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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#261 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:16 am

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If this is true, then the suns would be very stupid to not just accept Green to try Jabari Smith and it 10th pick back. There's going to he a number of teams that we could trade J Green to, and it shouldn't be that difficult to move him for other pieces. :nod:


You might have posted before but what is your take on Jabari as a young player?


I think Jabari Smith Jr is pretty solid. He's still got a higher ceiling than what people understand yet due to his defensive awareness, motor, physicality. He'll never be a 1A alpha star and is more of a 3rd tier star player, but he projects pretty well as a high end starter. I like the possibility of him being more of a mix of a poor man's Jaren Jackson Jr and maybe a better Antwan Jamison than comparing him to Rashard Lewis or a Chris Bosch.

He's very solid, but not really the elite shooter that Lewis was, and also not as dynamically versatile as Bosch either. Hyst a very solid two way 3 & D archetype big with impressive defensive playmaking skills. :nod:

That aligns with my view. I do see him similar to a poor man's JJJr at his positions 3/4. I really like his playmaking ability and while I'd like to see better shooting stats, he's at least confident enough to take a good number of them each game. Of course, his defense is probably his calling card right now, absolutely love the activity, ability to switch and just being super long and disrupting everything. Also a really good rebounder as well, which isn't always a given in spite of size.

I'm all in on the guy.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#262 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:18 am

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Read on Twitter

Maybe this is the only real offer on the table right now but this also reads like we still want to make a serious effort to compete for a playoff spot in the short term otherwise I don't know why we would want Gobert. It's certainly not because the picks are that enticing.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#263 » by thamadkant » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:34 am

With Rockets, if its true that Green and Smith Jr are offered yet Suns are holding off, it means Suns want additional picks to take on Green's contract.
I think Green, Smith Jr and Pick 10 (Suns 2025) OR Suns 2027 Pick WOULD satisfy the Suns demands.

Suns then turn around to Nets and trade Green for Nick Claxton, Pick 9 2025 and future first rounder

Suns could potentially find their PF and C, along with Pick 9, Pick 10, Pick 29 just before the Draft. Suns should consider moving up to Pick 3 by packaging Pick 9 and Pick 10. Suns can then draft a PG, possibly Edgecomb or Harper. Then Suns draft Kalkbrenner at 29.


I would then trade Allen and O'Neil to Magic for Isaacs. So the new lineup becomes


Giving Suns the following rotation

C Claxton
F Smith Jr
F Isaacs
G Booker
G Harper/Edgecomb
G Beal
F Dunn
F Oso
C Kalkbrenner

Would be a GOOD start to the rebuild preparing for Post Booker, maybe after next season.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#264 » by sunsbum » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:40 am

Yall know real and fake insiders get paid to push propaganda right?
"Mannnnn I’m like the guy that pissed this whole board off saying literally all year no Mikal, no Mikal in the KD trade."
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#265 » by dremill24 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:41 am

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I'm wondering if Green has a negative value around the league, anywhere from slightly to fairly negative. We could use that as leverage to get like two of picks back for "taking on that contract" possibly.


I said this about Green the other day in a different thread pertaining to the Jazz

I think the hate for Green is going a little overboard at this point. He didnt look good in his first playoffs on a team with little other creation, yes. But hes still just 23 with ball skills and crazy athletic tools.

I think buying low, even treating him as a slightly positive asset, especially for the Jazz would not be a bad option at all. Their books are very clean and he provides both a talent upgrade now and upside for the future.

Maybe the lack of a major leap so far is cause to just be out on him, but as long as you're not giving up premium assets, I think Utah would be a decent fit actually.


Everyone is just so reactionary and tethered to only the last thing they saw. Things change all the time, and many times the people who show some patience and dont overreact win out in the (relative) long run. I think some team with only low-to-improving expectations and a young core could view him as a slightly positive asset that they can buy low on.

