2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation

[bwgood77]

Still nothing firm on the Sarver story. In this day of age that means more smoke than fire. Also the strong response (wording, etc) from his team probably means that they have a lot of info about it and some (most of the big allegations) are false, or they can fight them easy. They will too, and he likely will not be forced to sell...

So what likely happened is that Bobby is just a giant gaping aaaahole (what we all know). He probably offended a lot of people during his tenure here, and some of those people were women, or asians/jews/LGBT/black/latino. Some of them felt that his insults and his actions towards them was some kind of racism, or phobia. By now enough of these stories have piled up that somebody tried to make it into something that its not (really, maaaybe a bit but you can't prove it as he is an arrogant jerk towards everybody, not just minorities). That's why ESPN is not airing the story - they probably never will, or it will just be a watered down something about how Bobby is not the nicest human being. We'll be stuck with him for longer, as the media boys have cried wolf one too many times.

About possible new owners: not sure I'd like either. Maybe Bezos if he just doesn't care about us enough, just dumps the cash on the franchise and let's the basketball people do their thing. I'd see more of a chance of that with him than Musk. I've seen somebody mention the Saudi, as they go all out in soccer nowadays... True, but the thing is that they only do that for diplomacy, they have been trying to get back on the right side of public eye since they slaughtered and butchered a reporter into pieces and moved his pieces in suitcases so they wouldn't get caught with the body... on the orders of their Sheik who might have been watching this whole thing live... not something I'd love my team to be associated with, even tho the money they shell out is crazy...

They probably know some of the allegations because I'm sure ESPN asked Sarver to comment, but they won't have gotten a copy of the sources, the receipts so to speak. Sarver may think he can beat it based on what the reporter asked him to comment on, but if texts, emails, phone calls, etc. come out it's hard to deny those and he won't know what the report has backing it as of yet.

Additionally the guy who is behind the story, Baxter Holmes, is a pretty legit journalist and not a publicity hound.

The reason nothing has come out yet is because ESPN is likely sitting with their legal team and Holmes and triple checking his sources to make sure if it goes to print that it is rock solid and can insulate them from any kind of retaliatory legal action. In other words, he can't publish if it's just some anonymous sources, he needs these people to stand by their statements about Sarver publicly otherwise the story can't go out because they'll lose in court. That's going to take time if what Gambo said is true and 50 people were interviewed for the story.

What's interesting to me is that the story itself wasn't leaked, but the idea that the story EXISTED leaked. This seems like a favor to Sarver as it lets him get in front of it, get his ducks in a row, prepare his defense, etc. and sows doubt about its veracity before the story has even come out.

Just look at the board, when the story broke we were all like, okay Bobby S time's up seeya. Now it's swung completely the opposite after his statement where most people are saying yeah, he's going to beat it and stick around.

I dont know whether the allegations are true, but the idea of a story existing being leaked and not the story itself, to me, screams that Sarver leaked the story (probably once he was asked to comment) to give him the chance to control the narrative before any of the actual allegations come to light.

Here is what makes me think they have a copy or at least somehow have portions they have been given to comment on specific situations.

This part, assuming Baxter Holmes is behind gathering the info for a long time it seems, has been harrassing employees and former employees apparently for weeks, so Flex knowing something, even if he did (which seriously, if he knew a week ago he wouldn't have been able to help himself saying SOMETHING even just "Something big is coming soon, not a trade or anything regarding players...I can't say what..stay tuned...gotta protect my sources so can't give too many details"

But back to the response and the way they attacked Holmes.....who apparently got SO invested in this story that he wanted to hound people long enough to get ANYthing to back up what he wanted to back up and make things sound worse than they actually are, according to Crowley:

"I will simply say that we are aware of the false narratives it contains, and plan to respond accordingly. This story is completely outrageous and false. It doesn’t represent – at all – the Robert Sarver I’ve worked alongside of for 15 years. He’s not a racist and he’s not a sexist. I will also say that reporter in this instance has shown a reckless disregard for the truth. He has harassed employees, former employees, and family members; used truths, half-truths and rumors to manufacture a story in which he’s heavily invested and then perpetuate a completely false narrative within the sports industry to back it up. His tactics throughout this process have been without any basis in journalism ethics or even morality.”"

https://www.nba.com/suns/statements-robert-sarver-james-jones-and-jason-rowley

[bwgood77]

Back to potential new owners, which I can't say I'm necessarily pulling for if Sarver can somehow get past this without long term rumors following him around, which I know is difficult. Not because I like Sarver, but because we are coming off a finals appearance with a nice front office and coaching staff, new practice arena, etc...so why blow it up NOW outside of this news? The grass is certainly not always greener and it would be hard to be, particularly now with where the team is.

