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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#301 » by thamadkant » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:47 am

AtheJ415 wrote:Also, I'd like to give Goodwin a shot at being our backup 1. It makes sense given our roster logjam at the combo spot, as Goodwin is more of a 1 than any of our other bench guards.



Goodwin can be developed to be a Lance Stephenson/Tyreke Evans type guard... ball handler, slasher then kick out to shooter... similar to what he played last year... BUT..
hopefully next season he is BIGGER, STRONGER so he can get bumped and still get to finish his action/moves.
Also Im sure he is working on his SHOT...
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#302 » by King4Day » Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:48 pm

If we could convince Love to come here, maybe the Cavs would take the twins off our hands. It'd give them depth and a likely better fit at PF in Kieff. I don't see how they'd say know considering how good they were off the bench for us a couple seasons ago.

If we got Love, we'd be a really solid shooting team at least. If we don't, then blow it the F up and stop trying to compete.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#303 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:01 pm

Quick side question: If the Morrii go to prison, do their salaries come off the books?
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#304 » by Flying Colors » Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:12 pm

if they go to prison, i imagine their contracts become null and void, but they are not going to go to prison i bet
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Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#305 » by Nando88 » Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:16 pm

Can we just rename the team the Purgatory Suns... We ain't going anywhere for a while, stuck.


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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#306 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:08 pm

Best news would be Marcus goes to prison. Void his contract. Keep Kieff and see if it helps him, otherwise deal him.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#307 » by Frank Lee » Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:33 pm

Well.... glad this draft hoopla is now over. I guess we didn't do too bad considering having 13 and 40something. What did anyone expect?

If you believe McDuh was trying to move up or acquire another pick blah blah blah, then the primary reason he did not succeed may be the league-wide diminished view of our assets. Was he trying to peddle the over sleeping PJ Party ? Or the storied MoBros and their chance of an orange jump suiting/shooting future? Or even the mighty Pointless Guard Bledsoe and his inflated self worth/contract.

Yes, you may notice I do not hold as high of an opinion of this group as others. This was supposed to be our 'Core' to build on/around. Just add one more shiny apple and a couple of hard balling youngsters to the cart and we are off and running back in the playoffs. So much for that thought. Apparently, the Four Whore'sMen all skipped the leadership and citizenship seminars.

I think we will be stuck with corrosive MoBrosive for the season, or at the very least until their **** shenanigans have been settled. And even then, they are tarnished. PJ's are a dime per dirty dozen, as last thing any GM wants is behavioral related head aches. There are too many 'hustle' guys out there that are not going to make the papers with their evening escapades. I think it is apparent Bled is not the chosen leader as well nor as capable of running a team as we hoped. Was there truth in his dangling ? At least he has kept out of trouble. Regardless of the outcome, we have to play them to trade them. But none of them fit McDuh outline of what type of player he seeks, IF he is true to his word.

I'd like to think McDuh has a big plan, for the current roster is out of balance with positions or talent. His hands could be tied by his own doing. Even Babby has separated himself from the potential mess that is McDuh. He needs to pull a something out his ass-hat in order to restore faith from the fan base. Its hard to imagine this squad, as is, being anything but disappointing. Bad, but not quite bad enough.

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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#308 » by Frank Lee » Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:47 pm

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AtheJ415 wrote:Also, I'd like to give Goodwin a shot at being our backup 1. It makes sense given our roster logjam at the combo spot, as Goodwin is more of a 1 than any of our other bench guards.



Goodwin can be developed to be a Lance Stephenson/Tyreke Evans type guard... ball handler, slasher then kick out to shooter... similar to what he played last year... BUT..
hopefully next season he is BIGGER, STRONGER so he can get bumped and still get to finish his action/moves.
Also Im sure he is working on his SHOT...


Jeezus... tone down the blind optimism just for a week or so eh? Let us waller in disappointment without your uber-excelling rosy flight path of players' contributions. This is a wait and finger-crossed see roster. It has crash and burn as a likely itinerary.... with a slight chance to pull out for a bumpy landing. Either way, keep your seat belts on for there is turbulence ahead.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#309 » by Puff » Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:51 pm

At this point I am as excited to watch Booker's growth as anyone we have drafted since Amare. If first impressions mean anything he has the goods. He looks good, speaks well, is humble with a personality, isn't covered with tattoos and appears to be a very good player that can shoot the rock.