Its possible he just never gets better of course, maybe Im just willing it into existence because I'd like to be able to reroute him in a KD deal. But like...I dont think Green to Utah for, say, Clarkson and Hendricks is totally crazy. They've got a new GM who didnt draft Hendricks and he is still quite unproven himself. I'd call that giving up an asset but not an outlandish one.


I'm not casting judgment on Green I'm just speculating the real possibility he's not valued around the league.


Yeah, I was commenting on that speculation as well, because I think you might be right. I just feel like maybe it has gone a bit too far in that direction. I'd wager there are one or two teams that would value him a bit, but your speculation could be correct.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#266 » by Blonde » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:43 am

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My point is: Barrett isn't any different in that regard.

I agree that Barrett is not much to be excited over, but I've always viewed him as more of a SF anyway. And the reporting has been that it would be Poeltle + Quickley OR Barrett, and Quickley would be my clear choice.


The idea that Barrett is a "SF" and therefore a better fit with Book is kinda my issue.

Why do folks call him a SF? Mostly because he's kinda burly and isnt a great shooter, making people hesitant to call him a SG. Those arent things that magically make him a good fit next to Booker. He needs either a high-level orchestrator with the ball or a high-level defender with size/length and ability to stretch the floor. Barrett is not that great at any of those things.

No, he’s not great at those things you ideally want at forward, which is why he’s pure salary filler. But he has played a lot of minutes at SF and has held up physically against forwards. Certainly more of a forward body type than Green or Vassell. In any case, I don’t particularly want the guy, I want Quickley. And I haven’t seen many (if anyone?) here clamoring for Barrett - his limitations are pretty clear. Idk why I’m defending him even, it just doesn’t feel like that hot of a take to say he can play SF on this team considering we’ve been playing Grayson Allen and Brad Beal there the last two years.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#267 » by thamadkant » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:43 am

sunsbum wrote:Yall know real and fake insiders get paid to push propaganda right?



its been a booming business for a decade now. Paid propaganda and influencers. Politicians, Corporations and those with strong interest, such as Sports teams pay people to astroturf, blemish and spread hope/negativity. They copied the dirty tactics in Wall Street.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#268 » by thamadkant » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:44 am

RJ Barrett is a decent talent. He's no worse than a lot of SFs out there. The thing is, he could thrive and improve some more under a different system, a new life just like Powell (Clippers) and Gordon (Nuggets)
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#269 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:46 am

thamadkant wrote:With Rockets, if its true that Green and Smith Jr are offered yet Suns are holding off, it means Suns want additional picks to take on Green's contract.
I think Green, Smith Jr and Pick 10 (Suns 2025) OR Suns 2027 Pick WOULD satisfy the Suns demands.

Suns then turn around to Nets and trade Green for Nick Claxton, Pick 9 2025 and future first rounder

Suns could potentially find their PF and C, along with Pick 9, Pick 10, Pick 29 just before the Draft. Suns should consider moving up to Pick 3 by packaging Pick 9 and Pick 10. Suns can then draft a PG, possibly Edgecomb or Harper. Then Suns draft Kalkbrenner at 29.


I would then trade Allen and O'Neil to Magic for Isaacs. So the new lineup becomes


Giving Suns the following rotation

C Claxton
F Smith Jr
F Isaacs
G Booker
G Harper/Edgecomb
G Beal
F Dunn
F Oso
C Kalkbrenner

Would be a GOOD start to the rebuild preparing for Post Booker, maybe after next season.

If you think it'll cost Rockets additional picks for a team to take on Green, you're definitely not going to turn around and get the #9 pick for Green.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#270 » by thamadkant » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:49 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
thamadkant wrote:With Rockets, if its true that Green and Smith Jr are offered yet Suns are holding off, it means Suns want additional picks to take on Green's contract.
I think Green, Smith Jr and Pick 10 (Suns 2025) OR Suns 2027 Pick WOULD satisfy the Suns demands.