But why do people keep going to Bezos and Musk, with really NO ties to Phx and really involved in multiple other areas?

Why not people with ties to Phoenix? How about young Ernest Garcia III, the richest man in AZ, worth $7.4 billion?

Or one of the other richest people in AZ?

Ernest Garcia III, used cars, $7.4B
Mark Shoen, U-Haul, $3.9B
E. Joe Shoen, U-Haul, $3.5B
Arturo Moreno, billboards & Los Angeles Angels owner, $3.4B (maybe not him already being an owner)
George Kurtz, security software, $3.0B
Bennett Dorrance, Campbell's Soup, $2.9B
Steward Horejsi & family, Berkshire Hathaway, $2.3B

https://patch.com/arizona/across-az/these-arizona-billionaires-are-among-richest-u-s-forbes

Ernest Garcia, given his business or the Schoen brothers, seem like the best bets..the Schoen's are in Phx and Joe is a Harvard grad. Between the 2 of them, they have 4 children, probably in their early 40s...Joe with two sons, and the other two children are daughters, so they could pass the team on to them, or the younger brothers could own the Suns outright with their share (I believe).

[Ghost of Kleine]

Duane Rankin (@DuaneRankin) Tweeted:
"We control what we can control."

Chris Paul, Devin Booker and Mikal Bridges talk about staying focused on #Lakers game after allegations were directed at #Suns team owner Robert Sarver. https://t.co/gMxVUKuPA4

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Our POF! The 6'8 Klay Thompson


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[bwgood77]

Quite frankly it's been clear for a few years (and even before Monty) that the way we're playing basketball does not require Ayton to develop any real offensive skills. He's just a rim runner right now. Idk if that's his ultimate offensive ceiling (it at the very least looks like it could be), but if Ayton wants to see if he can grow his game, he himself might need to look elsewhere unless the team (while trying to contend) gives him a longer leash to try any handles/moves he may have been working on.

To take part of your post in response to my possible thoughts on a potential Shai for Ayton trade..in relation to Ayton developing offensive skills and only being a rim runner...and not being able to try any handles/moves he may have been working on

He does have some moves and did quite a few of them two years ago, and at times last year showed more, but on fewer occasions with Paul and Booker, who dominated more of the shots as Ayton's dropped from almost 15 to 10 as his points went from 18.2 to 14.4, despite higher efficiency.

It's pretty clear given he scored over 16ppg as a rookie and over 18ppg as a 2nd year guy that he could have gotten to 20 last year and likely more this year, had his # of shots remained the same, given the higher efficiency (though I know sometimes the fewer the shots the easier it is to achieve higher efficiency). However, the more shots he takes, the better he probably gets at it. And had his shots INCREASED in addition to this, I imagine he would score even more than the low 20s given he was already above 18ppg with Rubio and over 16ppg with crap PGs.

Check out a lot of the moves here...some are just finishes but many are nice offensive moves. This was more with Rubio who wasn't taking as many shots, but he showed some nice things, some of which I'm sure he has worked on more. He just doesn't get the ball much outside of pick and rolls, which are great, but he has some things in his bag and can create his own shot if given the opportunity, but when he establishes position and puts his arm up, he is often ignored and when he might get it, later after being ignored for awhile, it takes a while to get into that rhythm just as it did Booker for his first game and a half, despite getting a lot of shots and staring slowly in game 1 and the first half of game 2.

But just take a few minutes to look and let me know if you still think he is uncapable of creating shots on his own.

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[Mulhollanddrive]

Payne out tonight.

Probably see Elfrid and Booker together again.

[sunskerr]

To take part of your post in response to my possible thoughts on a potential Shai for Ayton trade..in relation to Ayton developing offensive skills and only being a rim runner...and not being able to try any handles/moves he may have been working on

He does have some moves and did quite a few of them two years ago, and at times last year showed more, but on fewer occasions with Paul and Booker, who dominated more of the shots as Ayton's dropped from almost 15 to 10 as his points went from 18.2 to 14.4, despite higher efficiency.

