2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

[Desertfox]

Id be all for Tyler Bey if we could swing an Oubre for Markakken trade, otherwise I want a PF. With Ayton turning into a beast defensively, I believe Toppin would be the best fit.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Id be all for Tyler Bey if we could swing an Oubre for Markakken trade, otherwise I want a PF. With Ayton turning into a beast defensively, I believe Toppin would be the best fit.

Agreed. I was really hoping for Markannen. If not, Id and we don't fall into the top 3-4 of the draft, I'd look to trade Oubre to either New York ( *** Desperate for any potential star) for maybe Portis and their pick ( #25). Use on Tyler Bey ( defense) or Saddiq Bey ( Bench scoring/ 3 point shooting).

Or maybe to Minnesota for Oubre/ Diallo for a pick swap/ James Johnson and the (16th pick). Use that on Devin Vassell , Isaac Okoro, Tyler Bey, Or Precious Achiuwa perhaps (** To replace Oubre).

Then trade Elie (* option picked up) and a future 2nd to a team like Dallas for the ( #31st pick) from Golden state, Or to Charlotte for the (34th pick) perhaps. And take Grant Riller. Ideally though, we move into the top 4 for Toppin, And then just purchase a 2nd round pick for Grant Riller, Or a mid to late first for Tyler or Saddiq Bey. But either way, I would look a an Oubre trade in order to secure his eventual replacement behind Bridges.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Id be all for Tyler Bey if we could swing an Oubre for Markakken trade, otherwise I want a PF. With Ayton turning into a beast defensively, I believe Toppin would be the best fit.

Don't you think the success of the Bridges/Oubre front line indicates that another wing might be useful? I sure do. We got awful thin at the 3 (and the 2) when Cam went down, and we'll be seeing a lot of Saric now with Oubre out.

BPA and all that.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Id be all for Tyler Bey if we could swing an Oubre for Markakken trade, otherwise I want a PF. With Ayton turning into a beast defensively, I believe Toppin would be the best fit.

Don't you think the success of the Bridges/Oubre front line indicates that another wing might be useful? I sure do. We got awful thin at the 3 (and the 2) when Cam went down, and we'll be seeing a lot of Saric now with Oubre out.

BPA and all that.

I think that Tyler Bey or Isaac Okoro would provide critically needed perimeter defense, and rebounding help too. I love Tyler Bey though, As he's simply an ELITE rebounder and defender. Which are two areas of great need for us.

I'd love to land in the top 3-4 of the draft, And be able to flip one of Ball ( to New York or Minnesota) for a pick swap and their later pick in the draft. New York has a pick in the 20s' and Minnesota has an additional pick in the mid to late teens. *** Take Tyler Bey to become Oubres' eventual replacement. Statistically, He's better in alot of areas too.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tyler-bey--kelly-oubre. So his projection could/ should quite likely be better too.

And then buy or trade for a early 2nd to add Grant Riller ( Super potent poised, efficient guard). No joke, He's going to become Van Vleet 2.0 Maybe Elie And Diallo to either Dallas or Charlotte for a 2nd???

Toppin and Riller would provide us super potent, efficient scoring in both the frontcourt and backcourt. And Tyler Bey would provide elite perimeter defense and rebounding, And even some weak side rim protection too. Then you go get your target vets in free agency and are set for next season.

[bwgood77]

Id be all for Tyler Bey if we could swing an Oubre for Markakken trade, otherwise I want a PF. With Ayton turning into a beast defensively, I believe Toppin would be the best fit.

Don't you think the success of the Bridges/Oubre front line indicates that another wing might be useful? I sure do. We got awful thin at the 3 (and the 2) when Cam went down, and we'll be seeing a lot of Saric now with Oubre out.

BPA and all that.

You think he could be BPA? Maybe being a Jr I guess he might be more ready, though it's still by far our deepest position. But the draft boards have him in the mid 30s...with tankathon in mid 20s (though he's 29 in their mock).

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Id be all for Tyler Bey if we could swing an Oubre for Markakken trade, otherwise I want a PF. With Ayton turning into a beast defensively, I believe Toppin would be the best fit.

