The One And Only Offseason Thread!

[Sreister]

Damn if Bledsoe and errrr tucker resigns and that's it, we literally are worse this year than last.

Granted there are still some decent fa/rfa but the list is getting smaller. And there is still time.

I swear I'm going to explode if I hear Ryan Mcd say the suns are staying the course if they strike out with lebron. Staying the course is for losers. We are going to be hearing " staying the course" for the next 10 years. Every year is going to be, "wait till next year, when there are star FAs." Staying the course doesn't work.

I'm really trying to stay positive but it's getting harder with every passing hour.






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That's absolutely absurd. Why make a move just to make a move?

1.) Frye wanted money. He isn't worth 8 million a year for 4 years. We let him go because of that.
2.) We have young talent. Just because we stand pat, doesn't mean we got worse. Standing pat with young talent means we got better. Young talent gets better. Duh.
3.) Look at Celts over paying, look at Wizards over paying. Hell look at Magic over paying. Flexibility/Development > 6-8 seed.

I swear, we would just turn into another sh*tty franchise if our management was as impatient as some of our posters here. Over paying for mediocrity = death in the NBA.

[SSOL]

If you want a positive, it's the fact that nothing has happened with Bledsoe. Nothing. We have heard an offer sheet from Milwaukee was forthcoming, and then nothing. Then information comes out from Bledsoe's agent, and/or the Suns that they are in early negotiations, and then nothing. Signing Bledsoe before signing free agents limits what the Suns can do cap-wise. So silence on that front is a major positive in a number of ways, including the fact that Bledsoe likely wants to be here and the fact that he is working in concert with the Suns to bring a major player to the Valley.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Damn if Bledsoe and errrr tucker resigns and that's it, we literally are worse this year than last.

Granted there are still some decent fa/rfa but the list is getting smaller. And there is still time.

I swear I'm going to explode if I hear Ryan Mcd say the suns are staying the course if they strike out with lebron. Staying the course is for losers. We are going to be hearing " staying the course" for the next 10 years. Every year is going to be, "wait till next year, when there are star FAs." Staying the course doesn't work.

I'm really trying to stay positive but it's getting harder with every passing hour.

It's as if you think players are frozen in time. Consider the development of Ennis, Archie, TJ, Alex (and Bogdan). Time is on our side. At this point, we're getting better each year simply by staying put. If you don't see the reasoning in that, I don't know what to tell you. Every great player was once nothing but a name on a piece of paper to the casual fan. Patience.

[RunDogGun]

One thing about a trade though: I think we would need to give up Bled or Dragic to get back Love (or Horford, if it's possible). But I don't think Love would commit to staying without Bled and Dragic on the team. Hence why it may only be a viable option if LeBron signs with us.

I do think trading Dragic might be wise in any case. I think his production will likely decrease next year due to Channing's absence. He's older than the rest of our core. Next contract will be costly. Sell high.

Why trade an All NBA player? For some reason I think it is wise to keep guys like that.

If you are going to keep making silly comments, please use green font.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

One thing about a trade though: I think we would need to give up Bled or Dragic to get back Love (or Horford, if it's possible). But I don't think Love would commit to staying without Bled and Dragic on the team. Hence why it may only be a viable option if LeBron signs with us.

I do think trading Dragic might be wise in any case. I think his production will likely decrease next year due to Channing's absence. He's older than the rest of our core. Next contract will be costly. Sell high.

Why trade an All NBA player? For some reason I think it is wise to keep guys like that.

If you are going to keep making silly comments, please use green font.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 152526.htm

[bwgood77]

One thing about a trade though: I think we would need to give up Bled or Dragic to get back Love (or Horford, if it's possible). But I don't think Love would commit to staying without Bled and Dragic on the team. Hence why it may only be a viable option if LeBron signs with us.

I do think trading Dragic might be wise in any case. I think his production will likely decrease next year due to Channing's absence. He's older than the rest of our core. Next contract will be costly. Sell high.

