It basically gets you a PJ Tucker.

What your trying to say is you want the raptors to get a Porsche on a Kia budget. Not gonna happen my friend.

This. Teams actually just buy picks in that range straight up. Which gives you an idea of its value, which is not much. Also the draft this year is bare beyond the 8th pick range. Not very good value.

Yes the suns are in a bad position. But that doesnt make us desperate. We have NO NEED to get rid of Morris, or Tucker right now. We want to, but we dont have to. If Masai is only here for a massive discount then he can go because i doubt he would get it. Ryan McD held out this long denying lowball offers and I doubt he would relent now.

[SunsFanSSOL]

McD said to Gambo that the Suns are willing to trade their pick

[AtheJ415]

Would you guys rather have the Knicks pick or a Caboclo/Wright? The Raps fans are saying Ujiri is high on Bruno but he's looked pretty...meh. Then again, he's only 20.

Bruno doesnt have a lot of value around the league, but the team really likes his potential. Most people believe the D-league team we got was 95% for Bruno's development. In a trade for Tucker/Morris, i dont think either Bruno/NY pick would be on the table. If it means no deal, then so be it, but those are 2 things Im pretty sure Masai wouldnt trade for that package

Then there won't be a trade. We could get more than whatever would be left on the table selling them individually to other teams. The Cavs are already on record as wanting Kieff, as is Houston, and we have no use for pretty much what would be left relative to what the other teams could offer.

[letsgosuns]

Raptors fans and other teams fans can try to lowball the Suns all they want but face facts, the Suns can do whatever they want. Markieff and Tucker are not expiring contracts. They are not forced to trade either one of them. Do I want to trade them? Absolutely. Does that mean the Phoenix Suns organization is willing to trade them for below market value? I doubt it.

What is market value? Well for a go-to scorer down the stretch like Markieff that is signed for three more seasons, the price is probably at least a really good young prospect or a lottery pick. A guy like Tucker? My guess is a late first round pick or two second round picks. Remember that when teams like the Raptors or others are going all in to win right now, they must sacrifice good assets to get immediate help. Tucker can guard Lebron. Carroll can guard Lebron. If you have both of them, one of them should always be able to guard Lebron at all times assuming they are healthy. That is a big deal. You need a big basket down the stretch. Markieff has been doing that for years prior to this year. It is his specialty.

So if you do not make the trade and then comes the time when you are playing a playoff series and you say I wish we would have traded that Knicks pick for Tucker and Markieff because they are exactly what we are missing, you are going to be disappointed. The Suns fans experienced it themselves years ago when McDonough refused to trade a first round pick for Pau Gasol. Who knows how much different things would have turned out if the Suns added Gasol to the 2013-14 team that won 48 games. The Suns had three first round picks that year and supposedly it took any one of them to make the trade but the team would not do it. Sometimes you gotta go for it when you have the chance.

[AtheJ415]

McD said to Gambo that the Suns are willing to trade their pick

You left off the most important part--"for a superstar". Yes, if a superstar becomes available we should be willing to part with the pick. For example, if Sac said tomorrow they wanted to trade Cousins, we'd involve it, but it's not like we're shopping the pick.

[Raps Militia]

I really see no point in a Suns/Raps trade if that NY pick isn't coming to PHX.

Kieff is under contract for four years. No need to trade him.

Suns can easily get a 1st in the early 20s from an Eastern Conference team for PJ - just look at the work he did against Melo and Lebron last week.

Bruno has very little value. He's done absolutely nothing but generate posts on message boards about his potential.

This is hilarious. Seriously.

I can answer you?
No team would do this. And even for Morris (which may be worth a late first-round pick, which is also the one on which they will be discussing).

I really don't find it indispensable this trade, but seriously, the Suns are in a very bad position, and can't hope to get sensational offers. Not for a 30 year old and not for a talented player but very problematic.

Some picks may be involved, certainly, but not as good, no doubt.
I think the trade happens, and that will help both teams, but I would look elsewhere.

Bro, hate to break it to you but a stand alone late first round draft pick gets you a decent role player in a trade. It basically gets you a PJ Tucker.

What your trying to say is you want the raptors to get a Porsche on a Kia budget. Not gonna happen my friend.

This is true, but no team would sacrifice a first round pick for Tucker. Do you know why?
Because a team with that pick could take a player at his level, but it could also get one much better. It's a risk, but a good risk.
This percentage, certainly makes the value of a first-round pick higher than a player like Tucker.

[Saberestar]

McD said to Gambo that the Suns are willing to trade their pick

Oh my....

Another Brandon Knight coming?

[SunsFanSSOL]

McD said to Gambo that the Suns are willing to trade their pick

Oh my....

Another Brandon Knight coming?

Well, he said in the off-season, not the trade deadline. He said that trading the pick if they get the 5th or 6th pick for a star isn't something they're philosophical opposed to.

He also finally acknowledged we probably won't make the playoffs.

[AtheJ415]

This is hilarious. Seriously.

I can answer you?
No team would do this. And even for Morris (which may be worth a late first-round pick, which is also the one on which they will be discussing).

I really don't find it indispensable this trade, but seriously, the Suns are in a very bad position, and can't hope to get sensational offers. Not for a 30 year old and not for a talented player but very problematic.

