2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[Saberestar]

Mo Bamba??

We really do like throwing **** on the wall around here, don't we?

Yeah, he is BAD. I am not sure he is better than any of Landale or Biyombo.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Must have been the Thunder. Question is - what exactley were those picks.
(Also, this is where Presti made a bit of a misscalculation with amassing all the picks in the world. Everybody will ask for twice as much of picks from him than any other trade partner. I guess he slept through economy 101 when they talked about diminising returns and such. With that said, he is still leaps and bounds better than our "gm".)

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If they wanted to go forward with this team, they would trade OG for player(s) not picks, that just doesn't make sense due to the age gap of the 2 important clusters of their player personnel (FVV/GTJ/Siakam/Porter vs OG/Barnes/Koloko/Achiuwa).
This also shows that the Dinos will be down for a Siakam trade in the summer. They will trade FVV for whoever they can, and GTJ too if there is a buyer, or at least one of them. Understandable, both have been subpar, have too large contracts, and FVV wants to make it worse. You aint winning chit with them. The return will be low as well. Then what do you have? Siakam and the 2 young wings, plus a couple nice complementary pieces (Koloko, Achiuwa, Thad Young, Porter), and a good draft pick. Let the bidding begin for the in his prime all nba guy.

Also: FVV will be either let go, or sign and traded. Possibly for a lot lower number than what he wants now, when there will be no suitors (unless one dumb gm throws the bag at him).

My guess was it was the Grizz seeing as they have a lot of picks themselves, And they're primed to make a big all in type of move and the 3 just happens to be their weakest position. I don't honestly think it was OKC because they have Jalen Williams at that position really balling out! and Kenrich Williams whose also really solid. But either is a legitimate possibility. Now watch both of us be wrong and we find out it was the Jazz??....................

[Ghost of Kleine]

Mo Bamba??

We really do like throwing **** on the wall around here, don't we?

Yeah, he is BAD. I am not sure he is better than any of Landale or Biyombo.

Is he really that bad (as insurance) IF we intend to move on from Ayton? I mean can Biyombo space the floor from three or hit free throws as well as Bamba?
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=biyombi01&player_id1=bambamo01&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=bambamo01

Apparently the only thing Biyimbo seems better at is FG% honestly! Now that's not to stay Biyombo's not solid and worth bringing back of course. But IF we do move Ayton in some trade premise, WITHOUT getting an equitable value center back, we'll find ourselves in a bad way against the rest of the leagues top centers, Unless of course they increase allowable fouls to around 10-12.

Now in Landale's case,
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=landajo01&player_id1=bambamo01&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=bambamo01

He's better at FG%/EFG%/ FT? BUT...................... Bamba is better at pretty much everything else: 3PTFG%/ Reb (both offensive and defensive)/ steals/ Blocks/ points. He's also younger, bigger, longer, and still possesses more upside. So if anyone thinks both Biyombo and Landale are good, then I'm just not sure how people can claim that Bamba is worse or even a bad player honestly.

[Saberestar]

Mo Bamba??

We really do like throwing **** on the wall around here, don't we?

Yeah, he is BAD. I am not sure he is better than any of Landale or Biyombo.

Is he really that bad (as insurance) IF we intend to move on from Ayton? I mean can Biyombo space the floor from three or hit free throws as well as Bamba?
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=biyombi01&player_id1=bambamo01&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=bambamo01

Apparently the only thing Biyimbo seems better at is FG% honestly! Now that's not to stay Biyombo's not solid and worth bringing back of course. But IF we do move Ayton in some trade premise, WITHOUT getting an equitable value center back, we'll find ourselves in a bad way against the rest of the leagues top centers, Unless of course they increase allowable fouls to around 10-12.

Now in Landale's case,
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=landajo01&player_id1=bambamo01&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=bambamo01

He's better at FG%/EFG%/ FT? BUT...................... Bamba is better at pretty much everything else: 3PTFG%/ Reb (both offensive and defensive)/ steals/ Blocks/ points. He's also younger, bigger, longer, and still possesses more upside. So if anyone thinks both Biyombo and Landale are good, then I'm just not sure how people can claim that Bamba is worse or even a bad player honestly.

He is playing 17 minutes per game for the Magic, that can tell you how bad he is and why doesn't makes sense to trade for him.

The Magic has a team option on him for next year but they will not use it, it was a mistake to draft him so high and then another mistake to sign him for that fifth year.

He doesn't understand the game but he will be in the league lots of years because of his ridiculous length but on small contracts. You can sign him possibly for the minimum next season.

And we aren't trading any core player. Ayton is a core player. We will trade Crowder and probably another bench player if needed to match salaries. James Jones likes continuity and believes in these players, he has shown that multiple times.

[sunskerr]

Damn we are only interested in short point guards who shoot 40%?? Just so consistent with the "type" that Jones seems to like. Why not a big 6'9" shot creator in Siakam?? Jones

I guess Quickley is pretty serviceable at 6'3" but I aint looking to throw the bag at tiny dudes like Van Vleet (38% FG WTF) or Rozier.

