Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

[Qwigglez]

The Suns DO NOT need to bring a SG. Play Booker!!!!!! I would be pissed if Suns brought in a SG after drafting Booker. Get rid of Tucker too, no reason for him. Do not want to see 1 on 3 fastbreaks anymore.


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If you don't like 1 on 3 fastbreaks you don't like Phoenix Suns basketball!

[Jdiddy701]

The Suns DO NOT need to bring a SG. Play Booker!!!!!! I would be pissed if Suns brought in a SG after drafting Booker. Get rid of Tucker too, no reason for him. Do not want to see 1 on 3 fastbreaks anymore.


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If you don't like 1 on 3 fastbreaks you don't like Phoenix Suns basketball!

PJ Tucker on a fastbreak is not Phoenix Suns basketball. That's an accident waiting to happen.


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[Mulhollanddrive]

Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Lee, Chandler is a solid team.

Can't be worse than rebuilding with 13th picks.

[Nando88]

I got a feeling archie is gonna complain this coming season


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[AtheJ415]

Kanter is the worst defensive big I've ever seen. He shouldn't start over anyone. For all the crap people give Markieff for his D--Kanter is SOOO much worse.

come on dude Drew Gooden, Carlos boozer and David Lee are being disrespected in this post.

Kanter's career high DWS is 2.1. Lee has hit 3.6 a couple times at least. And Kanter is playing heavy minutes.

[thamadkant]

I got a feeling archie is gonna complain this coming season


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How?
Green, Thornton, Bullock are not on the roster.

And his competition is 18 years old who wont be ready until after All-Star break.

Besides, Goodwin plays PG minutes too, probably some SF minutes if he bulks up enough.

[RunDogGun]

Man, I go and check out some fireworks, and this place goes loco.

I like the idea of Seriphin on the cheap as a backup.

Did anything else happen, beside possibly the best counter argument of global warning to pirate ratio? And it even came with a graph.

[TeamTragic]

Oh boy. Let's start small. I provided two stats from last season regarding the backcourt of Bledsoe and Knight. This is actual data that occurred on the court, not speculation about the future. I even put them in bold. Let's look at one of these and see where (or if) you disagree and why.

In net points per 100 possessions, the combination of Bledsoe-Knight averaged -2.9. To compare, Bledsoe-Dragic was +2.8 and Bledsoe-IT was +4.4. Here are starting NBA two-man combinations charted:



As you can see, -2.9 is quite a way to the wrong side of that line. Obviously the sample size is small, but that's the data so far. So we certainly don't "know that our back court is still one of the best in basketball". In fact, the empirical evidence so far clearly gives us reason to doubt that.

Next, we might discuss the statistics of how Brandon Knight affected his teammates while playing with the Bucks. But let's start with the above data for now.

I think we need to give this backcourt a chance and not judge it based on a few games after a madness based trade deadline switch. That isn't good data, and you have to know it.

Nope. It's already been pre-determined. The past=the future. Trading Isaiah Thomas and Goran for Knight means our backcourt now sucks because Knight didn't come in and play as well immediately as those guys who had a full offseason to work together. We'd be one of the worst teams in the league if not for the almighty Tyson Chandler, who is so good that he will single-handedly pull us into playoff contention, and so now we are forced to alter the entire course of our team's strategy due to the almighty Tyson. Hell, our backcourt sucks, and Len, Kieff, and Tucker suck too, and yet we can't tank because Tyson Chandler is THAT good.

And I can prove it with stats.

Here's what else I can definitively prove with stats based on similar faulty causal logic:

This just has POTY written all over it. Well done sir

[Mr-Al]

You're the best RayRay

Side note: The Favors rumors are in 99% likelihood bullshite, but they would at least have to consider

Bled + Kieff for Favors + salary


They want to make the playoffs soon and Exum is 2-3 years away from being impactful; Trey Burke is trash and Alec isn't a PG

Bledsoe/Trey
Alec Burkes/Exum
Hayward/Hood
Kieff/Lyles
Gobert

That lineup would immediately be better than the one they have now (better than us probably) playoffs for sure. Unlikely, but it makes sense for both teams

Knight/Someone
Goodwin/Booker
Warren/Tucker
Favors/Len
Chandler/Len

That's a lineup that I like a whole lot and it's much more balanced than whatever we have now and for the future. Just sign a backup PG, backup 4, and you're good to go. Weakest position would be SG, but maybe Tucker or Warren slide over and spend some time there. Would picks have to be included, maybe, I don't know.


