Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4

[bigfoot]

Anyone following the gleague and know of any decent Gs available. I assume they will bring in another guy on a 2 way deal to help while booker is out.

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http://gleague.nba.com/news/eyeing-nba-call-top-performing-g-league-prospects-week-4/

Maybe this guy Quinn Cook out of Duke....a little small but shoots well from 3 and gets lots of assists... http://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/#!/1626188/gamelogs/

Will not be getting him ... he's signed to a two-way contract with the Warriors.

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[BobbieL]

George Hill is not a game changer or the last guy though. You also lose the ability to do anything in FA by absorbing his 20 mil.

Here is the net effect of adding George hill: lose any chance at a max FA for 2 offseasons, lose out on a top 5 pick this year, and all to win enough games to get us to maybe the 8th pick of the draft (nowhere near the 8 seed).

He actively prevents us from maximizing the chances of drafting a star while eliminating the chance of signing one and lowering the chances of trading for one due to the lack of cap flexibility. None of that makes sense.

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You only lose the chance at a max free agent for this coming summer. I thought you wanted to go for a FA in 19 anyway. He only has like $1 million of his contract guaranteed in 19-20. He might make us marginally better, but he would definitely play the right way, give us a legit NBA pg so this team isn't spinning it's wheels and the player development stalls while James and Ulis run around launching shots and not getting them the ball.

While we might draft a PG this offseason, he likely won't be ready to start day 1. I know people will expect him to because he would be better than Ulis or James (though I think and hope James just has a contract for this year...since it's a minimum that's probably the case).

But Booker is going to get tired of playing with raw players year after year as he progresses. Playing with Hill would be good for him for a year while a rookie PG progressed and got ready to take over the following year.

yes - you said it very well

all of these reasons are why George Hill for the rest of this year and next year make sense

I think your main point, playing with Hill would make life easier for Bledsoe and he might actually improve with a better PG next to him

it makes a lot of sense: Monroe for Hill. the cap is still fine for the summer of 2019. And I truly don't see Hill getting the team that many more wins. But he might just help Booker and that is a big reason to do this deal. Plus, if they do draft a PG this next summer, Hill is a good one year mentor

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

A few take aways from this decision:

1. The FO wants to keep open the possibility of using Monroe as the centerpiece of a deadline day deal, so I'm saying there's a chance; and

2. DJJ was not worth a second round draft pick.

I do wonder, what was the second option that the FO was considering? Were we discussing a real trade deal with someone? Did we consider cutting someone else? Or had Brandon's or Monroe's camp come to us with a buyout option?

[Jdiddy701]

Would the Clippers do Monroe + Chriss + Mil 1st + Mia 1st for Blake Griffin?


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[bwgood77]

Would the Clippers do Monroe + Chriss + Mil 1st + Mia 1st for Blake Griffin?


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No.

[jredsaz]

I can't believe some of these proposals that I'm reading. George Hill? Trading to get Goran, who publicly demanded a trade and would probably go ring chasing at the end of his deal since he'll be old by then? Mike Conley? Not to mention all of these guys remove the possibility of a max player over the next 2 offseasons. That is just insane. None of them get us into the playoffs even as the 8 seed, and each costs us the chance to take a longshot pursuit of someone like Cousins or Capela or whoever (and I'd rather take the longshot at either of those guys than pay Mike Conley $30 mil a year and George Hill $20 mil a year).

The real truth here is that we don't NEED to get a PG to pair with Booker this year. It would be nice if there was one who didn't cost a lot to get and who had a low or expiring salary, but that guy doesn't exist. Furthermore, the most valuable SG in basketball is James Harden, who was also asked to create for and carry an NBA offense in a PG-like fashion, which turned him into the player he is now. While it might not be fair to make Booker do that at 21, it will allow him to develop on that end and in that fashion. The whole, "New Kobe" mantra has been misguided. Kobe would not be THAT valuable in the league today relative to a guy like Harden. We should want him to become Harden, and in my opinion he has shown enough playmaking to potentially become that.

All of that is besides the point that we really do need a top 5 pick this season, so adding a PG who helps us win today isn't necessarily great for us. Getting one of Ayton, Doncic, Porter, Bagley, Bamba is a big freaking deal for this team. Besides that, we still need Ulis to get his minutes and improve since he is probably our future long-term 2nd PG no matter what happens. We can address starting PG this upcoming offseason for a bargain vet or through the draft or both. That Miami pick should let us to get somebody like Sexton or Young, who I like. Duval also is there. None are sure things but all have the potential to be a starting 1 in the league. If Sexton is projected to go 7th or so like he currently is, we can always package the Miami and Milwaukee picks to move up if needed.

Just curious what max player you have in mind? You are expecting a top tier max player to want to come to the Suns? I want a target you think is someone we could go after and get. I know in theory some max player in 19 is what we "should" do but it's easy to talk about and not easy to do.

I agree. At this point the suns won't sign a max player that would make the impact needed. That guy isnt going to chose the Suns. They will have to trade for him. Conley is interesting. Blake is interesting. Both are scary due to injury history.

[GreekAlex]

I'm a Pistons fan with a trade board idea and I'd love some perspective from your fan base.

You guys don't seem to use Jared Dudley much and he could be very useful to the Pistons while getting you guys a smaller contract.

Would you guys do Jared Dudley for Boban Marjanovich? It saves the Suns nearly 6M over the terms of their contracts.

Feel free to vote on my KOTB thread:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1645298

[jcsunsfan]

We have too many centers already. We need Dudley right now. We would trade him for pg though.


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[Saberestar]

I'm a Pistons fan with a trade board idea and I'd love some perspective from your fan base.