Don't you think the success of the Bridges/Oubre front line indicates that another wing might be useful? I sure do. We got awful thin at the 3 (and the 2) when Cam went down, and we'll be seeing a lot of Saric now with Oubre out.

BPA and all that.

You think he could be BPA? Maybe being a Jr I guess he might be more ready, though it's still by far our deepest position. But the draft boards have him in the mid 30s...with tankathon in mid 20s (though he's 29 in their mock).

Mmmm... it's not necessarily that I think Bey is BPA. I just think you go for the guy who can play, regardless of position (with perhaps the exception of PG).

But I strongly caution against using those draft boards as indicators of a player's quality. Not only are they all over the place, but they're just so often wrong. Of course, it's not like the stats are always good indicators, either. It's complicated. Bey may be taken in the second round and end up a quality starter. But you know all this.

[bwgood77]

Don't you think the success of the Bridges/Oubre front line indicates that another wing might be useful? I sure do. We got awful thin at the 3 (and the 2) when Cam went down, and we'll be seeing a lot of Saric now with Oubre out.

BPA and all that.

You think he could be BPA? Maybe being a Jr I guess he might be more ready, though it's still by far our deepest position. But the draft boards have him in the mid 30s...with tankathon in mid 20s (though he's 29 in their mock).

Mmmm... it's not necessarily that I think Bey is BPA. I just think you go for the guy who can play, regardless of position (with perhaps the exception of PG).

But I strongly caution against using those draft boards as indicators of a player's quality. Not only are they all over the place, but they're just so often wrong. Of course, it's not like the stats are always good indicators, either. It's complicated. Bey may be taken in the second round and end up a quality starter. But you know all this.

Sure, I've seen your favorites over the year, and know you really liked guys projected 10th-14th, etc, but also don't recall you liking a guy projected in the 2nd to take with a lotto pick. He could be a good player, and is kind of in the Cam mold, where he is an upper classmen who is not ranked particularly high, though Cam was projected to go higher. And it's not a very good draft, so I suppose an argument could be made with not a lot of separation between players, to take a guy at a position of need. I guess we just differ on whether or not a SF is our biggest need. I think it's probably last among our needs, unless we just want tons of wings to play 2-4. Of course if you think a guy is clearly BPA, then you take him, though I'm not sure I trust James Jones to do that with his two picks last year.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

You think he could be BPA? Maybe being a Jr I guess he might be more ready, though it's still by far our deepest position. But the draft boards have him in the mid 30s...with tankathon in mid 20s (though he's 29 in their mock).

Mmmm... it's not necessarily that I think Bey is BPA. I just think you go for the guy who can play, regardless of position (with perhaps the exception of PG).

But I strongly caution against using those draft boards as indicators of a player's quality. Not only are they all over the place, but they're just so often wrong. Of course, it's not like the stats are always good indicators, either. It's complicated. Bey may be taken in the second round and end up a quality starter. But you know all this.

Sure, I've seen your favorites over the year, and know you really liked guys projected 10th-14th, etc, but also don't recall you liking a guy projected in the 2nd to take with a lotto pick. He could be a good player, and is kind of in the Cam mold, where he is an upper classmen who is not ranked particularly high, though Cam was projected to go higher. And it's not a very good draft, so I suppose an argument could be made with not a lot of separation between players, to take a guy at a position of need. I guess we just differ on whether or not a SF is our biggest need. I think it's probably last among our needs, unless we just want tons of wings to play 2-4. Of course if you think a guy is clearly BPA, then you take him, though I'm not sure I trust James Jones to do that with his two picks last year.

Sounds like you're making the case that we should just draft for need, since we couldn't even identify BPA (so why try?).

Bey reminds me in of Marion in the way he moves and in his statistical production. Marion was projected to go at the back of the lottery. Bey didn't do much against UA, as you pointed out. I just put a lot of stock in the eye test and the stats, and a lot less in where players are projected to fall in the draft. I acknowledge this isn't a perfect method: you miss on players like Donovan Mitchell, and Bam Adebayo if you're just looking at stats without context. I remember thinking Damion James would be solid from the 2010 draft, because of his rebounding and blocks, but he couldn't do none of that in the NBA. There's no perfect method, and I don't claim to be qualified to identify BPA.