It's pretty clear given he scored over 16ppg as a rookie and over 18ppg as a 2nd year guy that he could have gotten to 20 last year and likely more this year, had his # of shots remained the same, given the higher efficiency (though I know sometimes the fewer the shots the easier it is to achieve higher efficiency). However, the more shots he takes, the better he probably gets at it. And had his shots INCREASED in addition to this, I imagine he would score even more than the low 20s given he was already above 18ppg with Rubio and over 16ppg with crap PGs.

Check out a lot of the moves here...some are just finishes but many are nice offensive moves. This was more with Rubio who wasn't taking as many shots, but he showed some nice things, some of which I'm sure he has worked on more. He just doesn't get the ball much outside of pick and rolls, which are great, but he has some things in his bag and can create his own shot if given the opportunity, but when he establishes position and puts his arm up, he is often ignored and when he might get it, later after being ignored for awhile, it takes a while to get into that rhythm just as it did Booker for his first game and a half, despite getting a lot of shots and staring slowly in game 1 and the first half of game 2.

But just take a few minutes to look and let me know if you still think he is uncapable of creating shots on his own.

He does have some moves. It's just the question of whether or not he's good enough to do those things to the benefit of the team, or whether or not he's good enough at those things for us to go to them instead of another player. That is imo, the standard you have to meet when evaluating whether or not a player can "create their own shot".

I always have a hard time answering "yes" to this question because quite frankly, although you can post highlight videos of great finishes and post ups, we haven't really seen any indication of any growing ball handling ability from Ayton like, at all. At this point in the NBA's meta, any player who doesn't handle the ball and shoot the 3 (thankfully he's taking a few finally, so we'll see how that works) will never be able to reach elite offensive heights.

[bwgood77]

To take part of your post in response to my possible thoughts on a potential Shai for Ayton trade..in relation to Ayton developing offensive skills and only being a rim runner...and not being able to try any handles/moves he may have been working on

He does have some moves and did quite a few of them two years ago, and at times last year showed more, but on fewer occasions with Paul and Booker, who dominated more of the shots as Ayton's dropped from almost 15 to 10 as his points went from 18.2 to 14.4, despite higher efficiency.

It's pretty clear given he scored over 16ppg as a rookie and over 18ppg as a 2nd year guy that he could have gotten to 20 last year and likely more this year, had his # of shots remained the same, given the higher efficiency (though I know sometimes the fewer the shots the easier it is to achieve higher efficiency). However, the more shots he takes, the better he probably gets at it. And had his shots INCREASED in addition to this, I imagine he would score even more than the low 20s given he was already above 18ppg with Rubio and over 16ppg with crap PGs.

Check out a lot of the moves here...some are just finishes but many are nice offensive moves. This was more with Rubio who wasn't taking as many shots, but he showed some nice things, some of which I'm sure he has worked on more. He just doesn't get the ball much outside of pick and rolls, which are great, but he has some things in his bag and can create his own shot if given the opportunity, but when he establishes position and puts his arm up, he is often ignored and when he might get it, later after being ignored for awhile, it takes a while to get into that rhythm just as it did Booker for his first game and a half, despite getting a lot of shots and staring slowly in game 1 and the first half of game 2.

But just take a few minutes to look and let me know if you still think he is uncapable of creating shots on his own.

He does have some moves. It's just the question of whether or not he's good enough to do those things to the benefit of the team, or whether or not he's good enough at those things for us to go to them instead of another player. That is imo, the standard you have to meet when evaluating whether or not a player can "create their own shot".

I always have a hard time answering "yes" to this question because quite frankly, although you can post highlight videos of great finishes and post ups, we haven't really seen any indication of any growing ball handling ability from Ayton like, at all. At this point in the NBA's meta, any player who doesn't handle the ball and shoot the 3 (thankfully he's taking a few finally, so we'll see how that works) will never be able to reach elite offensive heights.

I think we haven't seen any growth from a couple years ago for a few reasons. He gets the ball a lot less. They don't utilize him that way with two GREAT midrange scorers, but use him as a pick and roll finisher mostly...outside of a few shots down low, and because they (and seemingly he) wanted for him to focus primarily on improving his defense last year, which he did.

As a rookie he scored over 16 on almost 61% TS% so he is an efficient go to guy and can be that as a main part of the offense if they would utilize it more..

But he still attracts so much defensive attention that he helps tremendously on offense, since opposing teams no he was so efficient last year and don't want to give up the easy stuff.

