Alex Len and his future

Post #281 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:57 pm

Definitely have to thank Tyson. I think he's shown Len where the sweet spots are when guards drive. I am definitely enjoying the two man game.

jcsunsfan · Post #282 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:23 pm

In that Memphis highlights clip, Len just seems like much more of a physical presence--just bigger--than Gasol. He seems a bit taller, longer, and wider, especially in the shoulders.

LukasBMW · Post #283 » by **LukasBMW** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:44 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:In that Memphis highlights clip, Len just seems like much more of a physical presence--just bigger--than Gasol. He seems a bit taller, longer, and wider, especially in the shoulders.

He has the strength now. He's built up his shoulders and biceps. He's no longer just tall and skinny. He can push MFers around now. I love it.

8on · Post #284 » by **8on** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:58 pm

Lenny's gonna take over after Tyson retires. he's regained Hornacek's trust, and mine. love this guy......beast potential

Cutter · Post #285 » by **Cutter** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:03 am

Lenny......yikes that nick name definitely doesn't work for Alex. :lol:

kennydorglas · Post #286 » by **kennydorglas** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:07 pm

He needs to refine A LOT his post moves arsenal, but he regained my trust too.

Revived · Post #287 » by **Revived** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:43 am

Noel sure took his vengeance for the Suns on passing on Noel for Len...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MikeSGallagher/status/680963850766794752[/tweet]

Post #288 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:51 am

SF88 wrote:Noel sure took his vengeance for the Suns on passing on Noel for Len...

Try checking out the advanced stats or per 36 for the guys this season. http://bkref.com/tiny/Ey9sj If you don't want to check the link and go with your own agenda, I can tell you what all the #s say.

Revived · Post #289 » by **Revived** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:58 am

bwgood77 wrote:
SF88 wrote:Noel sure took his vengeance for the Suns on passing on Noel for Len...

Try checking out the advanced stats or per 36 for the guys this season. http://bkref.com/tiny/Ey9sj If you don't want to check the link and go with your own agenda, I can tell you what all the #s say.

Easy tiger, I'm not saying Noel's way better than Len or anything. I was talking specifically about that one play, nothing more.

And btw on a general note, per 36 is often regarded as a horrible stat to use because of its flaws. It makes subpar bench players or those who play less minutes look like studs but most of the time if they actually play 36 mins in a game, they don't come close to matching that type of production. This is on a general note, not for comparing Len vs Noel.

Post #290 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:02 am

SF88 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
SF88 wrote:Noel sure took his vengeance for the Suns on passing on Noel for Len...

Try checking out the advanced stats or per 36 for the guys this season. http://bkref.com/tiny/Ey9sj If you don't want to check the link and go with your own agenda, I can tell you what all the #s say.

Easy tiger, I'm not saying Noel's way better than Len or anything. I was talking specifically about that one play, nothing more.

Fair enough. But you can see, Len has been far better this year with that link, which is nice to know.

kennydorglas · Post #291 » by **kennydorglas** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:57 pm

SF88 wrote:Noel sure took his vengeance for the Suns on passing on Noel for Len...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MikeSGallagher/status/680963850766794752[/tweet]

And in the next play, Len tried to post up on Noel and got stripped
I cant even be sorry anymore.

RaisingArizona · Post #292 » by **RaisingArizona** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:17 pm

Len is the new Frye. One good game a week, the rest are a no show.

Revived · Post #293 » by **Revived** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:35 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:Len is the new Frye. One good game a week, the rest are a no show.

He's not that bad yet.

saintEscaton · Post #294 » by **saintEscaton** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:50 pm

Possibly McDuh's biggest mistake. Our only Top 5 pick and he whiffed choosing a low ceiling rich man's Robin Lopez over a perennial DPOY candidate in the mold of Ben Wallace/Larrry Sanders. Len will never develop a refined back to the basket/at the elbow faceup repertoire, has the hands of a dinosaur and still can't consistently drain the midrange J. He was clearly an inferior prospect heading in to the draft with his own injury concerns and unless he proves that he can be a focal point of an offense it was a mistake. His shot blocking is comparable to Noel but he's not close to the defensive savant or rim protector. Noel has gotten off to a slow start due to playing out of position at PF having to pick up for Okafor's slack at the other end. He put up historic numbers last year and in the right situation he will continue to do so.