Suns then turn around to Nets and trade Green for Nick Claxton, Pick 9 2025 and future first rounder

Suns could potentially find their PF and C, along with Pick 9, Pick 10, Pick 29 just before the Draft. Suns should consider moving up to Pick 3 by packaging Pick 9 and Pick 10. Suns can then draft a PG, possibly Edgecomb or Harper. Then Suns draft Kalkbrenner at 29.


I would then trade Allen and O'Neil to Magic for Isaacs. So the new lineup becomes


Giving Suns the following rotation

C Claxton
F Smith Jr
F Isaacs
G Booker
G Harper/Edgecomb
G Beal
F Dunn
F Oso
C Kalkbrenner

Would be a GOOD start to the rebuild preparing for Post Booker, maybe after next season.

If you think it'll cost Rockets additional picks for a team to take on Green, you're definitely not going to turn around and get the #9 pick for Green.


Green's value to Suns is lower than other teams, so Rockets should really approach Nets for Pick 9 and Claxton, and a future pick for Green, then trade Pick 9, Claxton, Smith Jr and Pick 10 for KD (Rockets keep the extra pick they got from Nets for Green).
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#271 » by dremill24 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:51 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
thamadkant wrote:With Rockets, if its true that Green and Smith Jr are offered yet Suns are holding off, it means Suns want additional picks to take on Green's contract.
I think Green, Smith Jr and Pick 10 (Suns 2025) OR Suns 2027 Pick WOULD satisfy the Suns demands.

Suns then turn around to Nets and trade Green for Nick Claxton, Pick 9 2025 and future first rounder

Suns could potentially find their PF and C, along with Pick 9, Pick 10, Pick 29 just before the Draft. Suns should consider moving up to Pick 3 by packaging Pick 9 and Pick 10. Suns can then draft a PG, possibly Edgecomb or Harper. Then Suns draft Kalkbrenner at 29.


I would then trade Allen and O'Neil to Magic for Isaacs. So the new lineup becomes


Giving Suns the following rotation

C Claxton
F Smith Jr
F Isaacs
G Booker
G Harper/Edgecomb
G Beal
F Dunn
F Oso
C Kalkbrenner

Would be a GOOD start to the rebuild preparing for Post Booker, maybe after next season.

If you think it'll cost Rockets additional picks for a team to take on Green, you're definitely not going to turn around and get the #9 pick for Green.


The Nets dont even have pick #9 :lol:
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#272 » by thamadkant » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:52 am

dremill24 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
thamadkant wrote:With Rockets, if its true that Green and Smith Jr are offered yet Suns are holding off, it means Suns want additional picks to take on Green's contract.
I think Green, Smith Jr and Pick 10 (Suns 2025) OR Suns 2027 Pick WOULD satisfy the Suns demands.

Suns then turn around to Nets and trade Green for Nick Claxton, Pick 9 2025 and future first rounder

Suns could potentially find their PF and C, along with Pick 9, Pick 10, Pick 29 just before the Draft. Suns should consider moving up to Pick 3 by packaging Pick 9 and Pick 10. Suns can then draft a PG, possibly Edgecomb or Harper. Then Suns draft Kalkbrenner at 29.


I would then trade Allen and O'Neil to Magic for Isaacs. So the new lineup becomes


Giving Suns the following rotation

C Claxton
F Smith Jr
F Isaacs
G Booker
G Harper/Edgecomb
G Beal
F Dunn
F Oso
C Kalkbrenner

Would be a GOOD start to the rebuild preparing for Post Booker, maybe after next season.

If you think it'll cost Rockets additional picks for a team to take on Green, you're definitely not going to turn around and get the #9 pick for Green.


The Nets dont even have pick #9 :lol:


Pick 8 then
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#273 » by dremill24 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:57 am

thamadkant wrote:
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lilfishi22 wrote:If you think it'll cost Rockets additional picks for a team to take on Green, you're definitely not going to turn around and get the #9 pick for Green.


