Almost off-season discussion! Trades/Free Agency Ep. 9

[DaleyBlind]

If there is nothing wrong with Ayton's attitude then his floor would be an athletic KAT. Say no to a Towns for Ayton trade.

Righhhhhht....

[papajoe]

Wouldn't do it. Towns isnt a winning player.

[Worst_to_First]

If there is nothing wrong with Ayton's attitude then his floor would be an athletic KAT. Say no to a Towns for Ayton trade.

Righhhhhht....

Yep.

[sunsbg]

Looks like Ayton's skeptics have Towns as his ceiling, while Ayton's supporters as his floor. Is this right ?

[JMac1]

Knowing what Deandre Ayton could become is enough reason to take him #1 overall

I wish you were in our FO!! Exactly. Can you imagine if you guys would have traded Kobe for an established player because Kobe could have busted?!? Makes no sense.

your reasoning makes no sense. You can only say that because you know he didn't bust. It's easy to be a general after a won battle. Would you say the same for Anthony Bennet, KBrown or Wiggins? I don't think so either

Your reasoning makes no sense. If that was the case, then every number one pick would have gotten traded. And my reasoning does makes sense, because most teams aren’t foolish enough to do that, that’s why it hardly ever happens.

[JMac1]

Knowing what Deandre Ayton could become is enough reason to take him #1 overall

I wish you were in our FO!! Exactly. Can you imagine if you guys would have traded Kobe for an established player because Kobe could have busted?!? Makes no sense.

That logic goes both ways....Can you Imagine not trading Anthony Bennett for an establised star because of not knowing what he could become

Can you imagine trading Tim Duncan Shaq Hakeem AD et all? Let’s go Year by year and see what makes more sense.

[Mulhollanddrive]

What if you trade a number 1 pick for number 1 pick.

[AtheJ415]

Wouldn't mind either way the goal is to get All-Stars.

I don't really get the phenomenom of bagging star players any time they're mentioned as a trade target.

Its not bagging on him, everyone knows that KAT is a great F'n player that we would have LOVED to have prior to the lotto.

My biggest issue is that we have the top pick in the draft and have the chance to draft a guy that is supposed to pretty much be a more athletic version of him. We have that pick and can draft that guy. Ayton is from here (Somewhat) and wants to play here, and has a built in fanbase already. Sure KAT is buddies with Booker, but who knows where he wants to be. With KAT, we would have to give up quite a few assets to get him. besides the #1, its going to take a package of Jackson/future 1sts and maybe even a Warren for Wiggins (Or Teague) swap as well. And then on top of that, unlike whoever we draft at #1, KAT is in the last season of his rookie deal, so expect to pay the kid $20M+ EASILY (Where Ayton would cost us less than half that for the next 4 years). Thats why people arnt down with the Kat trade, its not because he is a star, its because it would cost us too damn much in the long run.

If we could keep Booker/Jackson/1st and still get KAT, im all for it as im sure everyone would be, but the fact of the matter is that it would cost us way more than that.

Sorry, but you guys are insane. The standard star player trade is 3 1sts. It is incredibly rare for the 1st overall pick to be offered up and in the past when that has happened it has been enough on its own to get the star (Wiggins for Love). It is beyond me why message boards on realgm propose these crazy trades where 6-7 firsts or recent and promising former first round picks are out the door. In this one,you have #1, Jackson, future 1sts, Warren, and taking on bad salary. That is just absurd and nowhere close to any package that would be given up for even Towns. Stars do not get equal value in this league. It just does not happen aside from maybe the Melo trade.

[AtheJ415]

KAT is an amazing offensive player but a horrible defender. I don't know about giving up 1 for him. I would consider trading our picks the next 2 years including our Miami and Milwaukee picks just to avoid giving up Jackson or #1, and frankly, 4 firsts over the next 2 years is a lot, and our 2nd this year is basically a 1st, so that is about 5 1st rounders.

The real problem is that for this to happen you are dealing with Thibs, who loves vets. We don't have quality vets.

[AtheJ415]

Thats a quantity for quality deal, and it's not very good for Minnesota. The only way KAT comes to Phoenix is for #1 or Josh Jackson and add-ons. Even then, JJ doesn't make much sense because they have Butler and Wiggins in the way.

NEARLY EVERY trade for a star is a quantity for quality deal and is not considered very good for the team dealing the star. That is how the NBA works. The stars are hard to get and the lack of players on the court means they are incredibly valuable and thus do not get equal value when traded.

