Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion

[RaisingArizona]

If we are in play for LBJ next offseason, I expect us to keep EB just in case.

[lilfishi22]

From Denver for Bledsoe I would want Mudiay (likely bust but you take a chance on his athleticism), a pick, Arthur (has to be included for salary purposes) and one of Hernangomez or Lyles. They have a TON of PF's anyways, so I think we should be able to get one of those guys from them (still have Milsap, Faried, the remaining PF between Hernangomez or Lyles, and Lydon), or if not maybe another pick. I would then look to dump Arthur at the deadline.

That seems like a lot. I think at most you get, Arthur, Mudiay and one of either a pick or Hernangomez/Lyles.

[AtheJ415]

From Denver for Bledsoe I would want Mudiay (likely bust but you take a chance on his athleticism), a pick, Arthur (has to be included for salary purposes) and one of Hernangomez or Lyles. They have a TON of PF's anyways, so I think we should be able to get one of those guys from them (still have Milsap, Faried, the remaining PF between Hernangomez or Lyles, and Lydon), or if not maybe another pick. I would then look to dump Arthur at the deadline.

That seems like a lot. I think at most you get, Arthur, Mudiay and one of either a pick or Hernangomez/Lyles.

They currently have 6 PFs. Milsap, Faried, Arthur, Hernangomez, Lyles, Lydon. Arthur has no value to us. He just has to be included for salary, and right now Aldrich gets the same money for fewer years and is commanding a first just to dump. Mudiay has some potential but has not shown much to make him all that valuable. Neither has Lyles for that matter.

To me you get a late 1st, a project who is likely to bust in Mudiay, and a 2nd project in Lyles, while taking on Arthur. That isn't all that much imo. It is 2+ years from their respective drafts. Where they were drafted no longer determines their value--their stats do, and Bledsoe has a lot more value than any of those guys.

[Villalobos]

Keep Bled and go after Boogie in FA. He's the only current star I think the Suns have any chance of signing.

[bwgood77]

From Denver for Bledsoe I would want Mudiay (likely bust but you take a chance on his athleticism), a pick, Arthur (has to be included for salary purposes) and one of Hernangomez or Lyles. They have a TON of PF's anyways, so I think we should be able to get one of those guys from them (still have Milsap, Faried, the remaining PF between Hernangomez or Lyles, and Lydon), or if not maybe another pick. I would then look to dump Arthur at the deadline.

That seems like a lot. I think at most you get, Arthur, Mudiay and one of either a pick or Hernangomez/Lyles.

I'd take the pick...likely late teens, and maybe Jameer Nelson for a vet PG...not sure if they have another vet PG, but I think we could use a vet PG with Bledsoe gone in this case.

McD may want to hold onto Bledsoe for competitive purposes (though if they are saying they want high picks, maybe not) and either trade him at the deadline, next offseason, the next deadline, or if Paul is unreasonable, just let him walk like Detroit did with KCP and sign another cheaper PG if we think Ulis is ready. Also, with all of our picks, we could possibly get another one if Mudiay looks worthless.

[bwgood77]

From Denver for Bledsoe I would want Mudiay (likely bust but you take a chance on his athleticism), a pick, Arthur (has to be included for salary purposes) and one of Hernangomez or Lyles. They have a TON of PF's anyways, so I think we should be able to get one of those guys from them (still have Milsap, Faried, the remaining PF between Hernangomez or Lyles, and Lydon), or if not maybe another pick. I would then look to dump Arthur at the deadline.

That seems like a lot. I think at most you get, Arthur, Mudiay and one of either a pick or Hernangomez/Lyles.

They currently have 6 PFs. Milsap, Faried, Arthur, Hernangomez, Lyles, Lydon. Arthur has no value to us. He just has to be included for salary, and right now Aldrich gets the same money for fewer years and is commanding a first just to dump. Mudiay has some potential but has not shown much to make him all that valuable. Neither has Lyles for that matter.

To me you get a late 1st, a project who is likely to bust in Mudiay, and a 2nd project in Lyles, while taking on Arthur. That isn't all that much imo. It is 2+ years from their respective drafts. Where they were drafted no longer determines their value--their stats do, and Bledsoe has a lot more value than any of those guys.

I like Lyles, but we have plenty of PFs who we need to develop, and Arthur could play a bit as he is a good 3 pt shooter until the rest develop.