But then I see guys like Cole Anthony, Nico Mannion, Tyrese Maxey, Jaden McDaniels, Isaac Okoro and Josh Green projected to go so high, and I just don't understand it. I didn't understand it with Deandre Hunter, RJ Barrett, Cam Reddish or Darius Garland last year. How can you project a guy to be a great NBA player if they're not yet even a great college player?

I don't think we need a 3 more than we need a 4 or a 5. Heck, I think we need a backup 2 so much that I wouldn't even think about drafting one, because they won't be able to play on day 1, and we NEED a guy who can back up Booker competently for sure. I just want to add a guy who I think can play. I think Tyler Bey can play, along with several other players who should be available where we pick. I just don't want one of these moonshots to pin to our bench or suffer for the next three years.

[bwgood77]

Mmmm... it's not necessarily that I think Bey is BPA. I just think you go for the guy who can play, regardless of position (with perhaps the exception of PG).

But I strongly caution against using those draft boards as indicators of a player's quality. Not only are they all over the place, but they're just so often wrong. Of course, it's not like the stats are always good indicators, either. It's complicated. Bey may be taken in the second round and end up a quality starter. But you know all this.

Sure, I've seen your favorites over the year, and know you really liked guys projected 10th-14th, etc, but also don't recall you liking a guy projected in the 2nd to take with a lotto pick. He could be a good player, and is kind of in the Cam mold, where he is an upper classmen who is not ranked particularly high, though Cam was projected to go higher. And it's not a very good draft, so I suppose an argument could be made with not a lot of separation between players, to take a guy at a position of need. I guess we just differ on whether or not a SF is our biggest need. I think it's probably last among our needs, unless we just want tons of wings to play 2-4. Of course if you think a guy is clearly BPA, then you take him, though I'm not sure I trust James Jones to do that with his two picks last year.

Sounds like you're making the case that we should just draft for need, since we couldn't even identify BPA (so why try?).

Bey reminds me in of Marion in the way he moves and in his statistical production. Marion was projected to go at the back of the lottery. Bey didn't do much against UA, as you pointed out. I just put a lot of stock in the eye test and the stats, and a lot less in where players are projected to fall in the draft. I acknowledge this isn't a perfect method: you miss on players like Donovan Mitchell, and Bam Adebayo if you're just looking at stats without context. I remember thinking Damion James would be solid from the 2010 draft, because of his rebounding and blocks, but he couldn't do none of that in the NBA. There's no perfect method, and I don't claim to be qualified to identify BPA.

But then I see guys like Cole Anthony, Nico Mannion, Tyrese Maxey, Jaden McDaniels, Isaac Okoro and Josh Green projected to go so high, and I just don't understand it. I didn't understand it with Deandre Hunter, RJ Barrett, Cam Reddish or Darius Garland last year. How can you project a guy to be a great NBA player if they're not yet even a great college player?

I don't think we need a 3 more than we need a 4 or a 5. Heck, I think we need a backup 2 so much that I wouldn't even think about drafting one, because they won't be able to play on day 1, and we NEED a guy who can back up Booker competently for sure. I just want to add a guy who I think can play. I think Tyler Bey can play, along with several other players who should be available where we pick. I just don't want one of these moonshots to pin to our bench or suffer for the next three years.

I agree with paragraph 3. I didn't like any of those guys either, though I liked Hunter ok and just thought Barrett might be too high (though at the same time there were not a lot of good options other than Clarke and maybe Culver after the top 2, 2 players we could have had).

Anyway, I am looking at projections because it's too early for me to research 4 months before the draft. So it's just mostly looking at the scouts and draft expert rankings, as at this point I trust them more than myself as long as the players are also putting up impressive numbers.

I haven't watched enough full games and obviously can't go off of highlight clips because of course those will always look good. He puts up a solid stat line, which is somewhat to be expected if we are looking at a junior....obviously his freshman year wasn't nearly as good. That's when you decide if freshman that probably have more upside are worth looking into or not..comparing their freshman #s to a guy like this and determine if they have the work ethic and iq.

