2020 Preseason Speculation - Lineup battles underway

[BobbieL]

Collecting all players around the league, who are on their last legs. Great plan after sucking for 10 years to build a young and promising team.

If they bring a bunch of old players on 1-2 year contracts, then Ayton better turn into a superstar as Booker is definitely out in two seasons.

We already have Booker, Cam, Bridges, Ayton and (hopefully) #10. Then we have Lecque, Jerome, etc...

Those are 5 core players that are 24 yo or younger. You need to balance your core players adding nice veteran players to win night in and night out in this league.

Just look the average age for the last two Champs, Raptors and Lakers.

But this is why I want to keep Rubio and Oubre and Cam and the 10th and use free agency to augment the roster with a couple of more veterans that will help the team grow and win.

Its reported Booker wants CP3. The Front Office just needs to show Booker the vision of what they are going to do with the money. Winning cures all. If you subtract too much, the value of Paul to me is lessened.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'm going to wait to freak out until I see something from Woj. Now I like Cam so wouldn't want him in the deal, I'd rather trade 10 because I know Cam can be a rotation player while 10 I'd hope that guy could.

Would trading Cam be the end of the world? No and it would depend what else they do after that to fill the rotation.

I'm not the type to question 'insiders' because **** I have no idea of their sources and honestly even if they are exaggerating I tend to say let them have their fun and their 15 minutes. But I have to admit when I start seeing them with minor details on a negotiation I get a little skeptical. Because having a source that knows a deal is close is one thing because ther are probably multiple people in the org with that info, but the nitty gritty of a negotiation is a whole other thing with far less people with actual knowledge of the finer points.

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[BobbieL]

I'm going to wait to freak out until I see something from Woj. Now I like Cam so wouldn't want him in the deal, I'd rather trade 10 because I know Cam can be a rotation player while 10 I'd hope that guy could.

Would trading Cam be the end of the world? No and it would depend what else they do after that to fill the rotation.

I'm not the type to question 'insiders' because **** I have no idea of their sources and honestly even if they are exaggerating I tend to say let them have their fun and their 15 minutes. But I have to admit when I start seeing them with minor details on a negotiation I get a little skeptical. Because having a source that knows a deal is close is one thing because ther are probably multiple people in the org with that info, but the nitty gritty of a negotiation is a whole other thing with far less people with actual knowledge of the finer points.

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Good points. I just don't like seeing those details because the owner of the team has done stupid things before. But who knows if Booker really wants CP3 on the team. I think Booker just wants to win.

I hope the deal falls through

[alamin330]

I think some of you low-key enjoy the rebuild process more than being contenders. I’ve seen people mention Riller as PG of the future. Some of you want to add multiple 1st rd picks in a weak draft.
Some want guys like Wood as our starting 4.

Come on y’all. These are D- league players. Riller and Wood are d league superstars.

There’s no logical sense in trading with Boston and adding 3 young players to the one of youngest teams in the league last year, when your lone star is getting irritated with the losing.

How many prospects do you want on 1 team. Geesh.

Devin Vassel to me is the only future superstar in this draft and maybe Okongwu and maybe edwards. If he’s not there at 10 that pick is expendable. Throw it in the CP3 trade, get back the 25 for all you rebuilding fiends out there so you can get one of those career role players you’re salivating over.

If Cam is included, he can be replaced by a much better Gallinari.

Cp3, Booker, mikal, gallinari, ayton is a championship contender. Some of you seem to prefer unknowns to a sure thing.

[BobbieL]

I think some of you low-key enjoy the rebuild process more than being contenders. I’ve seen people mention Riller as PG of the future. Some of you want to add multiple 1st rd picks in a weak draft.
Some want guys like Wood as our starting 4.

Come on y’all. These are D- league players. Riller and Wood are d league superstars.

There’s no logical sense in trading with Boston and adding 3 young players to the one of youngest teams in the league last year, when your lone star is getting irritated with the losing.

How many prospects do you want on 1 team. Geesh.

Devin Vassel to me is the only future superstar in this draft and maybe Okongwu and maybe edwards. If he’s not there at 10 that pick is expendable. Throw it in the CP3 trade, get back the 25 for all you rebuilding fiends out there so you can get one of those career role players you’re salivating over.