The Nets dont even have pick #9 :lol:


Pick 8 then


Much more reasonable.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#274 » by DirtyDez » Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:07 am

I don’t have any interest in Jalen Green unless we’re getting 2-3 of our picks back. Then I’ll welcome him with open arms. I don’t care about wins and losses next season.
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Post#275 » by dremill24 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:13 am

In a Wolves deal, I'd be interested in seeing what is out there for DiVincenzo. Could always just keep him and ship out Allen, but I think Donte would be coveted around the league and return more value. I'm sure you could get a decent 1st from a lot of teams, while a younger non-star on a rookie deal might be possible too (e.g., Anthony Black from ORL).
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Post#276 » by dremill24 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:15 am

Do you just take & keep Green for the inevitable point in the near future where Ishbia and/or Booker finally get a clue and Booker gets shipped out? :lol:
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#277 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:17 am

thamadkant wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
thamadkant wrote:With Rockets, if its true that Green and Smith Jr are offered yet Suns are holding off, it means Suns want additional picks to take on Green's contract.
I think Green, Smith Jr and Pick 10 (Suns 2025) OR Suns 2027 Pick WOULD satisfy the Suns demands.

Suns then turn around to Nets and trade Green for Nick Claxton, Pick 9 2025 and future first rounder

Suns could potentially find their PF and C, along with Pick 9, Pick 10, Pick 29 just before the Draft. Suns should consider moving up to Pick 3 by packaging Pick 9 and Pick 10. Suns can then draft a PG, possibly Edgecomb or Harper. Then Suns draft Kalkbrenner at 29.


I would then trade Allen and O'Neil to Magic for Isaacs. So the new lineup becomes


Giving Suns the following rotation

C Claxton
F Smith Jr
F Isaacs
G Booker
G Harper/Edgecomb
G Beal
F Dunn
F Oso
C Kalkbrenner

Would be a GOOD start to the rebuild preparing for Post Booker, maybe after next season.

If you think it'll cost Rockets additional picks for a team to take on Green, you're definitely not going to turn around and get the #9 pick for Green.


Green's value to Suns is lower than other teams, so Rockets should really approach Nets for Pick 9 and Claxton, and a future pick for Green, then trade Pick 9, Claxton, Smith Jr and Pick 10 for KD (Rockets keep the extra pick they got from Nets for Green).

He doesn't have that kind of value to us nor any other team.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#278 » by Saberestar » Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:35 am

thamadkant wrote:
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lilfishi22 wrote:If you think it'll cost Rockets additional picks for a team to take on Green, you're definitely not going to turn around and get the #9 pick for Green.


The Nets dont even have pick #9 :lol:


Pick 8 then

Jalen Green doesn't have that big positive value around the league.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#279 » by Djedefre » Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:40 am

Wolves offer is pure trash. No-offense center at start of his decline, mediocre rotational piece and an underwhelming prospect. If they say that is 'the best offer', then other teams are not even being serious and all that was reported was baloney...
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#280 » by Saberestar » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:29 am

Djedefre wrote:Wolves offer is pure trash. No-offense center at start of his decline, mediocre rotational piece and an underwhelming prospect. If they say that is 'the best offer', then other teams are not even being serious and all that was reported was baloney...

I have never been a fan of Gobert but his value is undeniable and he has been pretty healthy all his career.

He is a floor raiser and the Wolves has been successful with him at C.

Offensively he is limited but you know that he can score over 10 points just on put backs, lobs and finishing around the rim. Not a bad FT shooter for that type of player.

He is old but he is 4 years younger than KD and his salary is fair for his production. $35M.

DiVincenzo is one of the best bench players in the entire league. We can give him an spot or use him in another trade. He fits every roster.

Dillingham is a wild card.

And #17 in nice, there are too many prospects from 10 to 20 that look exciting on paper.

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