Draft Discussion Part 3

[RaisingArizona]

Other recent highly touted defensive PG's that couldn't shoot:

Dunn
D.Murray
Mudiay
Smart
Exum
Oladipo
MCW

I'd say that so far only 1 has really panned out (Oladipo), and he has been more in a SG role. So is Fox really that much better than those guys listed?

Yes!

[JMac1]

I am still Isaac/Fox. One, if not both of them, will be there.

Still?!? I just don't see it G.... Issac that is.

[Foliohattu]

I really like Isaac, but I think ideal position for him is 4 (mostly because of offensive skill set), so having him with Bender and Chriss seems redundant.

[NTB]

https://deanondraft.com/2017/05/30/lonzo-ball-point-god-or-no-points-guard/

What do you think?

[jredsaz]

My top picks for us:
(Assuming Fultz gone)

- Jackson (I would be happy with Isaac too, maybe more than JJ)
- Isaac
- Fox
- Tatum
- Ball

That's my board exactly.

[NTB]

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[Saberestar]

Malik Monk the first big name working out for us.

It is gonna be interesting to know if any of the players that are in our #4 range does not want to workout for us because of the city, the fit or the competition at his position.
McDonough would not pick that player for sure.

[carey]

My top picks for us:
(Assuming Fultz gone)

- Jackson (I would be happy with Isaac too, maybe more than JJ)
- Isaac
- Fox
- Tatum
- Ball

That's my board exactly.

I'm still at...
1. Monk
2. Tatum
3. Fox
4. Isaac
5. Smith Jr.

[AtheJ415]

Don't understand the Monk love. He's not versatile at all. Basically a scorer, who doesn't do anything else well, has questionable decisionmaking and is undersized for his position (sound familiar?).

He's not a combo guard. He's a SG through and through. I don't see any way he can play the 1 given his passing and decisionmaking.

He thrives on athletic advantage and will be moving to a league full of much better athletes.

I think he's a good player who warrants discussion in the top 10, but I will be hugely disappointed if he is our pick at 4.

[JMac1]

My top picks for us:
(Assuming Fultz gone)

- Jackson (I would be happy with Isaac too, maybe more than JJ)
- Isaac
- Fox
- Tatum
- Ball

That's my board exactly.

I'm still at...
1. Monk
2. Tatum
3. Fox
4. Isaac
5. Smith Jr.

I guess they may be thinking how we are thinking

[Ghost of Kleine]

So what If the 76ers go the most logical route? (mentioned already by Bgood) and decide to trade with the kings. They can trade the #3 pick to Sacramento, Then sac-town can get Deaaron Fox. And Sacramento gives Philly both the 5th and 10th pick. Now Philly can maximize value in the draft by grabbing monk at #5, And still be able to perhaps grab Dennis Smith Jr. at #10. Do we just now take Jackson at #4 and call it a day? Or do you see any other trade scenarios, that McD might alternately be constructing, should that take theoretical scenario take place?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Found this sweet Brandon Knight highlight reel:

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

[Villalobos]

There's a good chance Fox falls to Sac regardless, but even if not they have plenty of options like Dennis Smith + one of the forwards or Ntilikina + foward. Or Dennis Smith + Zach Collins. Ntilikina + Collins. Vlade's pretty dumb so anything is possible, but they shouldn't trade up.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Found this sweet Brandon Knight highlight reel:

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Scary possabilities?

[jcsunsfan]

Don't understand the Monk love. He's not versatile at all. Basically a scorer, who doesn't do anything else well, has questionable decisionmaking and is undersized for his position (sound familiar?).

He's not a combo guard. He's a SG through and through. I don't see any way he can play the 1 given his passing and decisionmaking.

He thrives on athletic advantage and will be moving to a league full of much better athletes.

I think he's a good player who warrants discussion in the top 10, but I will be hugely disappointed if he is our pick at 4.

This article tells why--with the really good stuff at the end. At least this one metric puts Monk really, really, high.

http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2017/03/10/college-prospect-rating-cpr-version-3/

[JDLAW]

I would not be surprised at all if Phila trades their pick for some veteran help and possibly a lower pick. Assuming they can get and keep their players healthy, this team would benefit largely from a veteran presence in the backcourt. That's one of the problems I see with a Sac trade, there are no veteran guards on Sac that would be worth bringing aboard.