Post #295 » by **rsavaj** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:23 pm

saintEscaton wrote:Possibly McDuh's biggest mistake. Our only Top 5 pick and he whiffed choosing a low ceiling rich man's Robin Lopez over a perennial DPOY candidate in the mold of Ben Wallace/Larrry Sanders. Len will never develop a refined back to the basket/at the elbow faceup repertoire, has the hands of a dinosaur and still can't consistently drain the midrange J. He was clearly an inferior prospect heading in to the draft with his own injury concerns and unless he proves that he can be a focal point of an offense it was a mistake. His shot blocking is comparable to Noel but he's not close to the defensive savant or rim protector. Noel has gotten off to a slow start due to playing out of position at PF having to pick up for Okafor's slack at the other end. He put up historic numbers last year and in the right situation he will continue to do so.

Len is having a better season than Noel so far. I wanted Noel too and still think he may end up being the better player, but he's being outplayed by Len this year.

Cutter · Post #296 » by **Cutter** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:21 pm

I want to judge Alex after he gets a couple of years straight if heavy playing time. Noel to me is not very impressive right now after playing well last year. The jury is still out on Len as far as I'm concerned.

Funky Tut · Post #297 » by **Funky Tut** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:03 pm

Alex is still young but I just haven't seen anything out of him consistently to show me that he's going to be an elite player in this league. Like many of you, I want to see him with consistent minutes but he's just not blowing me away like I was expecting, I think most of us are waiting on him to take that next step but he just has not yet.

TeamTragic · Post #298 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:15 am

Funky Tut wrote:Alex is still young but I just haven't seen anything out of him consistently to show me that he's going to be an elite player in this league. Like many of you, I want to see him with consistent minutes but he's just not blowing me away like I was expecting, I think most of us are waiting on him to take that next step but he just has not yet.

Exactly. He's a good player. We have a few good players and then the drop off is insane. We need to stop aiming for good and take risks for greatness.

drone3 · Post #299 » by **drone3** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:57 am

saintEscaton wrote:Possibly McDuh's biggest mistake. Our only Top 5 pick and he whiffed choosing a low ceiling rich man's Robin Lopez over a perennial DPOY candidate in the mold of Ben Wallace/Larrry Sanders. Len will never develop a refined back to the basket/at the elbow faceup repertoire, has the hands of a dinosaur and still can't consistently drain the midrange J. He was clearly an inferior prospect heading in to the draft with his own injury concerns and unless he proves that he can be a focal point of an offense it was a mistake. His shot blocking is comparable to Noel but he's not close to the defensive savant or rim protector. Noel has gotten off to a slow start due to playing out of position at PF having to pick up for Okafor's slack at the other end. He put up historic numbers last year and in the right situation he will continue to do so.

That draft class was pretty weak plus Noel was injured. It was an unclear difficult decision to make.

Funky Tut · Post #300 » by **Funky Tut** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:45 am

drone3 wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:Possibly McDuh's biggest mistake. Our only Top 5 pick and he whiffed choosing a low ceiling rich man's Robin Lopez over a perennial DPOY candidate in the mold of Ben Wallace/Larrry Sanders. Len will never develop a refined back to the basket/at the elbow faceup repertoire, has the hands of a dinosaur and still can't consistently drain the midrange J. He was clearly an inferior prospect heading in to the draft with his own injury concerns and unless he proves that he can be a focal point of an offense it was a mistake. His shot blocking is comparable to Noel but he's not close to the defensive savant or rim protector. Noel has gotten off to a slow start due to playing out of position at PF having to pick up for Okafor's slack at the other end. He put up historic numbers last year and in the right situation he will continue to do so.

That draft class was pretty weak plus Noel was injured. It was an unclear difficult decision to make.

It's just fitting that when we finally get a top 5 draft pick, its a weak draft. That is just vintage Phoenix Suns luck.