Favors is only **** 23 and is on a great contract. Again, tells you how unlikely the trade is, but it's not preposterous

Considering that we're not getting Durant and next year's FA's aren't very good, the only way we make major changes has to be through trades since we're too mediocre to get really high picks. Kieff's value isn't very high, but combined with Bledsoe, it's worth a look to teams. Rumors were that Bledsoe is in decently high demand around the league. He fits the Jazz's style of play too

With Burkes coming back (he only played 4% of the time at PG in 2014) and Bledsoe, the Jazz win a lot more games next year considering that was their biggest issue last season. The problem is that they will probably want to roll with what they have at least until Febuary since their record was so good after the deadline last season

[nevetsov]

Bledsoe AND Kieff AND picks for Favors? Yeesh.

[Mr-Al]

Bledsoe AND Kieff AND picks for Favors? Yeesh.

You can't get a 23 year old two-way PF with potential and a great contract for just peanuts and loose change

Also taking into to account that there's little pressure for UTA to actually move him, chances are they laugh at this deal

Bled is our best trade asset, but he's not netting any future all-stars by himself, Kieff is almost definitely going to be included

The picks are debatable, but I would ask for them if I were the Jazz. This is our only avenue for future contention barring large, large scale internal improvement

[TASTIC]

Kieff, Len, CLE 1st for Griffin.

[m1chal]

Why would the Clips do it? Unless you mean Taylor Griffin.

[Qwigglez]

Kieff, Len, CLE 1st for Griffin.

Definitely would take more than the 30th pick in next year's draft to pry away Blake Griffin.

[Djedefre]

After 2013/2014 season, how many teams in the league were a more desirable option for bigger names? Insane w/l ratio for such a humble roster, with no obvious star, and a bunch of guys that provide a healthy background. We were absolutely a hit. Yet, we ended up with fake Zeke. No, unfortunately, it isn't just winning games that brings top tier players.

About our chances to reach 7th or 8th seed - it is just a dream. Chandler will help the team do better than the last season, i'm convinced, but to expect that it will be enough in the west conf... Maybe if one of the Bledsoe/Knight/Warren explode because only PF that we could land that will make a difference is Favors (and for that we'd have to renounce Bled - circle again). All the others would be simple fillers.

[PhxSunsFan13]

I wonder if the Suns would have enough to pull off a trade for Kenneth Faried.

[Blackification]

After 2013/2014 season, how many teams in the league were a more desirable option for bigger names? Insane w/l ratio for such a humble roster, with no obvious star, and a bunch of guys that provide a healthy background. We were absolutely a hit. Yet, we ended up with fake Zeke. No, unfortunately, it isn't just winning games that brings top tier players.

About our chances to reach 7th or 8th seed - it is just a dream. Chandler will help the team do better than the last season, i'm convinced, but to expect that it will be enough in the west conf... Maybe if one of the Bledsoe/Knight/Warren explode because only PF that we could land that will make a difference is Favors (and for that we'd have to renounce Bled - circle again). All the others would be simple fillers.

You know what's crazy? How many players from that 13/14 team are still here? Kieff, Bledsoe, Goodwin, Len, Tucker, and is that it? Len and Goodwin barely played that season and Bledsoe was only there half of it.

[Mr-Al]

I wonder if the Suns would have enough to pull off a trade for Kenneth Faried.

a pack of M&M's and a coupon to the Olive Garden should get it done

[Saberestar]

Well, like many others here, I'm a little bit depressed after LMA's news. He was always a long-shot, I knew that, but hope is always a good feeling to have and right now I don't have hope about signing a great player that can put this team on the playoffs the next few years.

Barring a big trade, I am gonna talk about the 3 real possible additions that we can make to improve (slightly) this team with some cheap FAs.

Kevin Seraphin. 25 years old and has Rich Paul like his agent. Enough said, he wants the max for sure.
This guy is not a bad player, but if he wants more than $$3-4M per year I would pass. He has not too much upside, I think he is strictly a C in the NBA right now, he has not range on his shot and not a big leaper or quick defender.

Jordan Hill. He is a good big to come of the bench and play around 25 minutes per game like a third big man on a good team. I see him having exactly the same value around the league like Markieff, he is different but similar in that regard. He probably is too expensive and he will not play enough minutes here with Chandler, Len and Markieff. I'd pay him $7M per year, not more than that....he can be a trade option later.

Luc Mbah a Moute. I like this player playing PF for us. He is very good defensively and he can cover multiple positions, very good rotating and helping. Offensively he is not that bad, he can make some open shots, cuts, and works hard on the offensive glass. I would offer him $16M / 3 years.... he is my choice to spend our money and improve the team.

[sunskerr]

The rotation on the front line seems set for this season. It will change if we can eventually sign or trade for a star. We just need to keep doing what we're doing: being young and acquiring more trade pieces.