If Cam is included, he can be replaced by a much better Gallinari.

Cp3, Booker, mikal, gallinari, ayton is a championship contender. Some of you seem to prefer unknowns to a sure thing.

I am good with Oubre, Rubio, Jerome (or Cam Payne), 10 for CP3 and 25 and you can get Gallo here. NOt Bertans or Ibaka, Gallo

I am not good with Cam and 10 thats for sure.

[alamin330]

The key to perennial playoff appearances and being a team that’s respected and a free agent destination is to play good basketball. Do you see what the Heat and Spurs do? They always play good basketball. They let other teams draft prospects and develop them and when they become upset with the losing or free agents they sweep right in with a trade or sign them. It’s not rocket science. Losing keeps good players away. Winning attracts winners. If suns keep hoping to win the lottery with all prospects, it’ll never work. Well have a revolving door of great young players who want out once they reach their full potential cuz all we do is draft guys like Riller and salivate over former D league superstars like Christian Wood. The same guy who was released from a team in China. If you’re an American player and you’re waived from a Chinese team you’re complete trash

[WeekapaugGroove]

My take on the Booker aspect of this. I've been one to downplay that in the past because frankly with the length of his deal he didn't have leverage, and at 4 years he really still doesn't. Plus before last year he wasn't actually accomplished or good enough to have that leverage. BUT every year that changes, when he hits the two years left point he absolutely will have the leverage to make things uncomfortable. So the next two years are important. Now the **** secret of star players playing GM is if they get it wrong they still end up leaving.

The main reason I like the potential Paul deal is I truly think it's a wonderful basketball fit. A three man game with booker Ayton and Paul with shooting around them would be a thing of beauty that could succeed against good teams. Plus no small issue is they HAVE to understand what they really have in Ayton and I think Paul helps with that. This is an important season for Deandre because he's extension eligible next summer and if there's any doubt after this year they might have to quietly explore trades.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Is there a way this deal gets done with two separate trades? Rubio, cam and future picks going to OKC, oubre to somewhere like GS? Oubre and 10 for number 2?

I read rumblings of ATL wanting Oubre and were possibly willing to straight up absorb him with their capspace and they would be willing to move back from #6 to #10. Now that was mostly from rumors of the Hawks wanting an established player and willing to move back to get one and fansites talking about how Oubre would be a great fit team wise, age wise, and stuff like that. Thats probably the best offer i have really seen put out there for Oubre. But we would still need to find a 3rd team for the OKC deal to take Rubio and send an appropriate expiring (Since new info on the LAL deal shows they are now picky about their expiring's). Really wish we could just approach ORL and them accept Rubio for Fournier and their #15 pick (Which both of those could go to OKC). That would cover the expiring and the compensation (The #15 Pick), allowing us to keep Cam and also adding the #6 pick to our squad. And to top it off since im a dick i would also ask for one of OKC's late firsts as a F.U to Presti for making this such a hassle.

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[Barkley6]

I think some of you low-key enjoy the rebuild process more than being contenders. I’ve seen people mention Riller as PG of the future. Some of you want to add multiple 1st rd picks in a weak draft.
Some want guys like Wood as our starting 4.

Come on y’all. These are D- league players. Riller and Wood are d league superstars.

There’s no logical sense in trading with Boston and adding 3 young players to the one of youngest teams in the league last year, when your lone star is getting irritated with the losing.

How many prospects do you want on 1 team. Geesh.

Devin Vassel to me is the only future superstar in this draft and maybe Okongwu and maybe edwards. If he’s not there at 10 that pick is expendable. Throw it in the CP3 trade, get back the 25 for all you rebuilding fiends out there so you can get one of those career role players you’re salivating over.

If Cam is included, he can be replaced by a much better Gallinari.

Cp3, Booker, mikal, gallinari, ayton is a championship contender. Some of you seem to prefer unknowns to a sure thing.

Here's the issue:
Does CP3 make us better for 1 season? Probably. 2 seasons? Maybe.

