Archie Goodwin

RunDogGun · Post #281 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:31 am

Teaser Pleaser wrote:I wonder if the Suns employ last year's tanking strategy of "resting" Dragic especially in games against the West and teams that were competing for the final playoff spot with the Lakers.

When did two frickin games become a "tanking strategy"? :roll:

Cutter · Post #282 » by **Cutter** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:47 am

RunDogGun wrote:
Teaser Pleaser wrote:I wonder if the Suns employ last year's tanking strategy of "resting" Dragic especially in games against the West and teams that were competing for the final playoff spot with the Lakers.

When did two frickin games become a "tanking strategy"?

Exactly.

Revived · Post #283 » by **Revived** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:53 am

RunDogGun wrote:
Teaser Pleaser wrote:I wonder if the Suns employ last year's tanking strategy of "resting" Dragic especially in games against the West and teams that were competing for the final playoff spot with the Lakers.

When did two frickin games become a "tanking strategy"?

When the two games happen against teams that were competing with the Lakers for that final playoff spot since we get extra lotto pick if LAL missed playoffs and team that we are competing for draft pick for.

Please don't bring your anti tanking BS over here. Even Paul Coro talked about this on the day of those games and I will trust Coro over anybody on realgm or any forum for that matter.

RunDogGun · Post #284 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:22 am

Teaser Pleaser wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
Teaser Pleaser wrote:I wonder if the Suns employ last year's tanking strategy of "resting" Dragic especially in games against the West and teams that were competing for the final playoff spot with the Lakers.

When did two frickin games become a "tanking strategy"?

When the two games happen against teams that were competing with the Lakers for that final playoff spot since we get extra lotto pick if LAL missed playoffs and team that we are competing for draft pick for.

Please don't bring your anti tanking BS over here. Even Paul Coro talked about this on the day of those games and I will trust Coro over anybody on realgm or any forum for that matter.

So you are saying that SAC was fighting LAL for the 7/8th spot? :lol:

I don't care who you trust, your statement is wrong. Because of the facts here, your "tanking strategy" comes down to one game. :roll:

Could it possibly be that the team wanted to see what Kendall could do when starting at the point, without Goran to bail him out? And doing it during the Utah game (and then the SAC game following the Utah game)was a double bonus. You get to try that experiment, and if the team loses, you get a positive.

It's common knowledge that Goran runs himself down. He plays year round and goes balls out the whole time. I love that attitude, and think its great for the team, but doing it throughout the summer for his national team, worries me for my Suns team.

Frank Lee · Post #285 » by **Frank Lee** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:16 pm

Teaser Pleaser wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
Teaser Pleaser wrote:I wonder if the Suns employ last year's tanking strategy of "resting" Dragic especially in games against the West and teams that were competing for the final playoff spot with the Lakers.

When did two frickin games become a "tanking strategy"?

When the two games happen against teams that were competing with the Lakers for that final playoff spot since we get extra lotto pick if LAL missed playoffs and team that we are competing for draft pick for.
Even Paul Coro talked about this on the day of those games and I will trust Coro over anybody on realgm or any forum for that matter.

Isn't the definition of tanking is to purposely lose to improve 'your' draft pick chance ?

As you know, we were trying to sneak an extra pick in our bag with a utah victory(s).

It wasn't about 'our' record. And 'our' pick. Seems rather semantical... for isn't tanking an on going philosophy, not one that is a game by game decision. I don't think you can throw your wet tank-it blanket over those two games dude.... regardless of Coro.

Please don't bring your anti tanking BS over here.

A farmer can't pick where his cow ****. You guys (the tank crew) have been spreading it around pretty thick all over this board.

King4Day · Post #286 » by **King4Day** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:15 pm

We'll be inadvertently tanking once Gortat is traded.

Also, as someone mentioned above, if our guys are playing really well, it will hurt less to get a not so great pick.

E-Buck · Post #287 » by **E-Buck** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:11 pm

The more we sit here and worry about tanking, the less we're going to enjoy the season. Let's focus more on developing Archie and Len, and build chemistry within the locker room. The closer these guys are together, the better they will play together. Win or lose, we need chemistry more than anything, so if and when Wiggins, Parker, or Randle dress up in a Suns jersey, they'll be coming home to a solid foundation built within. I'm really liking how our guys are having fun out there, so we're off to a wonderful start.

Revived · Post #288 » by **Revived** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:44 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
Teaser Pleaser wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:When did two frickin games become a "tanking strategy"?

When the two games happen against teams that were competing with the Lakers for that final playoff spot since we get extra lotto pick if LAL missed playoffs and team that we are competing for draft pick for.

Please don't bring your anti tanking BS over here. Even Paul Coro talked about this on the day of those games and I will trust Coro over anybody on realgm or any forum for that matter.

So you are saying that SAC was fighting LAL for the 7/8th spot? I don't care who you trust, your statement is wrong. Because of the facts here, your "tanking strategy" comes down to one game. Could it possibly be that the team wanted to see what Kendall could do when starting at the point, without Goran to bail him out? And doing it during the Utah game (and then the SAC game following the Utah game)was a double bonus. You get to try that experiment, and if the team loses, you get a positive.

It's common knowledge that Goran runs himself down. He plays year round and goes balls out the whole time. I love that attitude, and think its great for the team, but doing it throughout the summer for his national team, worries me for my Suns team.

No we were competing with SAC for a better draft pick for ourselves. Your Kendall Marshall theory could be true also. I, personally, just don't think so.

