Game 16: Golden State Warriors (16-0) @ Phoenix Suns (7-8)

kennydorglas · Post #281 » by **kennydorglas** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:05 pm

Nothing much we can do when Curry is ready to play
Right now, u just need to pray for some bad sleep/hangover night with him.

It amazes me that even when he miss... his arc is so good that creates an easy off reb for them.
He's a cheat code and nobody can hang with him.

RunDogGun · Post #282 » by **RunDogGun** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:54 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
1UPZ wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Why? Warren got 35 minutes tonight, and Tucker only got 16. Does it really matter who starts?

Yes.

Reward the player putting up the effort, showing talent and absolutely outplaying the guy supposedly ahead of him.

Warren is a 20ppg type talent as a starter and an offensive option. He will also draw defenses away from Bledsoe and Knight, making it easier for them.

Starting roles are given to those that deserve it.

You normally want your best players on the court to set the tone early. You don't see the Warriors rolling out with Ian Clark & LB to start do you?

Isn't Iggy coming off the bench? Wasn't he the finals MVP? Maybe the Dubs don't know what they are doing?

gaspar · Post #283 » by **gaspar** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:05 pm

Stop overrating Warren so much. He's a really nice prospect and he could be our starting SF in the future, if he keeps working on his game, but right now he's just a SF version of Kevin Martin. Yes, he can score points in a hurry, but he doesn't bring much else that helps you win games. No defense, passing or (defensive) rebounding.

LukasBMW · Post #284 » by **LukasBMW** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:06 pm

Wow. The Warriors are good. Really really good.

I'm not surprised Suns fans were cheering for them. They put on a show we haven't seen since the SSOL days of 2004-2005.

And Curry...the poster above me has it right. Curry is a cheat code in NBA2k or even NBA Jam "He's on fire!"

RunDogGun · Post #285 » by **RunDogGun** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:06 pm

1UPZ wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Suns should move Warren to the starting lineup now.... trade Morris....maybe Tucker too.

Why? Warren got 35 minutes tonight, and Tucker only got 16. Does it really matter who starts?

Yes.

Reward the player putting up the effort, showing talent and absolutely outplaying the guy supposedly ahead of him.

Warren is a 20ppg type talent as a starter and an offensive option. He will also draw defenses away from Bledsoe and Knight, making it easier for them.

Starting roles are given to those that deserve it.

They have been rewarding the players putting forth the effort. Right now we need the offense coming from the bench. Warren got twice as many minutes as Tucker, you should be happy with that. Not only that but Booker got 25 mins, while Morris only got 17.

RunDogGun · Post #286 » by **RunDogGun** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:08 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Wow. The Warriors are good. Really really good.

I'm not surprised Suns fans were cheering for them. They put on a show we haven't seen since the SSOL days of 2004-2005.

And Curry...the poster above me has it right. Curry is a cheat code in NBA2k or even NBA Jam "He's on fire!"

Those weren't Suns fans.

alldayeveryday · Post #287 » by **alldayeveryday** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:19 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:Wow. The Warriors are good. Really really good.

I'm not surprised Suns fans were cheering for them. They put on a show we haven't seen since the SSOL days of 2004-2005.

And Curry...the poster above me has it right. Curry is a cheat code in NBA2k or even NBA Jam "He's on fire!"

Those weren't Suns fans.

+1 - I was at the game, lots of Dub fans for sure. Pretty good people as well, not cocky sob's like Laker/Bulls fans.

Great game, even though we lose :nonono:

PackSuns · Post #288 » by **PackSuns** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:09 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
1UPZ wrote:

Yes.

Reward the player putting up the effort, showing talent and absolutely outplaying the guy supposedly ahead of him.

Warren is a 20ppg type talent as a starter and an offensive option. He will also draw defenses away from Bledsoe and Knight, making it easier for them.

Starting roles are given to those that deserve it.