But, are we potentially enriching OKC by including good young talent that can genuinely help their franchise in the future? Let me tell you, I'd hate to see OKC take our pieces and make a contender out of it for a few years in exchange for us getting the 5 seed and losing in the second round and then CP3 retires.

The other factor is league credibility. If it looks like Booker is the GM and calling the shots, that's fine if we are winning. But lets say the CP3 thing DOESN'T pan out. Well, we burned a bridge with Rubio. We put the moves on him last offseason, made a commitment to him, he came in, did everything right, played great basketball and then got shipped off after a season. If I'm a potential free agent signing, that doesn't sit right with me because I can come in and play great, but if I'm not Book's favorite.....I could be gone? Nah. I'll pass.

Unless you have LeBron level star power and win record that model doesn't work.

I'd rather run it back with a few minor tweaks, and lay the foundation for a 5 year championship window (a la the Nash years) then try to make a cinderella run with an aging and declining CP3.

The point is, we don't truly know what we have because we haven't been fully healthy with this roster yet. Why would we blow it up before we know?

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Well, see ya later, Cam

[BobbieL]

Is there a way this deal gets done with two separate trades? Rubio, cam and future picks going to OKC, oubre to somewhere like GS? Oubre and 10 for number 2?

I read rumblings of ATL wanting Oubre and were possibly willing to straight up absorb him with their capspace and they would be willing to move back from #6 to #10. Now that was mostly from rumors of the Hawks wanting an established player and willing to move back to get one and fansites talking about how Oubre would be a great fit team wise, age wise, and stuff like that. Thats probably the best offer i have really seen put out there for Oubre. But we would still need to find a 3rd team for the OKC deal to take Rubio and send an appropriate expiring (Since new info on the LAL deal shows they are now picky about their expiring's). Really wish we could just approach ORL and them accept Rubio for Fournier and their #15 pick (Which both of those could go to OKC). That would cover the expiring and the compensation (The #15 Pick), allowing us to keep Cam and also adding the #6 pick to our squad. And to top it off since im a dick i would also ask for one of OKC's late firsts as a F.U to Presti for making this such a hassle.

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I think Jerome or Payne would probably need to go but I think this is a pretty good trade for all four teams. The Magic get their PG; Atlanta gets Oubre, Suns get CP3 and OKC gets a clean cap in 2021 with Green, Adams and Fournier off the books.

[alamin330]

I think some of you low-key enjoy the rebuild process more than being contenders. I’ve seen people mention Riller as PG of the future. Some of you want to add multiple 1st rd picks in a weak draft.
Some want guys like Wood as our starting 4.

Come on y’all. These are D- league players. Riller and Wood are d league superstars.

There’s no logical sense in trading with Boston and adding 3 young players to the one of youngest teams in the league last year, when your lone star is getting irritated with the losing.

How many prospects do you want on 1 team. Geesh.

Devin Vassel to me is the only future superstar in this draft and maybe Okongwu and maybe edwards. If he’s not there at 10 that pick is expendable. Throw it in the CP3 trade, get back the 25 for all you rebuilding fiends out there so you can get one of those career role players you’re salivating over.

If Cam is included, he can be replaced by a much better Gallinari.

Cp3, Booker, mikal, gallinari, ayton is a championship contender. Some of you seem to prefer unknowns to a sure thing.

Here's the issue:
Does CP3 make us better for 1 season? Probably. 2 seasons? Maybe.

But, are we potentially enriching OKC by including good young talent that can genuinely help their franchise in the future? Let me tell you, I'd hate to see OKC take our pieces and make a contender out of it for a few years in exchange for us getting the 5 seed and losing in the second round and then CP3 retires.

The other factor is league credibility. If it looks like Booker is the GM and calling the shots, that's fine if we are winning. But lets say the CP3 thing DOESN'T pan out. Well, we burned a bridge with Rubio. We put the moves on him last offseason, made a commitment to him, he came in, did everything right, played great basketball and then got shipped off after a season. If I'm a potential free agent signing, that doesn't sit right with me because I can come in and play great, but if I'm not Book's favorite.....I could be gone? Nah. I'll pass.