Watching Tucker and The Twins play for us with their legal issues along with their constant arguments with the officials was hard to watch. While I am not convinced on Bledsoe I want to see more unless he can return a legit player in return.

If Booker can actually play and excel I think that he could become the face of the franchise in short order. I know that is a lot to ask of a kid drafted number 13 but I cannot wait to watch him grow with our team.

Now McDonough needs to somehow someway clean up this roster by moving the Twins and Tucker. That in itself would make us a more likeable team. I really have no idea what team would want them but I would lose value just to get them off the roster.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#310 » by SkinnyOMiller » Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:53 pm

DarkHawk wrote:If we could convince Love to come here, maybe the Cavs would take the twins off our hands. It'd give them depth and a likely better fit at PF in Kieff. I don't see how they'd say know considering how good they were off the bench for us a couple seasons ago.

If we got Love, we'd be a really solid shooting team at least. If we don't, then blow it the F up and stop trying to compete.
Warren better be a starter this coming season.



The odds that Love comes here are slim to none. The odds that Love's agent uses the Suns for strictly leverage are significantly better. Its not happening. Even if by some stretch of the imagination it did, what does that mean. Are they a championship contender with Love, I don't think so. A comfy 5th or 6th seed maybe and if people are content with 1st and 2nd round knockouts in the playoffs, then I guess it would be an upgrade.


Personally I'd like to see this team finally embrace the suck, instead of trying to add mediocre or average mid tier free agents, just trade away Bledsoe and Tucker for future draft picks, get rid of one, if not both the Morris twins and then go ahead, let the young players get out on the court and take your lumps, give yourself a better shot at a franchise player the way the Lakers just did.


It is nuts but the Lakers could go from winning a championship to rebuilding to having a winning team all while the Suns are still stuck in basketball purgatory. And it isn't because they've done anything particularly excellent, they've simply been a bad team and had some really good fortune along the way. They were bad enough to draft guys like Randle and Russell. I don't have much issue with what McDonough has done thus far. In the first year they seemingly tried to tank but guys played out of their minds and the coaching was outstanding. This was never going to be a true playoff contender as constructed, even if they had kept Dragic, if Thomas had never been signed, the only inevitable result was a worse draft pick and getting knocked out of the playoffs in short order.


This team has talent, but no franchise cornerstone. For a market like Phoenix, there is only two ways of getting that cornerrstone in all likelihood.......the traditional option, which is sucking enough to get a high draft pick in a draft with some true franchise players or the Houston option which is stacking assets on top of assets and hoping to make a trade for a guy like Harden. Considering how rare the second option is, I think the Suns are better off going with the first, going real young and putting out the expectation that it will take some time for this team to come together.


Having been a Suns fan for over 20 years, I've gotten frustrated with teams winning but rarely competing for championships. Rather than trying to cobble together an 8th or 7th seed, I want to see them take a few steps back and hopefully wind up with a top notch player as a result. The bigger issue is how much pressure Foam Finger is putting on McDonough to get this team into the playoffs even if it means f$%%ing up the long term prospects and having to come back to rebuilding once again in a few short years.




In the next draft you have a guy named Ben Simmons out of LSU who could be a transformative prospect. Not just Simmons but you have the kid of Arvydas Sabonis and many other top notch prospects. I want to see the Suns in a position to take one of the very top players and not just hanging around from Picks 13-20, hoping to snag a sleeper.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#311 » by JTrain » Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:01 pm

Is this acceptable behavior for a GM?

I found it rather crass myself but whatever.


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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#312 » by Qwigglez » Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:05 pm

So guys I just realized...
The Blazers are pretty much done this season. They got Lillard and Vonleh to look forward to. No decent rookies. I was thinking, damn that sucks for them. But then thought, well at least they will probably get a top 5 pick next year. And while they slowly rebuild from the ground up, we'll continue an even slower progression and draft at 12-14 for a while.
Can we just keep Len/Warren/Booker and trade the rest already? Throw Bledsoe and MoBros to the Kings for Willey Cauley-Stein and Ben McLemore. Bledsoe + MoBros for Porzingis/Calderon's contract once the Knicks sign their top free agent. Can our assets even fetch that? Let's embrace the suck for once and have Len/Warren/Booker develop fully and not develop to only be role players.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#313 » by SkinnyOMiller » Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:06 pm

JTrain wrote:Is this acceptable behavior for a GM?

I found it rather crass myself but whatever.