[BobbieL]

I think I am still wanting Ayton more than KAT though Towns does have the offensive skill set. Defense lacking

I just think it would cost a lot to get Towns and at end of the day - not sure with the assets given up - the team will be better

Again, look at the WArriors and Sixers at the veterans they traded for or signed - core guys that might be all -stars but just solid NBA professionals

If I am Ryan - I am still trying to get better value out of the 27m of explirings in Daniels, Dudley and Chandler - even if it costs a first rounder - for the right player

Warren might be in the fold to trade

And use your cap space wisely

[mabundo_nagumbe]

I wish you were in our FO!! Exactly. Can you imagine if you guys would have traded Kobe for an established player because Kobe could have busted?!? Makes no sense.

your reasoning makes no sense. You can only say that because you know he didn't bust. It's easy to be a general after a won battle. Would you say the same for Anthony Bennet, KBrown or Wiggins? I don't think so either

Your reasoning makes no sense. If that was the case, then every number one pick would have gotten traded. And my reasoning does makes sense, because most teams aren’t foolish enough to do that, that’s why it hardly ever happens.

"If that was the case..." - What case man, can you elaborate?
I have just shown you that your argument makes no sense, because when Kobe was drafted as #13, nobody could have known that he was gonna be an all time great player. So if anybody would trade #13 pick prior to 1st official game, nobody would really be upset, because it's impossible to predict that.
And then I have you another example, you can't even predict that for #1 pick.
So, you could have used the same argument for Bennet, and say "Can you imagine if you guys would have traded Bennet for an established player because Bennet could have busted?!? Makes no sense." - Except in this case it would make sense, but again, nobody could have known that he was gonna bust.
But of course you didn't put bennet, you just used Kobe because you knew he wasn't a bust, so this is why you argument is plain stupid.

And i think by the number of and1's i got, the "judges (or the public)" agree with me more. Your reply to my post make zero sense, since nobody ever said that every pick should be traded because a few guys busted, neither did anybody say that every team has to keep their picks, or at least i never said that, neither can it be derived from what I have said. And don't start with arguments such as - what "most teams" are doing, nobody who thinks with his own head is gonna decide on the basis of what the majority does or thinks, because the majority is stupid. It's called herd behavior - andthe GM's probably didn't come to their position by doing what others do.
Next time take a breath, and think before you start typing.

[bwgood77]

I think that is absolutely true that the Wolves are "shopping" Towns...but only for a super expensive package.

It is really interesting how McDonough has changed his view about trading the #1 pick in the last couple of days.

Just after the lottery he said something along the lines of "highly unlikely" to be traded and in his latest interview with Woj he is more like "we are open to trade the #1 pick if..."

It is only an small change, but that tells me that he has his eyes in someone like Towns and he probably knows that it can be done.

I am not sure about trading #1 (Ayton or Doncic basically) for Towns, but I am pretty sure that he is the perfect option for this team to be a way better team next season...and probably in the future.

At the end of the day I think I would make the trade. Towns has improved this last season defensively and on offense he is a monster and the perfect modern C.

He is a verified great player in the NBA (every prospect has bust potential), young and we can extend him easily.

Glen Taylor would get rid of Thibs before signing off on a deal to trade Towns...from a pretty good source.

[saintEscaton]

I think we need to slow down. Ayton is more comfortable with his back to the basket at this stage of his career and has more go to moves but his shooting motion needs a lot of work to elevate his arc to meet the NBA 3pt line. KAT's handle/off the bounce skills and knockdown ability from anywhere on the floor is ridiculous for a 7 footer and he was posting splits like 55.5/42.5/85.5 with 20.4/12.1/2.4 taking almost 4 treys a game and was on pace to join Nash/Curry as only players to shoot 40% from deep while having a 65 TS% on at least 10 FGAs. His stroke is as pure as some of the all time great shooters, not just for a big. By college production: Davis 18.7 BPM, Towns 17.3 BPM, Embiid 14.9 BPM, Ayton 10.9 BPM although Ayton had the best scoring season per minute production out of any of them but was inferior in every other department besides rebounding.

[Fo-Real]

I think we need to slow down. Ayton is more comfortable with his back to the basket at this stage of his career and has more go to moves but his shooting motion needs a lot of work to elevate his arc to meet the NBA 3pt line. KAT's handle/off the bounce ability and knockdown ability from anywhere on the floor is ridiculous for a big, and he was posting splits like 55.5/42.5/85.5 with 20.4/12.1/2.4 taking almost 4 treys a game and was on pace to join Nash/Curry as only players to shoot 40% from deep while having a 65 TS% on at least 10 FGAs. He is basically a 7 foot guard with the pure stroke to boot. By college production: Davis 18.7 BPM, Towns 17.3 BPM, Embiid 14.9 BPM, Ayton 10.9 BPM although Ayton had the best scoring season per minute season out of any of them but everything else left a lot to be desired.

Get it, but no one is going too fast, everyone knows he is 18 and is nowhere near a finished product. This is why his defense being judged upon is foolish, he will get better if only through better or consistent system and understanding of who he is on the floor growing with (book, Josh etc) he will find a nich.

[Fo-Real]

KAT is an all-star no doubt, he would be a God send. His defense and footspeed suck.