[sunskerr]

To take part of your post in response to my possible thoughts on a potential Shai for Ayton trade..in relation to Ayton developing offensive skills and only being a rim runner...and not being able to try any handles/moves he may have been working on

He does have some moves and did quite a few of them two years ago, and at times last year showed more, but on fewer occasions with Paul and Booker, who dominated more of the shots as Ayton's dropped from almost 15 to 10 as his points went from 18.2 to 14.4, despite higher efficiency.

It's pretty clear given he scored over 16ppg as a rookie and over 18ppg as a 2nd year guy that he could have gotten to 20 last year and likely more this year, had his # of shots remained the same, given the higher efficiency (though I know sometimes the fewer the shots the easier it is to achieve higher efficiency). However, the more shots he takes, the better he probably gets at it. And had his shots INCREASED in addition to this, I imagine he would score even more than the low 20s given he was already above 18ppg with Rubio and over 16ppg with crap PGs.

Check out a lot of the moves here...some are just finishes but many are nice offensive moves. This was more with Rubio who wasn't taking as many shots, but he showed some nice things, some of which I'm sure he has worked on more. He just doesn't get the ball much outside of pick and rolls, which are great, but he has some things in his bag and can create his own shot if given the opportunity, but when he establishes position and puts his arm up, he is often ignored and when he might get it, later after being ignored for awhile, it takes a while to get into that rhythm just as it did Booker for his first game and a half, despite getting a lot of shots and staring slowly in game 1 and the first half of game 2.

But just take a few minutes to look and let me know if you still think he is uncapable of creating shots on his own.

He does have some moves. It's just the question of whether or not he's good enough to do those things to the benefit of the team, or whether or not he's good enough at those things for us to go to them instead of another player. That is imo, the standard you have to meet when evaluating whether or not a player can "create their own shot".

I always have a hard time answering "yes" to this question because quite frankly, although you can post highlight videos of great finishes and post ups, we haven't really seen any indication of any growing ball handling ability from Ayton like, at all. At this point in the NBA's meta, any player who doesn't handle the ball and shoot the 3 (thankfully he's taking a few finally, so we'll see how that works) will never be able to reach elite offensive heights.

I think we haven't seen any growth from a couple years ago for a few reasons. He gets the ball a lot less. They don't utilize him that way with two GREAT midrange scorers, but use him as a pick and roll finisher mostly...outside of a few shots down low, and because they (and seemingly he) wanted for him to focus primarily on improving his defense last year, which he did.

As a rookie he scored over 16 on almost 61% TS% so he is an efficient go to guy and can be that as a main part of the offense if they would utilize it more..

But he still attracts so much defensive attention that he helps tremendously on offense, since opposing teams no he was so efficient last year and don't want to give up the easy stuff.

Yeah, he's very nice as a lob threat and roll partner. That definitely takes skill. But I don't see him as a "go to" guy, or rather, I define "go to" guy as just a guy you can just give the ball to to get a basket or create a play. I think Ayton right now is a clear cut "finisher". But as far as saying we're better or the same if we started going to Ayton isolations instead of him catching lobs and being Paul/Booker's roll man, there's no way that's a worthwhile change right now.

So again it just comes down to whether or not the team allows him to try to expand his game at presumably the expense of the offense. And as a contending team, I don't think we can do it. If we're talking post-Chris Paul, if people are expecting him to suddenly reveal a hidden dribble drive game and step back jumper, is that something we'd really bet on happening? Maybe it could. But as someone said before, maybe Jones is thinking past CP3 in regards to keeping Ayton's RFA rights and maybe doesn't want to gamble cap room that someone who has shown to be fairly limited offensively suddenly developing the rest of his skills.

I get it - I love his efficiency. But there are a billion efficient big man. I mean, they're supposed to be. There's a billion of them out there (not as good as Ayton, obviously) who can put up a nice TS% but don't have the skills to expand beyond that.

[bigfoot]

Well if we are keeping score this season it's Sheandre 2 and Dominayton 1. Onto the next game against the Kings.

[bwgood77]

He does have some moves. It's just the question of whether or not he's good enough to do those things to the benefit of the team, or whether or not he's good enough at those things for us to go to them instead of another player. That is imo, the standard you have to meet when evaluating whether or not a player can "create their own shot".

I always have a hard time answering "yes" to this question because quite frankly, although you can post highlight videos of great finishes and post ups, we haven't really seen any indication of any growing ball handling ability from Ayton like, at all. At this point in the NBA's meta, any player who doesn't handle the ball and shoot the 3 (thankfully he's taking a few finally, so we'll see how that works) will never be able to reach elite offensive heights.