You guys don't seem to use Jared Dudley much and he could be very useful to the Pistons while getting you guys a smaller contract.

Would you guys do Jared Dudley for Boban Marjanovich? It saves the Suns nearly 6M over the terms of their contracts.

Feel free to vote on my KOTB thread:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1645298

I wouldn't do it.

[GreekAlex]

I appreciate your guys take.

Is there anything that could be added to interest you guys? Would a second round pick do anything for you?

[Villalobos]

George Hill is the best realistic option to play next to Booker. Even if it costs a 2nd rounder or two (Suns have way too many picks anyway).

[Mulhollanddrive]

So none of Monroe, Chandler, Len could get a 2nd rounder?

[Saberestar]

I appreciate your guys take.

Is there anything that could be added to interest you guys? Would a second round pick do anything for you?

I don't think so.

We don't need to save money (not even next season).
We have a lot of Cs on the roster. Monroe, Len, Chandler and Williams (injured).
We have a ton of second round picks. In 2018 we have three for sure...probably four.
Dudley is useful on and off the court. Smart player, we don't have too many of them.

[Revived]

I can't believe some of these proposals that I'm reading. George Hill? Trading to get Goran, who publicly demanded a trade and would probably go ring chasing at the end of his deal since he'll be old by then? Mike Conley? Not to mention all of these guys remove the possibility of a max player over the next 2 offseasons. That is just insane. None of them get us into the playoffs even as the 8 seed, and each costs us the chance to take a longshot pursuit of someone like Cousins or Capela or whoever (and I'd rather take the longshot at either of those guys than pay Mike Conley $30 mil a year and George Hill $20 mil a year).

The real truth here is that we don't NEED to get a PG to pair with Booker this year. It would be nice if there was one who didn't cost a lot to get and who had a low or expiring salary, but that guy doesn't exist. Furthermore, the most valuable SG in basketball is James Harden, who was also asked to create for and carry an NBA offense in a PG-like fashion, which turned him into the player he is now. While it might not be fair to make Booker do that at 21, it will allow him to develop on that end and in that fashion. The whole, "New Kobe" mantra has been misguided. Kobe would not be THAT valuable in the league today relative to a guy like Harden. We should want him to become Harden, and in my opinion he has shown enough playmaking to potentially become that.

All of that is besides the point that we really do need a top 5 pick this season, so adding a PG who helps us win today isn't necessarily great for us. Getting one of Ayton, Doncic, Porter, Bagley, Bamba is a big freaking deal for this team. Besides that, we still need Ulis to get his minutes and improve since he is probably our future long-term 2nd PG no matter what happens. We can address starting PG this upcoming offseason for a bargain vet or through the draft or both. That Miami pick should let us to get somebody like Sexton or Young, who I like. Duval also is there. None are sure things but all have the potential to be a starting 1 in the league. If Sexton is projected to go 7th or so like he currently is, we can always package the Miami and Milwaukee picks to move up if needed.

Just curious what max player you have in mind? You are expecting a top tier max player to want to come to the Suns? I want a target you think is someone we could go after and get. I know in theory some max player in 19 is what we "should" do but it's easy to talk about and not easy to do.

I was about to say the same thing. There’s no use in clearing max space for no reason when chances are star max players aren’t going to come here.

If you do want to attract players like that, you have to have a couple of decent veterans on the team and guys like Dragic or Conley could help with that. Figure out the $$ situation after making sure the Suns are even an atttraxtive FA destination first.

[LukasBMW]

With Booker out for a month any outside chances of the playoffs are out.

The fact that we inked Mike James ...freaking Mike James... to a contact tells me the front office is throwing in the towel.

It makes zero...ZERO sense for us to make any "win now" moves.

A Rubio for Monroe + 2 second round picks would really be the only type of deal that interests me as it would allow us to keep cap flexibility for 2019 but give us a better distributor for the rest of the year to see if any of the youngsters (Jackson/TJ/Chriss/Bender) benefit from a better play-maker.

But the best case scenario at this point is a #2 or #3 position in the lottery.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

So none of Monroe, Chandler, Len could get a 2nd rounder?

I don't think we'd take a second rounder for Chandler (especially assuming we'd have to take back contracts of near-equal size and length). No one has $17 million worth of cap space to just take on Monroe (and if they did, that cap space is worth more than Greg's contract). And Alex must approve any trade (which he wouldn't for reasons we've discussed) and besides, he can't be traded until December 15.

[Fo-Real]

I appreciate your guys take.

Is there anything that could be added to interest you guys? Would a second round pick do anything for you?

What it would do is give us 5 second round picks. So no, its not needed at all.

[GreekAlex]

I appreciate your guys take.

Is there anything that could be added to interest you guys? Would a second round pick do anything for you?

What it would do is give us 5 second round picks. So no, its not needed at all.

The more second round picks, the better the odds you hit on one of the picks

[bigfoot]

I appreciate your guys take.

Is there anything that could be added to interest you guys? Would a second round pick do anything for you?

What it would do is give us 5 second round picks. So no, its not needed at all.

The more second round picks, the better the odds you hit on one of the picks

Yeah add in our three first round picks and that is eight rookie players for next year. We already have one of the youngest teams in the league with Jackson, Reed, Bender, Chriss, and Ulis as rookies or only one year of experience. We couldn't even fit eight new players on our roster with Warren, Knight, Booker, Chandler, Dudley, and Williams on the roster too. I think the Suns are done acquiring draft picks.

Now if you really want to make a deal ship us Andre Drummond and we can send you Dudley, Chandler and a bunch of picks.