You normally want your best players on the court to set the tone early. You don't see the Warriors rolling out with Ian Clark & LB to start do you?

Isn't Iggy coming off the bench? Wasn't he the finals MVP? Maybe the Dubs don't know what they are doing?

Iggy started the final 3 games of the finals when he won MVP. Also, I wouldn't make a correlation between this years Suns team and last years NBA champs. Not really apples to apples. If we had that many weapons then we wouldn't have this discussion. TJ deserves to be on the court.

PackSuns · Post #289 » by **PackSuns** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:10 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
1UPZ wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Why? Warren got 35 minutes tonight, and Tucker only got 16. Does it really matter who starts?

Yes.

Reward the player putting up the effort, showing talent and absolutely outplaying the guy supposedly ahead of him.

Warren is a 20ppg type talent as a starter and an offensive option. He will also draw defenses away from Bledsoe and Knight, making it easier for them.

Starting roles are given to those that deserve it.

They have been rewarding the players putting forth the effort. Right now we need the offense coming from the bench. Warren got twice as many minutes as Tucker, you should be happy with that. Not only that but Booker got 25 mins, while Morris only got 17.

This was by far the most minutes TJ has played in a game this year. I don't care if he starts as long he gets 30-35 mins.

PackSuns · Post #290 » by **PackSuns** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:12 pm

gaspar wrote:Stop overrating Warren so much. He's a really nice prospect and he could be our starting SF in the future, if he keeps working on his game, but right now he's just a SF version of Kevin Martin. Yes, he can score points in a hurry, but he doesn't bring much else that helps you win games. No defense, passing or (defensive) rebounding.

Would you play TJ or PJ more minutes?

Saberestar · Post #291 » by **Saberestar** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:17 pm

gaspar wrote:Stop overrating Warren so much. He's a really nice prospect and he could be our starting SF in the future, if he keeps working on his game, but right now he's just a SF version of Kevin Martin. Yes, he can score points in a hurry, but he doesn't bring much else that helps you win games. No defense, passing or (defensive) rebounding.

He is one of the few players on our team that brings excitement and has huge upside. His defense is better and better with every game...he is average at that already, not a liability by any means. Passing the ball he makes the easy pass and doesn't make mistakes, that is more than other players do.

He has to gain strength to be a better rebounder defensively, he loses his position near the basket too easy, but is something that is not a big deal because he is really young and his hard work and effort are there.

RaisingArizona · Post #292 » by **RaisingArizona** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:19 pm

gaspar wrote:Stop overrating Warren so much. He's a really nice prospect and he could be our starting SF in the future, if he keeps working on his game, but right now he's just a SF version of Kevin Martin. Yes, he can score points in a hurry, but he doesn't bring much else that helps you win games. No defense, passing or (defensive) rebounding.

Have you seen Tucker play lately? He does none of those things you mentioned.

RaisingArizona · Post #293 » by **RaisingArizona** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:28 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
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Bill Hornacek. He didn't have his team prepared to play, again.

They actually played pretty well, despite their leader going out early. They are a historic team and we are a work in process.

They doubled our score in the first quarter.

RunDogGun · Post #294 » by **RunDogGun** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:40 pm

PackSuns wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
You normally want your best players on the court to set the tone early. You don't see the Warriors rolling out with Ian Clark & LB to start do you?

Isn't Iggy coming off the bench? Wasn't he the finals MVP? Maybe the Dubs don't know what they are doing?

Iggy started the final 3 games of the finals when he won MVP. Also, I wouldn't make a correlation between this years Suns team and last years NBA champs. Not really apples to apples. If we had that many weapons then we wouldn't have this discussion. TJ deserves to be on the court.

The point is Iggy is a player who won the award, yet he comes off the bench after receiving the award just months ago. Warren was on the court, and twice as long as Tucker.