[BobbieL]

Yeah, he is BAD. I am not sure he is better than any of Landale or Biyombo.

Is he really that bad (as insurance) IF we intend to move on from Ayton? I mean can Biyombo space the floor from three or hit free throws as well as Bamba?
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=biyombi01&player_id1=bambamo01&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=bambamo01

Apparently the only thing Biyimbo seems better at is FG% honestly! Now that's not to stay Biyombo's not solid and worth bringing back of course. But IF we do move Ayton in some trade premise, WITHOUT getting an equitable value center back, we'll find ourselves in a bad way against the rest of the leagues top centers, Unless of course they increase allowable fouls to around 10-12.

Now in Landale's case,
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=landajo01&player_id1=bambamo01&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=bambamo01

He's better at FG%/EFG%/ FT? BUT...................... Bamba is better at pretty much everything else: 3PTFG%/ Reb (both offensive and defensive)/ steals/ Blocks/ points. He's also younger, bigger, longer, and still possesses more upside. So if anyone thinks both Biyombo and Landale are good, then I'm just not sure how people can claim that Bamba is worse or even a bad player honestly.

He is playing 17 minutes per game for the Magic, that can tell you how bad he is and why doesn't makes sense to trade for him.

The Magic has a team option on him for next year but they will not use it, it was a mistake to draft him so high and then another mistake to sign him for that fifth year.

He doesn't understand the game but he will be in the league lots of years because of his ridiculous length but on small contracts. You can sign him possibly for the minimum next season.

And we aren't trading any core player. Ayton is a core player. We will trade Crowder and probably another bench player if needed to match salaries. James Jones likes continuity and believes in these players, he has shown that multiple times.

My hope at this point for trades - FVV, Rozier, might not be realistic - thats fine

1) Does Booker get healthy? If so, thats the key
2) Cam Payne - how is his health for the season

If the Suns are reasonably healthy and they can used Crowder, Saric, maybe Craig, maybe Payne to upgrade the bench - and it won't be hard to upgrade really Crowder and Saric as one hasn't played, the one has barely played - its a WIN for the Suns at this point in my opinion.

I mean, I wouldn't mind the bigger splashier move but just hoping for more depth, better minutes than current, even just a little, and hopefully roll towards the playoffs and maybe get a 5 or 6

[sunsfan1o1]

Wow. Lakers got a STEALLLLLL!! Guess James Jones prefers paying guys not to play over talent. Pretty cool.

If I were the pelicans GM, I’d go ahead and trade for OG. Give up some picks maybe a lakers pick plus Daniels, Murphy III and herb Jones if they like.
that would make them boys really tough to beat.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Yeah, he is BAD. I am not sure he is better than any of Landale or Biyombo.

Is he really that bad (as insurance) IF we intend to move on from Ayton? I mean can Biyombo space the floor from three or hit free throws as well as Bamba?
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=biyombi01&player_id1=bambamo01&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=bambamo01

Apparently the only thing Biyimbo seems better at is FG% honestly! Now that's not to stay Biyombo's not solid and worth bringing back of course. But IF we do move Ayton in some trade premise, WITHOUT getting an equitable value center back, we'll find ourselves in a bad way against the rest of the leagues top centers, Unless of course they increase allowable fouls to around 10-12.

Now in Landale's case,
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=landajo01&player_id1=bambamo01&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=bambamo01

He's better at FG%/EFG%/ FT? BUT...................... Bamba is better at pretty much everything else: 3PTFG%/ Reb (both offensive and defensive)/ steals/ Blocks/ points. He's also younger, bigger, longer, and still possesses more upside. So if anyone thinks both Biyombo and Landale are good, then I'm just not sure how people can claim that Bamba is worse or even a bad player honestly.

He is playing 17 minutes per game for the Magic, that can tell you how bad he is and why doesn't makes sense to trade for him.

The Magic has a team option on him for next year but they will not use it, it was a mistake to draft him so high and then another mistake to sign him for that fifth year.

He doesn't understand the game but he will be in the league lots of years because of his ridiculous length but on small contracts. You can sign him possibly for the minimum next season.

And we aren't trading any core player. Ayton is a core player. We will trade Crowder and probably another bench player if needed to match salaries. James Jones likes continuity and believes in these players, he has shown that multiple times.

Love your confidence here man on the whole not trading any of our core! I actually am inclined with you here as long as you don't consider (by default) Crowder as part of our core until traded? lol
As for Bamba, how exactly do you get better if you're only getting 17 minutes a game? I don't think anyone would expect him to start over Carter Jr either with the magic investing in him. Are there really that many examples of starting salaried (big contract) players actually sitting in interest of bench bigs that are still raw and don't center's development normally take longer too? You may disagree, But I feel the key to a young player's development is a mix of both opportunity (environment/ fit) as well as playing time/ reps to foster "in game growth." How much of that do you suppose Bamba has really had? at worst he's still a young, raw, bench level big slightly better than both Biyombo and Landale as the stats have already indicated. But also with significant upside IF only properly developed.

