Devin Booker

[JMac1]

Screw Klay... he has Curry and nobody else will.....


Can Booker be Rip Hamilton ? He seems to have similar tools/size.

This is a pretty good watch from a few years back...
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHcvntjSwog[/youtube]

Shoot coming off of screens like him, I hope so, overall? Please be much better.

[oddity]

That's called an outlier, you want to include an outlier as a predictor....wow!

Sorry, what are you calling an outlier?

I appreciate your honesty. Your Jordan example.

Well yes, exceptions don't change the rule. But those "exceptions" were the rule up until very recently. Like I said before, the one-and-done 19-20 yr old rookie is a relatively new trend, and you would imagine that if coming into the league younger was such an advantage that it would produce better players. Turns out, that isn't the case, as the players now on aggregate are not any better than before. Age has nothing to do with it.

[JMac1]

BWGood. Can we get an age identity tally for posters here? I continually forget there is an age, possible generation gap between posters. Analysis and evaluation of players is pretty universally independent of age for the most part, but there are certain mental processes that evolve due to experience, sometimes I forget that. It would be nice to know what age poster I am corresponding with to help me better understand where they are coming from.

[oddity]

No, that's a bad idea. Because after about puberty, age doesn't matter. The quality of the argument matters.

[JMac1]

Sorry, what are you calling an outlier?

I appreciate your honesty. Your Jordan example.

Well yes, exceptions don't change the rule. But those "exceptions" were the rule up until very recently. Like I said before, the one-and-done 19-20 yr old rookie is a relatively new trend, and you would imagine that if coming into the league younger was such an advantage that it would produce better players. Turns out, that isn't the case, as the players now on aggregate are not any better than before. Age has nothing to do with it.

I'll end it with this. I like you. You have thoughtful posts and use evidence to support them. You are steadfast on your opinions as well, actually, I like that too. You believe that many other variables are more important than age, cool. For me, the first thing I want to know is the person's age, then go from there.

What we use to guide us in our prediction for a player's future development differ, and that's ok.

[JMac1]

No, that's a bad idea. Because after about puberty, age doesn't matter. The quality of the argument matters.

True, I posted that point....so very true. But then some things only come with experience; now that doesn't necessarily mean someone will learn from it and apply it going forward, but it makes a difference.

Edit: Bottom line, we have one helluva player in Booker and if we can add one of Ingram or Simmons we will all be happy.

[oddity]

I appreciate your honesty. Your Jordan example.

Well yes, exceptions don't change the rule. But those "exceptions" were the rule up until very recently. Like I said before, the one-and-done 19-20 yr old rookie is a relatively new trend, and you would imagine that if coming into the league younger was such an advantage that it would produce better players. Turns out, that isn't the case, as the players now on aggregate are not any better than before. Age has nothing to do with it.

I'll end it with this. I like you. You have thoughtful posts and use evidence to support them. You are steadfast on your opinions as well, actually, I like that too. You believe that many other variables are more important than age, cool. For me, the first thing I want to know is the person's age, then go from there.

What we use to guide us in our prediction for a player's future development differ, and that's ok.

Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I also want to say that yes, age is obviously a factor, but we differ on how important it is. I think part of the reason a lot of busts have happened recently is that we hype up a player "and GASP! He's only X years old!" without waiting to see what he actually is as a player. Part of the reason there's this trend of one-and-dones is because players know that teams will fantasize over how much a player will improve, and they don't want to risk not living up to those standards before at least getting 1 big fat pay check. What I'm saying is that players will generally spend anywhere up to 5 years to improve, and plateau after that. This is a huge generality, and there are exceptions, but this is roughly the case. A player that enters the league at 19 and one that enters at 22 in a vacuume will wind up in a very similar place by age 27. If that weren't the case and entering the league younger really impactfuly advantaged you than modern NBA players would be better than the greats (or at least the overall talent level would increase). Actually, it's been the exact opposite, there's a bit of a talent drought (we're improving now, but 5/10 years ago it was pretty bad). I just wanna take the hype out of sports analysis.