[bwgood77]

From Denver for Bledsoe I would want Mudiay (likely bust but you take a chance on his athleticism), a pick, Arthur (has to be included for salary purposes) and one of Hernangomez or Lyles. They have a TON of PF's anyways, so I think we should be able to get one of those guys from them (still have Milsap, Faried, the remaining PF between Hernangomez or Lyles, and Lydon), or if not maybe another pick. I would then look to dump Arthur at the deadline.

That seems like a lot. I think at most you get, Arthur, Mudiay and one of either a pick or Hernangomez/Lyles.

They currently have 6 PFs. Milsap, Faried, Arthur, Hernangomez, Lyles, Lydon. Arthur has no value to us. He just has to be included for salary, and right now Aldrich gets the same money for fewer years and is commanding a first just to dump. Mudiay has some potential but has not shown much to make him all that valuable. Neither has Lyles for that matter.

To me you get a late 1st, a project who is likely to bust in Mudiay, and a 2nd project in Lyles, while taking on Arthur. That isn't all that much imo. It is 2+ years from their respective drafts. Where they were drafted no longer determines their value--their stats do, and Bledsoe has a lot more value than any of those guys.

I like Lyles, but we have plenty of PFs who we need to develop, and Arthur could play a bit as he is a good 3 pt shooter until the rest develop.

[bwgood77]

If we are in play for LBJ next offseason, I expect us to keep EB just in case.

We are not in play for him. That's a pipe dream. He will want to go to a more competitive team and not a rebuilding one. If the Lakers sign George, maybe there, but good chance he stays in Cleveland too.

[carey]

Brandon Knight for Meyers Leonard, Shabazz Napier and a second round pick?

That's a hard no from me. Meyers is absolutely terrible.

unless Meyers Leonard expires in 2018 - nope

Same amount of years left but $31M owed versus $44M owed over the 3 seasons. There's no way Portland would take Knight though. Didd you know they spend $50M per year on just Lillard and McCollum? Has to be the most expensive back court in the league since Wall hasn't taken his extension yet. Well maybe not since Curry finally got paid. Portland also pays their backup SG sometimes SF Crabbe $18.5M a year. So that's almost $70M a year on 3 guards. Weird.

[DirtyDez]

That seems like a lot. I think at most you get, Arthur, Mudiay and one of either a pick or Hernangomez/Lyles.

They currently have 6 PFs. Milsap, Faried, Arthur, Hernangomez, Lyles, Lydon. Arthur has no value to us. He just has to be included for salary, and right now Aldrich gets the same money for fewer years and is commanding a first just to dump. Mudiay has some potential but has not shown much to make him all that valuable. Neither has Lyles for that matter.

To me you get a late 1st, a project who is likely to bust in Mudiay, and a 2nd project in Lyles, while taking on Arthur. That isn't all that much imo. It is 2+ years from their respective drafts. Where they were drafted no longer determines their value--their stats do, and Bledsoe has a lot more value than any of those guys.

I like Lyles, but we have plenty of PFs who we need to develop, and Arthur could play a bit as he is a good 3 pt shooter until the rest develop.

Lyles was one and done on that UK team with Booker and Ulis right? That might be a young guy they could bring in and not mess with chemistry much. Mudiay, Lyles and a protected pick.

[i505]

Why even move Bledsoe? And why would we want to move him for multiple (crappy) players and a mid pick? We already have too many players as it is, and if anything we should be looking for moves that do the opposite and trade quantity for quality.

Bledsoe / Ulis / Price / James
Booker / Knight / Reed / Millsap
Warren / Jackson / Dudley / DJJ
Chriss / Bender / Peters
Chandler / Sauce / Len

Let Price walk, send Millsap back down to NAS, ship Duds to a contender, and we're 3 deep at every position.

Bledsoe / Ulis / James
Booker / Knight / Reed
Warren / Jackson / DJJ
Chriss / Bender / Peters
Chandler / Sauce / Len

Roll with that for the season. The losses will pile up. Shut down the vets early like last year if the tank race is getting tight. Draft Ayton/Bamba. Trade Chandler's expiring. Dump/stretch/kill Knight. Trim the rest of the fat. Hold Lebron and Cousins at gun point to force a signing.

Bledsoe / Ulis
Booker / Warren
Lebron / Jackson
Chriss / Bender
Cousins / Ayton

Voila! Contender.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Not a fan of making a trade where you give up the best player.

Arthur, Hernangomez, Mudiay, Nelson and a mid-first are just stuff.

[RaisingArizona]

If we are in play for LBJ next offseason, I expect us to keep EB just in case.

We are not in play for him. That's a pipe dream. He will want to go to a more competitive team and not a rebuilding one. If the Lakers sign George, maybe there, but good chance he stays in Cleveland too.