So again, as I've previously said DEPENDING UPON THE COST he wouldn't be a bad insurance policy IF again...........IF we do decide to move on from Ayton in a trade this summer? Now you may of course disagree which is fine because perspectives don't always have to align to have merit. I mean obviously at some point we need to actually look at adding legitimate young talent/upside to this roster either to serve the purpose of tradable assets or as supplementary development pieces around our core that actually fit our timeline and still have growth projection too. And as for us not trading Ayton, I do absolutely agree with you here, as I've said before, NOT ONLY because of his veto authority on trades limiting our options, but moreover because it would really complicate things for us further decreasing our legitimate depth and talent without already having a follow up trade for a replacement option secured!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Magic fans are constantly complaining about Bamba's effort. They hate him. I'm 100% sure he's not on our radar.

[sunsbum]

Wow. Lakers got a STEALLLLLL!! Guess James Jones prefers paying guys not to play over talent. Pretty cool.

If I were the pelicans GM, I’d go ahead and trade for OG. Give up some picks maybe a lakers pick plus Daniels, Murphy III and herb Jones if they like.
that would make them boys really tough to beat.

You randomly talk about the Pelicans a lot, maybe you should take your basketball knowledge to their board. I’m sure they would love a hoops guru like yourself.

[sunsfan1o1]

Wow. Lakers got a STEALLLLLL!! Guess James Jones prefers paying guys not to play over talent. Pretty cool.

If I were the pelicans GM, I’d go ahead and trade for OG. Give up some picks maybe a lakers pick plus Daniels, Murphy III and herb Jones if they like.
that would make them boys really tough to beat.

You randomly talk about the Pelicans a lot, maybe you should take your basketball knowledge to their board. I’m sure they would love a hoops guru like yourself.

You can’t talk to me.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Magic fans are constantly complaining about Bamba's effort. They hate him. I'm 100% sure he's not on our radar.

Surely you're likely right here man! But in fairness, Young players or old are still human, and can become products of their environments. Perhaps his effort is waning due to very limited development opportunities in that specific situation? Sabrestar did point out that he's only been getting around 17 minutes of playing time after all and obviously isn't going to displace Carter Junior anytime soon at his salary/production. He seemed ready to get a fresh start in free agency before they resigned him after all:
https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2022/06/30/orlando-magic-resigning-mo-bamba-was-the-right-move/

On the court, Bamba was the only player in the league to have more than 100 blocks and 100 three-point field goals made while shooting 36 percent from beyond the arc.

The ability to spread the floor and protect the rim are valuable skills that Bamba brings to the table. It would have been a mistake to let him go.

Especially as Bamba was starting to come into his own.

With a clearly defined role and a chance to start, Bamba started to flourish. He averaged a career-high 10.6 points per game, 8.1 rebounds per game and 1.7 blocks per game in 25.7 minutes per game and 71 games played.

Not bad for a young backup center?? And at 10 million, about the right price for a backup center averaging just under a double/double and hitting on 38% of his threes?

Now I get and agree that he's not likely on our radar, I also get the value disparity for what we're paying cumulatively between Biyombo and Landale too. But the counter to that is in what Bamba can do that Biyombo simply can't. Also, in the clear and significant upside Bamba still possesses that Landale doesn't. So IF under Ishbia, money doesn't matter anymore, then why don't we at least consider adding more young talent with legitimate upside that can grow with our core or be flipped later as assets?

Also, I think Bamba just needs greater development opportunities, and maybe also just needs a change of scenery to progress further. Overall it was just a hypothetical premise contingent on IF we did (for whatever reason) look to trade Ayton for other pieces and were in need of replacement options (considerations) other than just the assumption of Biyombo and Landale successfully filling that role alone! Because IF the premise is a "center by committee" plan, then we could do far worse than to add Bamba as an additional depth option at only $10 million and considering skillset/upside.
But again, before too many people get worked up over this, it's just a hypothetical postulation to promote discussion/ dialogue to fill the gap of no suns moves or info and nothing more.

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[lilfishi22]

Gambo. Looks like no plan to add a guard

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"Not a good fit for Paul" should be one of the LAST considerations

[WeekapaugGroove]

Gambo. Looks like no plan to add a guard

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"Not a good fit for Paul" should be one of the LAST considerations

Ha right? When I saw that tweet I wondered if Gambo missed the 'life after CP' part of his report.

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[lilfishi22]

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Not too likely.

Knicks traded Knox and a 1st for Reddish, Hill (waived) and a 2nd. Now they are moving him for two 2nds?

So essentially Knicks traded Knox and a 1st for.....3 2nds?

[lilfishi22]

Gambo. Looks like no plan to add a guard

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So most likely Rozier and possibly Oubre incoming if I had to guess?? Just have to figure out a workable framework for it.

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[Djedefre]

Rozier would be a total wtf move