And yea, let's simply agree that Booker is a great prospect.

[JMac1]

Well yes, exceptions don't change the rule. But those "exceptions" were the rule up until very recently. Like I said before, the one-and-done 19-20 yr old rookie is a relatively new trend, and you would imagine that if coming into the league younger was such an advantage that it would produce better players. Turns out, that isn't the case, as the players now on aggregate are not any better than before. Age has nothing to do with it.

I'll end it with this. I like you. You have thoughtful posts and use evidence to support them. You are steadfast on your opinions as well, actually, I like that too. You believe that many other variables are more important than age, cool. For me, the first thing I want to know is the person's age, then go from there.

What we use to guide us in our prediction for a player's future development differ, and that's ok.

Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I also want to say that yes, age is obviously a factor, but we differ on how important it is. I think part of the reason a lot of busts have happened recently is that we hype up a player "and GASP! He's only X years old!" without waiting to see what he actually is as a player. Part of the reason there's this trend of one-and-dones is because players know that teams will fantasize over how much a player will improve, and they don't want to risk not living up to those standards before at least getting 1 big fat pay check. What I'm saying is that players will generally spend anywhere up to 5 years to improve, and plateau after that. This is a huge generality, and there are exceptions, but this is roughly the case. A player that enters the league at 19 and one that enters at 22 in a vacuume will wind up in a very similar place by age 27. If that weren't the case and entering the league younger really impactfuly advantaged you than modern NBA players would be better than the greats (or at least the overall talent level would increase). Actually, it's been the exact opposite, there's a bit of a talent drought (we're improving now, but 5/10 years ago it was pretty bad). I just wanna take the hype out of sports analysis.

And yea, let's simply agree that Booker is a great prospect.

I think the big difference is, athletes not named Kobe and KG get lazy. These guys are teenage millionaires and they tend to take the game for granted and not work as hard as a college kid who was not blessed with the same skills at the same age. Yea and most do not reach that hyped level.

[oddity]

Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I also want to say that yes, age is obviously a factor, but we differ on how important it is. I think part of the reason a lot of busts have happened recently is that we hype up a player "and GASP! He's only X years old!" without waiting to see what he actually is as a player. Part of the reason there's this trend of one-and-dones is because players know that teams will fantasize over how much a player will improve, and they don't want to risk not living up to those standards before at least getting 1 big fat pay check. What I'm saying is that players will generally spend anywhere up to 5 years to improve, and plateau after that. This is a huge generality, and there are exceptions, but this is roughly the case. A player that enters the league at 19 and one that enters at 22 in a vacuume will wind up in a very similar place by age 27. If that weren't the case and entering the league younger really impactfuly advantaged you than modern NBA players would be better than the greats (or at least the overall talent level would increase). Actually, it's been the exact opposite, there's a bit of a talent drought (we're improving now, but 5/10 years ago it was pretty bad). I just wanna take the hype out of sports analysis.

And yea, let's simply agree that Booker is a great prospect.

I think the big difference is, athletes not named Kobe and KG get lazy. These guys are teenage millionaires and they tend to take the game for granted and not work as hard as a college kid who was not blessed with the same skills at the same age. Yea and most do not reach that hyped level.

Maybe you're right. I tend to shy away from those arguments because there's no way to prove them, but yea it could be that. I also think it could be that players are more ready for the NBA out of college, with generally more fundamentally sound games. The players who only stay for a single year or less can pretty easily be booted to back of the bench squad (see: Archie Goodwin lol) and are forced to fight an uphill battle their entire careers. We don't really get rookies averaging 20 anymore partially because of that I think.

[Qwigglez]

Do you guys think Booker will regress? I mean with all the scouting on him, do you think he'll end up with less than double figures per game for a several game span?
I personally don't see that happening. I think his floor is at least 10 a game for the rest of the season at least. The kid has a lot of drive.