I think we haven't seen any growth from a couple years ago for a few reasons. He gets the ball a lot less. They don't utilize him that way with two GREAT midrange scorers, but use him as a pick and roll finisher mostly...outside of a few shots down low, and because they (and seemingly he) wanted for him to focus primarily on improving his defense last year, which he did.

As a rookie he scored over 16 on almost 61% TS% so he is an efficient go to guy and can be that as a main part of the offense if they would utilize it more..

But he still attracts so much defensive attention that he helps tremendously on offense, since opposing teams no he was so efficient last year and don't want to give up the easy stuff.

Yeah, he's very nice as a lob threat and roll partner. That definitely takes skill. But I don't see him as a "go to" guy, or rather, I define "go to" guy as just a guy you can just give the ball to to get a basket or create a play. I think Ayton right now is a clear cut "finisher". But as far as saying we're better or the same if we started going to Ayton isolations instead of him catching lobs and being Paul/Booker's roll man, there's no way that's a worthwhile change right now.

So again it just comes down to whether or not the team allows him to try to expand his game at presumably the expense of the offense. And as a contending team, I don't think we can do it. If we're talking post-Chris Paul, if people are expecting him to suddenly reveal a hidden dribble drive game and step back jumper, is that something we'd really bet on happening? Maybe it could. But as someone said before, maybe Jones is thinking past CP3 in regards to keeping Ayton's RFA rights and maybe doesn't want to gamble cap room that someone who has shown to be fairly limited offensively suddenly developing the rest of his skills.

I get it - I love his efficiency. But there are a billion efficient big man. I mean, they're supposed to be. There's a billion of them out there (not as good as Ayton, obviously) who can put up a nice TS% but don't have the skills to expand beyond that.

True...in a nutshell, I wanted Doncic in the draft because the importance of big men had deteriorated and wasn't worth investing a lot into (like personally I wouldn't really want to pay him more than about $25 million a year...maybe $27.5...or one that gets into the 30s but not until the new tv deal hits and the cap is $160 so $30 is less than 20% of it), and I had seen Ayton's pathetic defense, particularly letting guards drive by him in the tournament...a small school 13 seed crushed them. But his offense certainly wasn't a problem. He dominated.

But I definitely don't want him to iso. I just would like more touches when he is open inside to get his short turnaround or hook shots. Big men isoing isn't good and he eventually just gets doubled anyway...but I thought you and others wanted this.

But his defensive improvements through last year shocked me. I mean even to start this season he limited AD to like 2-11 shooting inside yesterday and played solid interior D through his games...I also notice he is boxing out more....now of course yes, a number of Cs can play solid interior D and box out, and rebound if they need to, like against the Lakers you can't box out one guy and let a teammate get it because they are so big...you have to get it yourself.

But if we are not going to utilize him more on offense, what is he worth? His gravity is huge and his screen assists play a big part...and I'm not sure most Cs would have near the gravity he does...not sure about screening...sure he doesn't knock guys over but being that he is among leaders in screen assists he gets guys open by disrupting the defender.

Ultimately, his switching on D is huge though and I think if we just lost him and placed him with an ok C we are probably a fringe playoff team. As I mentioned, Booker huge increase in efficiency 3 years ago...it wasn't a coincidence that it was Ayton's rookie year...the gravity and the attention opposing defenses gave to Ayton.

I imagine if his agent finds a max deal for him somewhere we maybe arrange a S&T. I imagine some team will want to utilize some of his offensive skills more and they recognize his value on D where he can switch.

I hope if we trade him we get serious value back though given I don't think we are a definitive playoff team without his D..and having that capable big who can switch like that and contest all sorts of shots. We'd have to get back a player close to Shai's caliber ...maybe Fox but I'm not as high on him...which we will need post Paul...but we would definitely need a solid defensive C...at least a Jarrett Allen type. There are quite a few good ones, but few can switch and not be played off the floor in the playoffs. There are also few stretch C's like a Lopez who can pull the big out that are available....there are a number that can shoot but I don't see them being available...unless we did a straight up trade for someone like Vucevic....which doesn't make sense if we don't want offense from our C because his defense is atrocious. A guy like Allen may be available though because Mobley looks like a stud already....though we'd certainly have to offer up someone like Cam and Allen does make quite a bit himself.

[bwgood77]

Well if we are keeping score this season it's Sheandre 2 and Dominayton 1. Onto the next game against the Kings.