I believe the Suns need wing players, there is very little quality depth behind Booker and Warren. Knight could be a reasonable back-up to Booker, but we all know he has not fit into that role very wells far and who knows what his future is with the team. I think Bender's ultimate position is center. I hope you all noticed that when he came back from his ankle injury, he was heavier and stronger. I would not be too surprised to see him as the starting center in 2019-20. He is not a player that you can slot at the 3 for any extended minutes. Jones Jr. is very athletic and should be able to eventually swing between the two positions, but right now he is under skilled and under strength to be able to contribute meaningfully at either position. Finally, the Suns need shooters. Either Jackson or Tatum would be fine, but since I favor offensive players who can shoot, I'd go with Tatum. Too many players like Jackson come into the league with the idea that the team drafting him is going to "fix" his shot and too many times it just does not happen. We'll see.

[Mulhollanddrive]

My feeling is that it'll be Jackson or Isaac.

Tatum isn't the upside athlete that McDonough likes and Fox isn't safe enough to upend our PG.

It is interesting DX has Fox at 4 though as they usually move early with some good mail like Chriss last year.

[MrMiyagi]

Don't understand the Monk love. He's not versatile at all. Basically a scorer, who doesn't do anything else well, has questionable decisionmaking and is undersized for his position (sound familiar?).

He's not a combo guard. He's a SG through and through. I don't see any way he can play the 1 given his passing and decisionmaking.

He thrives on athletic advantage and will be moving to a league full of much better athletes.

I think he's a good player who warrants discussion in the top 10, but I will be hugely disappointed if he is our pick at 4.

This article tells why--with the really good stuff at the end. At least this one metric puts Monk really, really, high.

http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2017/03/10/college-prospect-rating-cpr-version-3/

CPR’s second assumption is that the NBA game is evolving rapidly. The skills needed to compose a competitive NBA roster in 2017 are different from those in 2007 and very different from those in 1997. For example, today’s teams rarely depend on post up offense and instead, heavily depend on 3-point shooting.

So that CPR is more predictive of future success in the NBA than indicative of what would have been successful in the past, it does not use regressions. Instead, CPR weights skills according to what modern basketball analytics studies suggest are important today and predict will be vital in the future. In addition, these weights in CPR should be recalibrated regularly to reflect the most modern research. This year, we’ve decided to do just that, but before we go into the details, there’s one more very important assumption to discuss.

.......

As CPR evolved two small-sample issues developed. First, some players didn’t play that many games (e.g. Kyrie Irving). To accommodate this, previous versions made case-by-case adjustments. For example, Irving might be judged on only his top 5 performances as opposed to his top 10 since he missed more than half of the season. We standardized this in the new model. Any player that played less than 20 games is judged on his top 7 performances.

So wait, CPR is a moving target case by case and year by year, so has no real way of ever really being consistent or accountable?

I also love that his algorithm produced the same number for James Harden, Anthony Bennett and Alex Len.

[Frank Lee]

Don't understand the Monk love. He's not versatile at all. Basically a scorer, who doesn't do anything else well, has questionable decisionmaking and is undersized for his position (sound familiar?).

He's not a combo guard. He's a SG through and through. I don't see any way he can play the 1 given his passing and decisionmaking.

He thrives on athletic advantage and will be moving to a league full of much better athletes.

I think he's a good player who warrants discussion in the top 10, but I will be hugely disappointed if he is our pick at 4.

There's not too many with 42 inch verticals who can stop and pop like this kid. Plus, how cool will it be when he gets his own rooting section with a bunch of dudes in robes. Then add in a Gregorian chant every time he hits a three .... oh brother.

Watch on YouTube

Monk... for the obvious AND the intangibles
Collins... sure bet need filler. Fundamentally sound.


no need to list more as one of these guys will be there......

[Waylay13]

Don't understand the Monk love. He's not versatile at all. Basically a scorer, who doesn't do anything else well, has questionable decisionmaking and is undersized for his position (sound familiar?).

He's not a combo guard. He's a SG through and through. I don't see any way he can play the 1 given his passing and decisionmaking.

He thrives on athletic advantage and will be moving to a league full of much better athletes.

I think he's a good player who warrants discussion in the top 10, but I will be hugely disappointed if he is our pick at 4.

There's not too many with 42 inch verticals who can stop and pop like this kid. Plus, how cool will it be when he gets his own rooting section with a bunch of dudes in robes. Then add in a Gregorian chant every time he hits a three .... oh brother.

Watch on YouTube

Monk... for the obvious AND the intangibles
Collins... sure bet need filler. Fundamentally sound.


no need to list more as one of these guys will be there......

The problem is that Monk is a shooting guard so that means he will be backing up Booker who gets 35 minutes.