Unless you have LeBron level star power and win record that model doesn't work.

I'd rather run it back with a few minor tweaks, and lay the foundation for a 5 year championship window (a la the Nash years) then try to make a cinderella run with an aging and declining CP3.

The point is, we don't truly know what we have because we haven't been fully healthy with this roster yet. Why would we blow it up before we know?

This I agree with. But I don’t think Book is making decisions like that but just giving his 2 cents. You have to listen to your best employee. At the end of the day as GM you’ll do what you gotta do to save your job. But part of being a great manager is listening to your longest tenured and best employees. Not letting Booker have a say is not the right approach.

I don’t mind running it back with the same team but Chris Paul is better than Rubio. Oubre is expiring and expensive and redundant with Mikal, cam.
I think OKC wants expirings or rookie contracts or a lottery pick. I believe that’s the only hold up. Oubre probably telling his agent he doesn’t want to go to OKC and won’t resign and suns refusing to add the 10 or Cam. Other than that we have nothing OKC would want.

I know I’d give up Cam if Dort is added to the trade

[sunsbg]

Collecting all players around the league, who are on their last legs. Great plan after sucking for 10 years to build a young and promising team.

If they bring a bunch of old players on 1-2 year contracts, then Ayton better turn into a superstar as Booker is definitely out in two seasons.

We already have Booker, Cam, Bridges, Ayton and (hopefully) #10. Then we have Lecque, Jerome, etc...

Those are 5 core players that are 24 yo or younger. You need to balance your core players adding nice veteran players to win night in and night out in this league.

Just look the average age for the last two Champs, Raptors and Lakers.

5 ? My post was in reaction to Cam being shopped, no idea is it's true, maybe not. #10 ( ), Lecque( ), Jerome( ) core players ? I don't think Bridges has an upside of a star player, more like high end role player, so that leaves Ayton for me, who may turn into a star player, superstar - very unlikely. Usually the veteran players on the contending teams are the cheapest, not the most expensive players.

[El Hespiritu]

If I'm not confused with time-lag USA-Europe, one hour left to unleash the havoc.

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How many pages will be fullfilled in the next twelve hours?

My bet is this thread gets 100 pages so easily as Flex calculates % percentages of trade success.

[Revived]

KCP is a bum. Lebron made his career and he’s a douche off the court as well.

Really hope James Jones isn’t stupid enough to even express any interest in guys like him and rather this is just agents blowing smoke.

[mr570]

Why are Suns fans so adamant about not trading 10? It's a weak draft. If all you lose is Oubre (Rubio old and never been a superstar) that's a deal worth making for an All Star.

[WeekapaugGroove]

KCP is a bum. Lebron made his career and he’s a douche off the court as well.

Really hope James Jones isn’t stupid enough to even express any interest in guys like him and rather this is just agents blowing smoke.

Yeah I can't see them having interest in KCP. Now I will admit he had a better playoff run than I thought he had in him.

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[BobbieL]

Why are Suns fans so adamant about not trading 10? It's a weak draft. If all you lose is Oubre (Rubio old and never been a superstar) that's a deal worth making for an All Star.

For me, its value. I think for CP3 at his age and contract, Rubio, Oubre and Jerome is value for OKC . Now if you want to flop 10 for 25 or 28, save some cap space and still get a player on a rookie deal, I probably would be somewhat okay with that. As that 2+m of cap space combined with Jerome might be very beneficial in getting Gallinari here.

[Ghost of Kleine]

The key to perennial playoff appearances and being a team that’s respected and a free agent destination is to play good basketball. Do you see what the Heat and Spurs do? They always play good basketball. They let other teams draft prospects and develop them and when they become upset with the losing or free agents they sweep right in with a trade or sign them. It’s not rocket science. Losing keeps good players away. Winning attracts winners. If suns keep hoping to win the lottery with all prospects, it’ll never work. Well have a revolving door of great young players who want out once they reach their full potential cuz all we do is draft guys like Riller and salivate over former D league superstars like Christian Wood. The same guy who was released from a team in China. If you’re an American player and you’re waived from a Chinese team you’re complete trash

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