He fits the profile of a guy James Jones would like other than maybe shooting. I know he's hit 18 3s over his 3 year career, and 13 of this year at a nice % but obviously it's all very low volume. But he's versatile and a great rebounder. If we really liked playing small and especially if we felt we were probably going to move Oubre because we don't think he's worth what he may want next summer, than it would make sense. If we were planning on keeping Oubre, I don't think it makes much sense, given that we have 3 SFs. I've just heard a lot more talk about him here than anywhere else, though I guess it's just you and Ghost.

I guess based on analysis his biggest issues are he can't really handle the ball or facilitate and may need to work on shooting, though he's 5-13 from NBA 3, so on very limited volume shooting a little ove 38%. Comp'd to Andre Roberson or a less athletic Marion. Or a poor man's Marion with a tad of Brandon Clarke.

[Bogyo]

So which games should I watch today? Especially in the early games, as I'm in europe.
Any team/player suggestion who might fall to us would be appreciated.

[ATTL]

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His offense does remind of Amare with a 3 point shot. I'm not sure about his defense and rebounding but I guess that makes him more like amare. He is comfortable with his dribble, can shoot the ball, good post game, spectacular on the fast break.

Questions:
Defense
Rebounding
Dominant due to age?

[ATTL]

So which games should I watch today? Especially in the early games, as I'm in europe.
Any team/player suggestion who might fall to us would be appreciated.

Auburn v kentucky
Okoro for auburn and maxey for kentucky are both projected lotto

DePaul vs butler
Paul reed on depaul is an interesting player

Michigan state vs Maryland
Jalen smith for maryland

Florida state vs Clemson
Devin vassel and Patrick Williams for Florida state

[jcsunsfan]

We need a starting pf, back up pg, and back up sg.

I am wondering if we need a sg more than a pg.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

We need a starting pf, back up pg, and back up sg.

I am wondering if we need a sg more than a pg.

Welcome aboard the train, baby. Hop in the cabin. It's roomy.

.... Though I must note. Carter seems to do better when paired with Rubio than Devin. He's essentially our backup 2, with Elie the backup 1. Sure would have been nice to have Marquese Chriss or Josh Jackson as an option off the bench... or De'Anthony Melton for that matter. Turned out, the correct answer was bird in your hand...

.... speaking of which, it was terribly ironic that last night, the last time Phoenix would see Brandon Knight at the end of that horrible deal we signed, the guys we dealt him for were out of the league, while he was bombing threes in our faces.

We never really did get off Knight's awful contract. It just shifted shapes and jerseys and grew more expensive.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I'm still really liking Toppin. He just seems like he could create a very effective duo alongside of Ayton.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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I'm still really liking Toppin. He just seems like he could create a very effective duo alongside of Ayton.

I've recently come around. Pretty sure we'd draft him #1 if we had the chance.

[SlovenianDragon]

Just read an article that didn't even have haliburton going in the first round. And just learned hes out for the season with a wrist injury. I think he will still go in the first though. What can we do draft day to get a late first and pick him up? unless there is a better late round option?

Also Unless we move up in the draft I don't think we sniff Toppin. I did the the draft sim a few times and we moved up to 3 a few times. Even then he could be drafted number 1 overall in this draft. And obviously the odds of us moving up are low. Id rule him out and look at other picks.

So who is the most realistic PF option in our draft range?

And would you guys still take Haliburton with our pick? If we cant find a way to get another pick?

[ATTL]

Just read an article that didn't even have haliburton going in the first round. And just learned hes out for the season with a wrist injury. I think he will still go in the first though. What can we do draft day to get a late first and pick him up? unless there is a better late round option?

Also Unless we move up in the draft I don't think we sniff Toppin. I did the the draft sim a few times and we moved up to 3 a few times. Even then he could be drafted number 1 overall in this draft. And obviously the odds of us moving up are low. Id rule him out and look at other picks.

So who is the most realistic PF option in our draft range?

And would you guys still take Haliburton with our pick? If we cant find a way to get another pick?

I doubt haliburton falls out of the top 10 unless some people really explode in the tournament.

So much can change between now and the draft. In our potential range Obi is the best prospect that fits most of our needs at the 4.

I would be happy with haliburton or obi with our pick.

[JDJ26]

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I'm still really liking Toppin. He just seems like he could create a very effective duo alongside of Ayton.

Well James Jones is drafting so who knows who is on his draft board.

[handsome salary]

Hope the Suns are looking at shooting guards.