Britney Griner would like a word with you. I am unsure if you are trying to bash only Ayton or Ayton and women with your nickname, but regardless, the sheer fact that you ARE trying to use it as an insult to Ayton means that it is an insult to women.

I know it is offensive to some even if others think it is funny or think it is silly that some might find it offensive. We do have women on this board as well. Anyway, I know it would be appreciated by some if you would come up with a new one.

[bwgood77]

Hopefully my poll shouldn't have been 5, 6, 7, 8 seed or 9-10 play-in and 5-5, 4-6, 3-7, 2-8, 1-9.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I'm not that big a fan of Westbrook due to his occasional azzhat douchey behavior and abrasive attitude at times. But I do love his relentless motor and never quit aggressive playing style. I mention him because I still believe that is what we're missing on our team currently. That Westbrook/ Luka/ Pat Beverly/ Jimmy Butler/ etc. Non stop relentless motor aggressive player that can energize our sometimes listless/ apathetic team. Not too sure whose still available or might be waived that we can pick up to be that guy.

All I know is that games like tonight are a perfect example of why we need a player or more than just one player that can feed and maintain that intensity to allow us always have a chance of getting back into a game!

[Keith_myath]

Well if we are keeping score this season it's Sheandre 2 and Dominayton 1. Onto the next game against the Kings.

POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGED: It's closer to 3-0 than 2-1. Take that first quarter against the Nugs away and it's 3-0. It triggers my anxiety when you post incorrect stats.

P.S. Don't listen to the stat monkey. She seems to think this is twitter and people here are triggered all the time by everything. Bit like these clowns:

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[bigfoot]

Well if we are keeping score this season it's Sheandre 2 and Dominayton 1. Onto the next game against the Kings.

Britney Griner would like a word with you. I am unsure if you are trying to bash only Ayton or Ayton and women with your nickname, but regardless, the sheer fact that you ARE trying to use it as an insult to Ayton means that it is an insult to women.

I know it is offensive to some even if others think it is funny or think it is silly that some might find it offensive. We do have women on this board as well. Anyway, I know it would be appreciated by some if you would come up with a new one.

Come on now ... the term Sheandre is engrained in this board as strongly as the game thread goodluck charms. I doubt we have anyone that finds either of them offensive.

[bwgood77]

Well if we are keeping score this season it's Sheandre 2 and Dominayton 1. Onto the next game against the Kings.

Britney Griner would like a word with you. I am unsure if you are trying to bash only Ayton or Ayton and women with your nickname, but regardless, the sheer fact that you ARE trying to use it as an insult to Ayton means that it is an insult to women.

I know it is offensive to some even if others think it is funny or think it is silly that some might find it offensive. We do have women on this board as well. Anyway, I know it would be appreciated by some if you would come up with a new one.

Come on now ... the term Sheandre is engrained in this board as strongly as the game thread goodluck charms. I doubt we have anyone that finds either of them offensive.

Well reports and PMs say otherwise.

[Flying Colors]

Hate the Sheandre nickname, its embarrassing that its stuck around here.

[Bogyo]

Britney Griner would like a word with you. I am unsure if you are trying to bash only Ayton or Ayton and women with your nickname, but regardless, the sheer fact that you ARE trying to use it as an insult to Ayton means that it is an insult to women.

I know it is offensive to some even if others think it is funny or think it is silly that some might find it offensive. We do have women on this board as well. Anyway, I know it would be appreciated by some if you would come up with a new one.

Come on now ... the term Sheandre is engrained in this board as strongly as the game thread goodluck charms. I doubt we have anyone that finds either of them offensive.

Well reports and PMs say otherwise.

We can have our next poll about this all important question.
(I don't find it offensive, it's well within the trash-talk culture, I'd be surprised if he doesn't get called that in games by the opposition)

[NapoleonII]

Our rotation is a mess, even while Payne was healthy.

I don't understand how Nader is even getting playing time. In the Lakers game, with Payne, he got nearly 10 minutes? WHY? With our depth at the 2/3 and the need for Stix to get run, and a healthy Frank?

Between positions 1-3, we should have:

1 CP at 30 mins, or under, Payne at least 18 here.

2. Booker at 33-34, Shamet at least 14.

3. Bridges at 34, Cameron should be getting at least 14 here.

4. Crowder SHOULD be less, 28-30, with Cameron picking up 10 here.

5. Depending on matchup. I don't want to see McGee every game getting scorched by the Jeff Greens of the earth.