Frank Lee wrote:Isn't the definition of tanking is to purposely lose to improve 'your' draft pick chance ?

No, the definition of tanking is to lose games on purpose.

Revived · Post #289 » by **Revived** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:48 pm

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Who will win the 2013-14 Rookie of the Year?

1. Victor Oladipo, Orlando -- 80.0%

2. Cody Zeller, Charlotte -- 10.0%

Also receiving votes: Anthony Bennett, Cleveland; C.J. McCollum, Portland; Andre Roberson, Oklahoma City

Last year: Anthony Davis -- 76.7%

Which rookie will be the best player in five years?

1. Victor Oladipo, Orlando -- 40.0%

2. Cody Zeller, Charlotte -- 13.3%

3. Anthony Bennett, Cleveland; Ben McLemore, Sacramento -- 10.0%

5. Kelly Olynyk, Boston -- 6.7%

Also receiving votes: Steven Adams, Oklahoma City; Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee; Michael Carter-Williams, Philadelphia; Shane Larkin, Dallas; C.J. McCollum, Portland; Nerlens Noel, Philadelphia

Last year: Anthony Davis -- 86.7%

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2. Ben McLemore (7), Sacramento; Nerlens Noel (6), Philadelphia -- 13.8%

4. Steven Adams (12), Oklahoma City; Giannis Antetokounmpo (15), Milwaukee; Trey Burke (9), Utah -- 6.9%

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No mention of Goodwin

Sunsss · Post #290 » by **Sunsss** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:04 am

Really surprised with no mention of him in steal category.

thamadkant · Post #291 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:36 am

Its because Suns dont play Goodwin enough minutes yet...

And he is surrounded by ball hogs and chuckers...

Give him 24 solid minutes, he'd put up 10 points, 3 assists, 3 rebounds and maybe 2-3 steals....

He'd be on that "steal" list in no time.

Frank Lee · Post #292 » by **Frank Lee** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:13 am

Teaser Pleaser wrote:No, the definition of tanking is to lose games on purpose.

Sometimes I forget what limitations you have. Sorry for the extrapolation. Other than gambling, can you tell me 'why' a team would tank ?

Tomorrow we will go over the chicken egg controversy.

Son of Ra · Post #293 » by **Son of Ra** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:29 am

Ummm, shouldn't the real concern be that Len isn't mentioned a single time?

RunDogGun · Post #294 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:15 am

Son of Ra wrote:Ummm, shouldn't the real concern be that Len isn't mentioned a single time?

Not really. He didn't play for a bit, didn't work out for any team, and is still recovering from two surgeries. Time will tell.

I understand that Noel would fit that similar situation, but he was considered the number one pick for quite sometime before the draft, and was he really a steal for Philly? Didn't they give up their best player in Jrue to get him?

Revived · Post #295 » by **Revived** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:53 am

Frank Lee wrote:
Teaser Pleaser wrote:No, the definition of tanking is to lose games on purpose.

Sometimes I forget what limitations you have. Sorry for the extrapolation. Other than gambling, can you tell me 'why' a team would tank ?

Tomorrow we will go over the chicken egg controversy.

Again, you prove you have no legitimate argument or ability to debate like a man instead you resort to person attacks and whatever else.

When are you going to grow up? No seriously, you have been here for so damn long and yet show no improvement. Have you considered taking time off to reflect and then come back few months later?

Whether you or anyone for that matter like it or not, the Suns WILL lose a lot of games this season. You can call it whatever you want but they will lose many, many games.

Frank Lee · Post #296 » by **Frank Lee** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:55 pm

Care to answer the simple question from above ? why do teams 'tank' ? For it seems to be an intentional act, no?

and PS.... thanks for the tips... how bout I just change my name and pretend I wasn't here ?

LukasBMW · Post #297 » by **LukasBMW** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:22 pm

BUMP for Archie.

His numbers are not impressive, but if you have been watching the games, you may have noticed that he has already improved dramatically. He's making better decisions and is far more under control. If he continues to improve at this pace, a Goodwin and Bledsoe back court could be ridiculously sick. Two guys who can get to the bucket at will.

DirtyDez · Post #298 » by **DirtyDez** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:51 pm

Tbh I don't care about his numbers and I wouldn't mind him getting some time in the D-League when Dragic is back. Dude is still a freaking teenager.

LukasBMW · Post #299 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Nov 7, 2013 6:29 pm

DirtyDez wrote:Tbh I don't care about his numbers and I wouldn't mind him getting some time in the D-League when Dragic is back. Dude is still a freaking teenager.

After the Spurs game, it doesn't look like he needs time in the D league.

Take away the Ginobili flop and the out of bounds call before the 3 point shot, and he easily has 7 points in 9 minutes. He looked great out there. Watching him so far is like watching a human develop at 4x the normal growth rate.

DirtyDez · Post #300 » by **DirtyDez** » Thu Nov 7, 2013 7:55 pm

LukasBMW wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:Tbh I don't care about his numbers and I wouldn't mind him getting some time in the D-League when Dragic is back. Dude is still a freaking teenager.

After the Spurs game, it doesn't look like he needs time in the D league.

Take away the Ginobili flop and the out of bounds call before the 3 point shot, and he easily has 7 points in 9 minutes. He looked great out there. Watching him so far is like watching a human develop at 4x the normal growth rate.

I don't think he "needs" minutes in the D-League but when Dragic gets back Archie will probably get stuck behind Green and Smith. I'd rather him be playing then sitting on the bench. Again he's still a teenager.