I don't know if it is selling him high though. Teams might be hesitant to give up too much for a guy that could leave in a year, so we might be disappointed in our return. Bledsoe probably nets a higher return if he's locked up for 3-4 years. (I say 3 because he could be traded later before we re-signed Dragic if we keep him).

Also, if no LeBron, Bledsoe might be more expendable since he has a bad knee and could leave us with Ennis starting if he goes down.

[DRK]

I dont see what the big deal is with losing Channing.

We lost a (now extremely overpaid) one-trick pony, who's trick can be replaced.

[RunDogGun]

One thing about a trade though: I think we would need to give up Bled or Dragic to get back Love (or Horford, if it's possible). But I don't think Love would commit to staying without Bled and Dragic on the team. Hence why it may only be a viable option if LeBron signs with us.

I do think trading Dragic might be wise in any case. I think his production will likely decrease next year due to Channing's absence. He's older than the rest of our core. Next contract will be costly. Sell high.

Why trade an All NBA player? For some reason I think it is wise to keep guys like that.

If you are going to keep making silly comments, please use green font.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 152526.htm

I'm confused now, are you just trying to make money, or create a f*cking basketball team?

[RunDogGun]

I dont see what the big deal is with losing Channing.

We lost a (now extremely overpaid) one-trick pony, who's trick can be replaced.

That is the question, can it be replaced? If it could, I doubt he gets $8 million at his age. There was so much more to Frye's presence on the floor. Some fans(obviously gms too) saw it. I may have been frustrated with him at times, but he made the team better, and it's silly not to want a guy like that.

If everything he did can be replaced, cool, but if not, it's a big step backwards.

[RunDogGun]

I dont see what the big deal is with losing Channing.

We lost a (now extremely overpaid) one-trick pony, who's trick can be replaced.

That is the question, can it be replaced? If it could, I doubt he gets $8 million at his age. There was so much more to Frye's presence on the floor. Some fans(obviously gms too) saw it. I may have been frustrated with him at times, but he made the team better, and it's silly not to want a guy like that.

If everything he did can be replaced, cool, but if not, it's a big step backwards.

[BobbieL]

I dont see what the big deal is with losing Channing.

We lost a (now extremely overpaid) one-trick pony, who's trick can be replaced.

Quite frankly, I was a bit relieved

Suns had a fun year last year, improved a lot, showed a lot of promise

But they could not be the "same offense" this coming year. They really need a low post guy and I also think a true wing scorer and maybe not as many threes. Granted, the Spurs shot the three ball well - but they still had the low post in Duncan and a wing scorer in Parker. Moving forward, Suns need that - well, at least I think they need that.

[PassWarden]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/486523904349843456[/tweet]

Thank goodness.

[RunDogGun]

I dont see what the big deal is with losing Channing.

We lost a (now extremely overpaid) one-trick pony, who's trick can be replaced.

That is the question, can it be replaced? If it could, I doubt he gets $8 million at his age. There was so much more to Frye's presence on the floor. Some fans(obviously gms too) saw it. I may have been frustrated with him at times, but he made the team better, and it's silly not to want a guy like that.

If everything he did can be replaced, cool, but if not, it's a big step backwards.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Why trade an All NBA player? For some reason I think it is wise to keep guys like that.

If you are going to keep making silly comments, please use green font.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 152526.htm

I'm confused now, are you just trying to make money, or create a f*cking basketball team?

It was an answer to your question, "Why trade an All-NBA player?" I'm done debating for now. We simply disagree.

[Sreister]

I dont see what the big deal is with losing Channing.

We lost a (now extremely overpaid) one-trick pony, who's trick can be replaced.

That is the question, can it be replaced? If it could, I doubt he gets $8 million at his age. There was so much more to Frye's presence on the floor. Some fans(obviously gms too) saw it. I may have been frustrated with him at times, but he made the team better, and it's silly not to want a guy like that.

If everything he did can be replaced, cool, but if not, it's a big step backwards.

It's no question do we want the guy. It's do we want him at 8 per? That answer is no.