[saintEscaton]

I think we need to slow down. Ayton is more comfortable with his back to the basket at this stage of his career and has more go to moves but his shooting motion needs a lot of work to elevate his arc to meet the NBA 3pt line. KAT's handle/off the bounce ability and knockdown ability from anywhere on the floor is ridiculous for a big, and he was posting splits like 55.5/42.5/85.5 with 20.4/12.1/2.4 taking almost 4 treys a game and was on pace to join Nash/Curry as only players to shoot 40% from deep while having a 65 TS% on at least 10 FGAs. He is basically a 7 foot guard with the pure stroke to boot. By college production: Davis 18.7 BPM, Towns 17.3 BPM, Embiid 14.9 BPM, Ayton 10.9 BPM although Ayton had the best scoring season per minute season out of any of them but everything else left a lot to be desired.

Get it, but no one is going too fast, everyone knows he is 18 and is nowhere near a finished product. This is why his defense being judged upon is foolish, he will get better if only through better or consistent system and understanding of who he is on the floor growing with (book, Josh etc) he will find a nich.

We get 3 more cost controlled years on a rookie salary for Ayton, so I would lean towards keeping him but KAT is still the better talent IMO. He graded out as a plus defender in college and heavily regressed after his rookie season in the league, doesn't look too promising for Ayton but he has a stronger lower body and trunks for legs.

[JMac1]

your reasoning makes no sense. You can only say that because you know he didn't bust. It's easy to be a general after a won battle. Would you say the same for Anthony Bennet, KBrown or Wiggins? I don't think so either

Your reasoning makes no sense. If that was the case, then every number one pick would have gotten traded. And my reasoning does makes sense, because most teams aren’t foolish enough to do that, that’s why it hardly ever happens.

"If that was the case..." - What case man, can you elaborate?
I have just shown you that your argument makes no sense, because when Kobe was drafted as #13, nobody could have known that he was gonna be an all time great player. So if anybody would trade #13 pick prior to 1st official game, nobody would really be upset, because it's impossible to predict that.
And then I have you another example, you can't even predict that for #1 pick.
So, you could have used the same argument for Bennet, and say "Can you imagine if you guys would have traded Bennet for an established player because Bennet could have busted?!? Makes no sense." - Except in this case it would make sense, but again, nobody could have known that he was gonna bust.
But of course you didn't put bennet, you just used Kobe because you knew he wasn't a bust, so this is why you argument is plain stupid.

And i think by the number of and1's i got, the "judges (or the public)" agree with me more. Your reply to my post make zero sense, since nobody ever said that every pick should be traded because a few guys busted, neither did anybody say that every team has to keep their picks, or at least i never said that, neither can it be derived from what I have said. And don't start with arguments such as - what "most teams" are doing, nobody who thinks with his own head is gonna decide on the basis of what the majority does or thinks, because the majority is stupid. It's called herd behavior - andthe GM's probably didn't come to their position by doing what others do.
Next time take a breath, and think before you start typing.

Man I’m not arguing with you. You have no clue. Type all the madness you want. You have no clue. Lmao! You keep talking about Bennet. What about the last 40 number 1 picks? How many busted and how many were trade for an establish player?

Don’t bother looking it up, because you still won’t be able to understand my point. There are a lot of people in this world like you, so it’s ok. Have a good one

[Fo-Real]

I think we need to slow down. Ayton is more comfortable with his back to the basket at this stage of his career and has more go to moves but his shooting motion needs a lot of work to elevate his arc to meet the NBA 3pt line. KAT's handle/off the bounce ability and knockdown ability from anywhere on the floor is ridiculous for a big, and he was posting splits like 55.5/42.5/85.5 with 20.4/12.1/2.4 taking almost 4 treys a game and was on pace to join Nash/Curry as only players to shoot 40% from deep while having a 65 TS% on at least 10 FGAs. He is basically a 7 foot guard with the pure stroke to boot. By college production: Davis 18.7 BPM, Towns 17.3 BPM, Embiid 14.9 BPM, Ayton 10.9 BPM although Ayton had the best scoring season per minute season out of any of them but everything else left a lot to be desired.

Get it, but no one is going too fast, everyone knows he is 18 and is nowhere near a finished product. This is why his defense being judged upon is foolish, he will get better if only through better or consistent system and understanding of who he is on the floor growing with (book, Josh etc) he will find a nich.

We get 3 more cost controlled years on a rookie salary for Ayton, so I would lean towards keeping him but KAT is still the better talent IMO. He graded out as a plus defender in college and heavily regressed after his rookie season in the league, doesn't look too promising for Ayton but he has a stronger lower body and trunks for legs.

Without a doubt I agree wit ya brutha.

[TeamTragic]

If there is nothing wrong with Ayton's attitude then his floor would be an athletic KAT. Say no to a Towns for Ayton trade.

Exactly. Nice try Wolves