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Meh. I like McDonough, I think its hard to find a good GM in the NBA, or in any sport for that matter. I am more concerned about the ownership interfering in how the team is being run. Sarver has already proven he is **** clueless. I don't know that I've ever wanted to punch someone I didn't know as much as I did Sarver when after the Suns sold off their 1st rounder, with Amare coming back from injury, Sarver said something to the effect of "You wanted a first rounder, here is your first rounder!" with a big goofy ass smile.


I am worried that it doesn't matter who is running the team because Sarver will always find a way to FUBAR things up. When you have a bad coach or a bad GM, the fix is pretty straightforward, when you have a bad owner, the pain just goes on and on and on.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#314 » by SkinnyOMiller » Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:10 pm

Qwigglez wrote:So guys I just realized...
The Blazers are pretty much done this season. They got Lillard and Vonleh to look forward to. No decent rookies. I was thinking, damn that sucks for them. But then thought, well at least they will probably get a top 5 pick next year. And while they slowly rebuild from the ground up, we'll continue an even slower progression and draft at 12-14 for a while.
Can we just keep Len/Warren/Booker and trade the rest already? Throw Bledsoe and MoBros to the Kings for Willey Cauley-Stein and Ben McLemore. Bledsoe + MoBros for Porzingis/Calderon's contract once the Knicks sign their top free agent. Can our assets even fetch that? Let's embrace the suck for once and have Len/Warren/Booker develop fully and not develop to only be role players.




I actually like Brandon Knight, I think he can be a long term guy for this team. I'd be happy to keep him, Len, Warren, Goodwin, Alec Brown, Booker and Wright. The rest can sod off for all I care.


PG-Brandon Knight
SG-Archie Goodwin
SF-T.J. Warren
PF-?
C-Len


Bench-Booker, Brown, Wright, Leuer and maybe a guy like Ish Smith.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#315 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:10 pm

I've seen some people say that it looks like Archie is gone or will be cut out and I agree, this is probably his last year to showcase his worth to us. We're too deep at the 2 now. I actually wonder what this means for Bogdanovich as I kind of thought he was going to be our 2 of the future. I guess it's a good problem to have too many good shooting guards.

I really like Bledsoe but we were pretty terrible at the end of the year last year and I'm wondering if we might be so agian. I'd give Beldsoe and Knight half the season to see what we have here, but if we still look mediocre or poor (11 thru 14 draft seeding), I'd pull the plug on either Bledsoe or Knight and trade one of them away for future draft picks and try and bottom out for the next draft or two.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#316 » by SkinnyOMiller » Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:15 pm

Jarlaxle0204 wrote:trade one of them away for future draft picks and try and bottom out for the next draft or two.



I think that should be the goal from the get-go, but I'm worried that Sarver is going to **** it up by demanding a playoff team so they will go out and sign some half-ass free agent like Carroll or Green, then pressure will be applied to Hornacek to play the veterans primarily and we'll have another **** on our hands and a team that at best ends up as the 7th or 8th seed, but hey, Sarver will get to wave his **** foam finger during a home playoff game so that is all that matters.


Looking at a guy like Simmons and some of the prospects that are available next draft, I would find a way to quickly dump off Bledsoe on someone for picks next year and in the future, dump Tucker for picks or a decent backup PF, get rid of one or both the Morri and put youth first in terms of importance. If the Suns suck this season but ended up with a franchise guy to go along with Knight, Len, Warren, Booker and Goodwin, all would quickly be forgiven.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#317 » by Sunsdeuce » Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:39 pm

Pacers are desperately trying to unload Hibberts contract. I say we do a Kurt Thomas trade with them. We take hibbert off their hands but it will cost them two 1st rounders.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#318 » by Qwigglez » Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:43 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:Pacers are desperately trying to unload Hibberts contract. I say we do a Kurt Thomas trade with them. We take hibbert off their hands but it will cost them two 1st rounders.


I'd rather it cost them Paul George but I guess two 1st rounders wouldn't be bad too.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#319 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:55 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:Pacers are desperately trying to unload Hibberts contract. I say we do a Kurt Thomas trade with them. We take hibbert off their hands but it will cost them two 1st rounders.


If we wait until after free agency starts, something like Hibberts, a 1st and a 2nd for Marcus Morris might work. Hibberts could back up Len. He could be useful in specialized situations.
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Re: Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion 

Post#320 » by Dr Manute » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:20 pm

JTrain wrote:Is this acceptable behavior for a GM?

I found it rather crass myself but whatever.


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