Some picks may be involved, certainly, but not as good, no doubt.
I think the trade happens, and that will help both teams, but I would look elsewhere.

I'm inclined to agree with you. I have trouble seeing a team give up a first rounder for PJ Tucker

Because that's how it is.
Tucker is a good defender, very good. He has traveled the world and worked hard, but he is still very limited.
Not worth a first round pick, and we would not have even needed him, except that Carroll and JJ are injured.

But, this interest is a pretext to take Morris. Him despite his head, is worth a first round pick.
We have two late first-round pick, and we could involve them. But at that point I would try to involve Leuer.

In my opinion, a good trade for Both teams:

Scola (expiring) + Patterson + Bennett (expiring) + 2016 first-round pick + 2017 first-round pick (from Clippers via Bucks)

for

Morris + Tucker + Leuer

How valuable do you think a late first is to a contender? How valuable do you think a late first is relative to Tucker? Yes, he's limited offensively, but he's still a rotation player on a cheap deal who is elite at defense. If you draft a guy like that late first you've done well. At pick 25, only 20% of the players become guys who combine to put up 10 points, rebounds, and assists all summed together. Most become deep bench players or busts. And the teams interested in him would be contenders, and so their 1sts are late firsts.

[Sunsdeuce]

This is hilarious. Seriously.

I can answer you?
No team would do this. And even for Morris (which may be worth a late first-round pick, which is also the one on which they will be discussing).

I really don't find it indispensable this trade, but seriously, the Suns are in a very bad position, and can't hope to get sensational offers. Not for a 30 year old and not for a talented player but very problematic.

Some picks may be involved, certainly, but not as good, no doubt.
I think the trade happens, and that will help both teams, but I would look elsewhere.

Bro, hate to break it to you but a stand alone late first round draft pick gets you a decent role player in a trade. It basically gets you a PJ Tucker.

What your trying to say is you want the raptors to get a Porsche on a Kia budget. Not gonna happen my friend.

This is true, but no team would sacrifice a first round pick for Tucker. Do you know why?
Because a team with that pick could take a player at his level, but it could also get one much better. It's a risk, but a good risk.
This percentage, certainly makes the value of a first-round pick higher than a player like Tucker.

Actually the best you can hope for is a project player (example: Archie Goodwin) with a late draft pick. Likelihood of an immediate impact player (whether really good role player or borderline star) is calculated super tiny. Those picks late round picks usually take 2-3 years to be worth it, if they are even worth it.

[AtheJ415]

This is hilarious. Seriously.

I can answer you?
No team would do this. And even for Morris (which may be worth a late first-round pick, which is also the one on which they will be discussing).

I really don't find it indispensable this trade, but seriously, the Suns are in a very bad position, and can't hope to get sensational offers. Not for a 30 year old and not for a talented player but very problematic.

Some picks may be involved, certainly, but not as good, no doubt.
I think the trade happens, and that will help both teams, but I would look elsewhere.

Bro, hate to break it to you but a stand alone late first round draft pick gets you a decent role player in a trade. It basically gets you a PJ Tucker.

What your trying to say is you want the raptors to get a Porsche on a Kia budget. Not gonna happen my friend.

This is true, but no team would sacrifice a first round pick for Tucker. Do you know why?
Because a team with that pick could take a player at his level, but it could also get one much better. It's a risk, but a good risk.
This percentage, certainly makes the value of a first-round pick higher than a player like Tucker.

http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

It's not really a good risk. And keep in mind that has a very generous definition of star and solid (for instance a guy averaging 10, 5, and 5 is considered star criteria there). I guess it depends on your definition of late first rounder. Odds are you will get a player worse than him, but even if you end up with a guy who has a better career, it takes time to grow him into that career player, whereas you are trying to win NOW. Young players in particular often struggle defensively in this league, while Tucker is a top 20 defender. I hate Tucker as much as anybody on this board, and I want him gone because he doesn't have a place on this team imo, but I think there are certainly teams out there who would value him over a late first.

[bigfoot]

Fans of both our team and the other teams need to recognize the Suns underachieved this year. We expected to do so much better this year based on our talent. Unfortunately our players have been injured and our team in turmoil. To say our players such as Kief and Tucker aren't worth much in trade value is really short sighted. McD is doing the right thing holding off on bad trades because we have seen what Kief can do when properly motivated. No need to throw away our better players to other teams for trash or late 1st round picks. Right now we are thin at SF and giving Tucker up for chump change doesn't help us at all either. Tucker is so valuable for this small-ball era we are currently seeing by the Warriors with his ability to guard 1-4 positions. We should be able to get very high value for him. McD will weather the storm and pull off nice trades if they present themselves. I'd expect Telly and Leuer to be the prime candidates to be moved. Telly can get us another late first round pick and Leuer at least a 2nd rounder.

[Saberestar]

Would you guys rather have the Knicks pick or a Caboclo/Wright? The Raps fans are saying Ujiri is high on Bruno but he's looked pretty...meh. Then again, he's only 20.

The Knicks pick. Potentially can be really good...right now is #12.

But this draft is terrible.

Well, there are always good players. Even on a bad draft, like in 2013, players like the Greek Freak or Gobert were available at #12.

McDonough is good at drafting, so I think this pick is fair value for Markieff.