[RunDogGun]

I dont see what the big deal is with losing Channing.

We lost a (now extremely overpaid) one-trick pony, who's trick can be replaced.

Quite frankly, I was a bit relieved

Suns had a fun year last year, improved a lot, showed a lot of promise

But they could not be the "same offense" this coming year. They really need a low post guy and I also think a true wing scorer and maybe not as many threes. Granted, the Spurs shot the three ball well - but they still had the low post in Duncan and a wing scorer in Parker. Moving forward, Suns need that - well, at least I think they need that.

With our two guard attack, we need spacing, not a guy that will clog the lane. Changing our offense didn't work very well under Porter, and I don't want to revisit that.

[BobbieL]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/486523904349843456[/tweet]

Thank goodness.

I guess I am okay with that. Though I think its a bit early to think this is the end product for Greg Monroe. He is just 25 - his next five years should be better than his last four. NBA is about 26-+30 and not 21-25

[RunDogGun]

I dont see what the big deal is with losing Channing.

We lost a (now extremely overpaid) one-trick pony, who's trick can be replaced.

That is the question, can it be replaced? If it could, I doubt he gets $8 million at his age. There was so much more to Frye's presence on the floor. Some fans(obviously gms too) saw it. I may have been frustrated with him at times, but he made the team better, and it's silly not to want a guy like that.

If everything he did can be replaced, cool, but if not, it's a big step backwards.

It's no question do we want the guy. It's do we want him at 8 per? That answer is no.

I agree, but I just don't think he will be easily replaced. He was a major piece that made us better.

[bwgood77]

Losing Frye's leadership and locker room presence, and possibly losing Tucker, I still think we should go after Pierce. He is still solid, despite being old, and is better than Deng or anyone else on the market. I didn't even realize he only wanted $9-$10 million a year. He's much better than Deng, and clutch with championship experience.

If we can't get LeBron (and it doesn't look like there is any chance for Bosh or Melo) and we can't trade for Love (or possibly even if we do), why not get Pierce until someone like Warren develops. Warren could probably learn some things from him. I don't see why a 1-2 year contract at $9-$10 million a year should be a problem, especially if we need a vet, a guy that can hit 3s, and lose our starting 4 and maybe 3. I'd give him a 2 year contract with a team option in year 2 if possible so if we can clear space to go after Love, we have that option.

When it comes to negotiations for Paul Pierce, the Brooklyn Nets have their number -- and the veteran forward has his.

The Nets would like to pay Pierce around $6-8 million per season on a short-term contract, sources say.

Pierce, however, as first reported by Sports Illustrated and confirmed by ESPNNewYork.com, would like to be paid around $9-10 million.

Sources have said since before the start of free agency that it likely was going to take somewhere in the neighborhood of $9-10 million to entice Pierce to come back.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/brookl ... n-per-year


Also, I don't know why Melo doesn't consider the Suns at all, unless it's just LaLa and her acting and/or big city dreams.

The Knicks expected Carmelo Anthony’s decision by Monday, but heard only crickets. A growing belief within the organization is Anthony is waiting to make sure there is no possible way of hooking up with LeBron James in Miami or Los Angeles.

http://nypost.com/2014/07/07/anthony-ke ... s-waiting/

[BobbieL]

I dont see what the big deal is with losing Channing.

We lost a (now extremely overpaid) one-trick pony, who's trick can be replaced.

Quite frankly, I was a bit relieved

Suns had a fun year last year, improved a lot, showed a lot of promise

But they could not be the "same offense" this coming year. They really need a low post guy and I also think a true wing scorer and maybe not as many threes. Granted, the Spurs shot the three ball well - but they still had the low post in Duncan and a wing scorer in Parker. Moving forward, Suns need that - well, at least I think they need that.

With our two guard attack, we need spacing, not a guy that will clog the lane. Changing our offense didn't work very well under Porter, and I don't want to revisit that.

Didn't the team have Amare who could score in the low box and also pop out and hit that fifteen foot straightaway jumper?