That's not what some national pundits are saying. Not likely but possible, imo.

[AtheJ415]

Why even move Bledsoe? And why would we want to move him for multiple (crappy) players and a mid pick? We already have too many players as it is, and if anything we should be looking for moves that do the opposite and trade quantity for quality.

Bledsoe / Ulis / Price / James
Booker / Knight / Reed / Millsap
Warren / Jackson / Dudley / DJJ
Chriss / Bender / Peters
Chandler / Sauce / Len

Let Price walk, send Millsap back down to NAS, ship Duds to a contender, and we're 3 deep at every position.

Bledsoe / Ulis / James
Booker / Knight / Reed
Warren / Jackson / DJJ
Chriss / Bender / Peters
Chandler / Sauce / Len

Roll with that for the season. The losses will pile up. Shut down the vets early like last year if the tank race is getting tight. Draft Ayton/Bamba. Trade Chandler's expiring. Dump/stretch/kill Knight. Trim the rest of the fat. Hold Lebron and Cousins at gun point to force a signing.

Bledsoe / Ulis
Booker / Warren
Lebron / Jackson
Chriss / Bender
Cousins / Ayton

Voila! Contender.

I am not sure that would quite get us to 2 max deals, particularly the types of maxes Lebron and Cousins would gather. Unless Lebron tells James Jones he's coming we should move Bledsoe while his value is highest. It would help our pick this year, free up minutes for Ulis, maybe give Knight the opportunity to rehabilitate his value thus allowing us to move him, and we also then don't have to then pay Bledsoe $25+ mill a year when his contract opens back up.

Also, Mudiay (if he does fix his shot, and crazier things have happened--look at Jimmy Butler at the same age) fits better with our core. Lyles already knows Ulis and Booker, and may be able to play a little 5 for us (has a 9' standing reach, 7'2" wingspan).

[AtheJ415]

Not a fan of making a trade where you give up the best player.

Arthur, Hernangomez, Mudiay, Nelson and a mid-first are just stuff.

I would love to package Bledsoe for a star who better fits the team, but who do you think we could package Bledsoe with to get the best player? The only possible guy I could think of that would have made sense for us was Porzingis, which seems to have closed its door with Jackson being fired. And that was only maybe possible because of how bad Jackson was.

The reality is that teams trading stars are usually looking to rebuild. They usually aren't looking for a 28 year old PG with a bad history of knee injuries. Thus, I don't see Bledsoe being a part of a trade for a star unless the GM is bad or the situation particularly unusual.

So basically, if he is not going to fit a trade for a star (and I don't think he will), and you don't want to give up the best player, the only other option is to keep him and pay him $25-30 mil a year in 2 years, which I am 1000% not a fan of.

Thus, I would rather further reinforce our young group and add more picks to trade up with in the draft or get a young star once available. The picks are much more likely to be attractive to a rebuilding team after moving a star unless they are in contention even without the star. I can't recall a trade like that happening in the modern NBA.

[m1chal]

I'm all for trading Bled for value but this Denver trade seems just meh to me. We should look to trade him at the deadline (unless a biannual knee injury occurs *knocks on wood*).

[ryanball]

That's not what some national pundits are saying. Not likely but possible, imo.

Yeah, maybe adding JJ to the front office and having Bledsoe gives us a shot, however unlikely.

Keeping Bled with that in mind seems reasonable. That plus, he's also just a rather good PG and there's probably no amazing value deals on offer anyway.

That's as far as it goes for me though. We are not allowed to sign Wade to some big stupid contract just to have him in a meeting.

[thamadkant]

I really felt that Rubio would be better for with the scoring mentality of the Suns youth.

PG is 50% decision making 50% ability.... Bledsoe is a good talented player who can find ways to score for himself. But Suns need a facilitator who makes good decisions... Mainly pushing the ball and finding open men.

The Jazz needs a 20ppg scorer since Hayward left... So if Suns can ask for a future first rounder along Rubio for Bledsoe... I would do it.

[m1chal]

I really felt that Rubio would be better for with the scoring mentality of the Suns youth.
So if Suns can ask for a future first rounder along Rubio for Bledsoe... I would do it.

A no-brainer to me. I love passing PGs, to me this is a part of Suns' identity as a team and one of the reasons I've become a fan.

[carey]

I'm sorry but I can't believe some of you want to add Rubio to a team whose biggest weakness outside of defense is shooting.
Rubio-Booker-Jackson(Warren)-Chriss-Chandler

There's no spacing. That team would be awful. Would have to hope to win games 95-94.