[JMac1]

Do you guys think Booker will regress? I mean with all the scouting on him, do you think he'll end up with less than double figures per game for a several game span?
I personally don't see that happening. I think his floor is at least 10 a game for the rest of the season at least. The kid has a lot of drive.

There will be a paradigm shift in his stats until he adjusts his game. He going to have to learn how to shoot under pressure and quicken his release without effecting his shot.

[JMac1]

Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I also want to say that yes, age is obviously a factor, but we differ on how important it is. I think part of the reason a lot of busts have happened recently is that we hype up a player "and GASP! He's only X years old!" without waiting to see what he actually is as a player. Part of the reason there's this trend of one-and-dones is because players know that teams will fantasize over how much a player will improve, and they don't want to risk not living up to those standards before at least getting 1 big fat pay check. What I'm saying is that players will generally spend anywhere up to 5 years to improve, and plateau after that. This is a huge generality, and there are exceptions, but this is roughly the case. A player that enters the league at 19 and one that enters at 22 in a vacuume will wind up in a very similar place by age 27. If that weren't the case and entering the league younger really impactfuly advantaged you than modern NBA players would be better than the greats (or at least the overall talent level would increase). Actually, it's been the exact opposite, there's a bit of a talent drought (we're improving now, but 5/10 years ago it was pretty bad). I just wanna take the hype out of sports analysis.

And yea, let's simply agree that Booker is a great prospect.

I think the big difference is, athletes not named Kobe and KG get lazy. These guys are teenage millionaires and they tend to take the game for granted and not work as hard as a college kid who was not blessed with the same skills at the same age. Yea and most do not reach that hyped level.

Maybe you're right. I tend to shy away from those arguments because there's no way to prove them, but yea it could be that. I also think it could be that players are more ready for the NBA out of college, with generally more fundamentally sound games. The players who only stay for a single year or less can pretty easily be booted to back of the bench squad (see: Archie Goodwin lol) and are forced to fight an uphill battle their entire careers. We don't really get rookies averaging 20 anymore partially because of that I think.

Its 2016. You know who is in the gym and who is in the club. Who is eating healthy and who is smoking weed.

[jcsunsfan]

No, that's a bad idea. Because after about puberty, age doesn't matter. The quality of the argument matters.

Years of observation and experience to matter.

[Qwigglez]

Screw Klay... he has Curry and nobody else will.....


Can Booker be Rip Hamilton ? He seems to have similar tools/size.

This is a pretty good watch from a few years back...
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHcvntjSwog[/youtube]

Since you're old Frank, here's an updated version.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCxUsTzIbvg[/youtube]

[Qwigglez]

Some more Devin Booker for those who can't get enough.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LDiP52EhpI[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bEESVjCDu0[/youtube]

[Qwigglez]

So this is pretty sweet. Says executive produced by Steve Nash.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjXQGewGpBM[/youtube]

[blacksun]

No DBook in the Rising Stars Challenge?

[ATTL]

With how arbitrarily they put people onto the international team I'm surprised he's not listed as international.

[blacksun]

So this is pretty sweet. Says executive produced by Steve Nash.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjXQGewGpBM[/youtube]

Great find! It does seem like we hear more about Chandler's leadership from Book rather than Len. Its like hes taking him under his wings. And it so weird coz as fans like us, typing away in message boards, when we think of mentors for specific young players, they always should play the same position. But in reality, most things the young guys pick up from veterans have little to do with the X's and O's but more about the lifestyle, attitude, work ethic etc. Its fascinating to see what it looks like from inside, on what a young team that's losing is like.

It makes me think that if were continuing the rebuild route through the draft, we wont really approach the salary cap for three or four years because we have a lot of young guys. Then, i think keeping Tyson Chandler might be a good idea.

[Qwigglez]

Another Devin Booker story...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o0spT1t79U[/youtube]

He's gonna be the next Kobe!