RunDogGun · Post #295 » by **RunDogGun** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:45 pm

PackSuns wrote:
gaspar wrote:Stop overrating Warren so much. He's a really nice prospect and he could be our starting SF in the future, if he keeps working on his game, but right now he's just a SF version of Kevin Martin. Yes, he can score points in a hurry, but he doesn't bring much else that helps you win games. No defense, passing or (defensive) rebounding.

Would you play TJ or PJ more minutes?

It would depend on the situation, and who was playing well, and what was needed. Why do we have to argue about them? I'm not worried about who starts. I really like Warren coming off the bench, because on most days, he doesn't have a problem scoring coming off the bench. I really want Bledsoe and Knight taking the most shots from our starting unit, and TJ taking the most off the bench. It seems pretty simple to me.

Post #296 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:52 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Bill Hornacek. He didn't have his team prepared to play, again.

They actually played pretty well, despite their leader going out early. They are a historic team and we are a work in process.

They doubled our score in the first quarter.

They were 10 shy of doubling the score at the first qtr mark. They did hit 9 3s on 75%. Not much you can do about that. We could have closed out on 3s better, but Bled was on Curry most of the time. We are a young team facing a team playing at a historic level, and they started off even hotter than usual.

The team usually gets off to pretty good starts.

PackSuns · Post #297 » by **PackSuns** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:55 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
PackSuns wrote:
gaspar wrote:Stop overrating Warren so much. He's a really nice prospect and he could be our starting SF in the future, if he keeps working on his game, but right now he's just a SF version of Kevin Martin. Yes, he can score points in a hurry, but he doesn't bring much else that helps you win games. No defense, passing or (defensive) rebounding.

Would you play TJ or PJ more minutes?

It would depend on the situation, and who was playing well, and what was needed. Why do we have to argue about them? I'm not worried about who starts. I really like Warren coming off the bench, because on most days, he doesn't have a problem scoring coming off the bench. I really want Bledsoe and Knight taking the most shots from our starting unit, and TJ taking the most off the bench. It seems pretty simple to me.

Who's arguing? I posed a simple question. I want our most efficient scorer shooting the most shots. I don't care if he comes off the bench but he should be playing the majority of the mins. Not doing so would be a disservice to the team and fans.

Post #298 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:01 pm

Why the hell are people griping about Warren not playing when he played 35 minutes? If he started he probably wouldn't get nearly as many opportunities and our bench would be so awful offensively that we would get into a big hole whenever we went to the bench. We already have that problem sometimes WITH Warren in there. We blew a huge lead the other night when our subs came in.

He's going to start sometime. Sometimes it makes sense to bring your second or third best scorer off the bench, like when OKC did with Harden or the Spurs with Ginobili. I also like that him and Booker both have a good handle because I'm getting a little tired of Ronnie Price. I don't mind Warren bring the ball up with the 2nd unit or Booker, but I sure as hell don't want Tucker doing it.

I wouldn't mind starting Warren AND Tucker though and bringing Kieff off the bench. Maybe he'd get his scoring touch back on subs and could basically be that sixth man where he was a stud.

Post #299 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:06 pm

PackSuns wrote:Who's arguing? I posed a simple question. I want our most efficient scorer shooting the most shots. I don't care if he comes off the bench but he should be playing the majority of the mins. Not doing so would be a disservice to the team and fans.

But why are you bringing this up when Warren HAS played more minutes in the last two games and over twice as many last night?

RaisingArizona · Post #300 » by **RaisingArizona** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:28 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
They actually played pretty well, despite their leader going out early. They are a historic team and we are a work in process.

They doubled our score in the first quarter.

They were 10 shy of doubling the score at the first qtr mark. They did hit 9 3s on 75%. Not much you can do about that. We could have closed out on 3s better, but Bled was on Curry most of the time. We are a young team facing a team playing at a historic level, and they started off even hotter than usual.

The team usually gets off to pretty good starts.

haha, math fail on my part. Thanks for the correction. And you're probably right, I'm just tired of getting blown out.